Philly pulled out of Okafor for Nets pick last minute

duke714 · Post #21 » by **duke714** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:08 pm

I voted no because you don't know where it will fall. In June if Boston has the second pick in the draft then Hinkie and company would have something to negotiate on

spikeslovechild · Post #22 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:14 pm

They'd have to offer basically all their first round picks for me to even consider it. I'm not trading Okafor for this years BYN pick when it has a 61% chance of falling 4-6.

I could be wrong but I think in Ainge mind the trade was much closer to going down then it ever was for the sixers. The fact they pulled out entirely rather then making a counter-offer should have told Ainge that.

spikeslovechild · Post #23 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:19 pm

Foshan wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:Danny can get back to us if the Net's pick is in the top 2.

See, this actually makes a lot more sense on draft day. We will be much closer to knowing how Embiid is. We'll know where our pick is, and if the Laker's pick conveys... and quite frankly I don't know taht all that much will have changed in the Celtic's position that they would not be willing to make the same deal then.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening right now the Nets have a less then 25% chance of their pick being top two.

Agnostifarian · Post #24 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:20 pm

Despite Okafor's warts, he has identifiable and proven NBA skills. If he gets traded, I would prefer that we receive the same back. I voted no.

Post #25 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:25 pm

duke714 wrote:I voted no because you don't know where it will fall. In June if Boston has the second pick in the draft then Hinkie and company would have something to negotiate on

Celtics fan here, I come in peace.

I think the deal was intriguing from our perspective because of its binary outcome; if it's top two, we lose, if it's 3 or later, we win (though I'd argue a Dunn for Okafor swap is mostly fair, I can understand why you'd disagree). The deal was obviously weighted 70-75% in being a Celtics win, pending the outcome of the lottery, but Hinkie is hunting for stars and would have him incredible odds at a top 2 pick.

Hinkie passed, which makes sense, but given the aforementioned binary results of the trade, I don't think it will be revisited post lottery, unless Philly wants to trade Okafor for Dunn.

Good luck the rest of the year-- hope your key guys stay healthy.

Post #26 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:35 pm

Currently the Nets' pick has a 24.5% chance of landing top 2. No...

Kobblehead · Post #27 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:39 pm

For my own sanity, I'm going to pretend that this never happened. This front office is really starting to piss me off.

ShirleyTemple · Post #28 » by **ShirleyTemple** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:42 pm

I refuse to believe that this deal was close. Okafor's value is higher than BKN pick and it's not even close to me.

Post #29 » by **Foshan** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:48 pm

I don't even consider this deal if it is not a top 2 pick. In fact I think Oakfor has more value than the 2nd pick and a little less than the first (although I actually think Oak is going to end up a better career than Simmons, but as the #1 he has crazy value in a trade)

I did a million sims on the tankathon page... landed one where it was:
1 Phi: Simmons
2 Bos: Ingram
3 not lA: Bender
4 Phi: Dunn

In that totally crazy situation, I'd totally consider an Oak for Ingram deal. not sure I'd take Dunn in that situation, but man, that'd be sick... kinda sad to think we'd still need a SG... maybe Murray instead.
Murray (points)/ Ingram (points) / Saric (ball handler) / Simmons (ball handler) / Noel (Embiid)

Okay, i've left reality. I'm going to bed.

theo42 · Post #30 » by **theo42** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:56 pm

No way in hell would i do this. Okafor has proven he can play the 4. He will only get better at it while in a lengthier audition, Noel has proven he cannot play the 4. Assuming Biid comes back, Noel becomes less effective if we play him at the 4.

If we would have traded another tangible assett for an uncertain lottery pick, I may have renounced my fandom.

This obsession with trading Oak is frustrating. The guy is not even through his rookie year and has shown tremendous growth and I believe he will be effective on defense as soon as next year. He is literally the only one on the team who commands a double and we are trying to trade him.

Pathetic.

XDevilBoiX · Post #31 » by **XDevilBoiX** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:20 pm

For the pick alone? No, in a package maybe yes. All depends on the package.

Unbreakable99 · Post #32 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:36 pm

No way I make that deal now. We have no idea where the pick will land. If it lands at 3 or 4 it wouldn't be worth it. If it lands at 2 we can still revisit it and see if we can trade Okafor.

76ciology · Post #33 » by **76ciology** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:53 pm

I'd take my chances with trading Jah (plus a pick or two depending on end of season value of Jah) for Ingram or Simmons on draft day than hoping that Nets pick would land 2nd overall.

I really think Celts are in a bad place with the Nets pick. The Suns is solidifying the third worst position. Nets will see some improvement with their new GM this season or the upcoming season(s).

rzzzzz · Post #34 » by **rzzzzz** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:59 pm

naturally Ainge would have wanted him for this year's playoff run. But, he's definitely going to follow up again this summer. so Sam gets to wait and see exactly where that pick falls. or better yet, what goes down on draft night. hate to trade OK4 within the division, but if Embiid is looking solid this June and the right talent, and package, is available, who knows?

Kobblehead · Post #35 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:09 pm

You guys overrate the hell out of Okafor. When Embiid and Saric come over next year and Okafor gets phased out of focus, that Brooklyn pick is going to look like a dream return for him. We should have sold high on him. It was stupid to turn down this offer.

jbent87 · Post #36 » by **jbent87** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:09 pm

Anyone understand how trades work? They involve risk. If the Celtics get the 1st/2nd overall pick in the draft this June via this BKN pick, then this offer is off the table. This trade would have increased our chances at Ben Simmons having most likely 2 picks in the top 4. Isn't the name of the game getting superstars? Unless you truly believe Okafor can become a superstar why wouldn't you want to use him to get one?

At some point, Nerlens or Okafor are gonna get traded to open up space for the golden goose. Whether they're traded while their value is high (see MCW) or for pennies on the dollar remains to be seen. But this offer was pretty good value, IMO.

ShirleyTemple · Post #37 » by **ShirleyTemple** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:17 pm

Kobblehead wrote:You guys overrate the hell out of Okafor. When Embiid and Saric come over next year and Okafor gets phased out of focus, that Brooklyn pick is going to look like a dream return for him. We should have sold high on him. It was stupid to turn down this offer.

Trade deadline simply wasn't the right time to trade Okafor.

We don't know where BKN pick lands and from this point it's unlikely that it will be top 2. 3rd pick is not enough for Okafor.
Also, Okafor has to play 25 (or so) more games. His value is only going up. Patience.

Post #38 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:25 pm

jbent87 wrote:Anyone understand how trades work? They involve risk. If the Celtics get the 1st/2nd overall pick in the draft this June via this BKN pick, then this offer is off the table. This trade would have increased our chances at Ben Simmons having most likely 2 picks in the top 4. Isn't the name of the game getting superstars? Unless you truly believe Okafor can become a superstar why wouldn't you want to use him to get one?

At some point, Nerlens or Okafor are gonna get traded to open up space for the golden goose. Whether they're traded while their value is high (see MCW) or for pennies on the dollar remains to be seen. But this offer was pretty good value, IMO.

Well, this is risk assessment, then. 24.5% chance at a top 2 pick, 52.3% 5th or worse and that's with the Wolves within 2 games of them. If Minny were to surpass Brooklyn then 18.5% top 2, 70.9% 5th or worse. Regardless, these are marginal improvements to the percentages already in hand without the expense of Okafor.

kriss73 · Post #39 » by **kriss73** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:32 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:
jbent87 wrote:Anyone understand how trades work? They involve risk. If the Celtics get the 1st/2nd overall pick in the draft this June via this BKN pick, then this offer is off the table. This trade would have increased our chances at Ben Simmons having most likely 2 picks in the top 4. Isn't the name of the game getting superstars? Unless you truly believe Okafor can become a superstar why wouldn't you want to use him to get one?

At some point, Nerlens or Okafor are gonna get traded to open up space for the golden goose. Whether they're traded while their value is high (see MCW) or for pennies on the dollar remains to be seen. But this offer was pretty good value, IMO.

Well, this is risk assessment. 24.5% chance at a top 2 pick, 52.3% 5th or worse and that's with the Wolves within 2 games of them. If Minny were to surpass Brooklyn then 18.5% top 2, 70.9% 5th or worse. These are marginal improvements to the percentages already in hand without the expense of Okafor.

Agree.
The GM that was trying to sell his asset at the peak, was Ainge.

spikeslovechild · Post #40 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:33 pm

jbent87 wrote:Anyone understand how trades work? They involve risk. If the Celtics get the 1st/2nd overall pick in the draft this June via this BKN pick, then this offer is off the table. This trade would have increased our chances at Ben Simmons having most likely 2 picks in the top 4. Isn't the name of the game getting superstars? Unless you truly believe Okafor can become a superstar why wouldn't you want to use him to get one?

At some point, Nerlens or Okafor are gonna get traded to open up space for the golden goose. Whether they're traded while their value is high (see MCW) or for pennies on the dollar remains to be seen. But this offer was pretty good value, IMO.

The golden goose may or may not ever play. Ask the LAL how it works out trying to get too cute. Russell looks to be worst of the top four picks and the guy they brought in Hibbert had 2 points and 6 rebounds last night.

Whether Okafor ends up a superstar or not is debatable. I think he will. He's 19 and has the physical tools to correct his flaws but regardless of all this it was awful value for Okafor who was a top 4 pick last year and is easily better then anyone top 2 this year who the BYN have a less then 25% of selecting. This would have been a backwards move which is fine in certain cases like the Jrue trade where Hinkie got tremendous value but to move backwards and LIKELY end up WORSE in the longterm it's unforgivable really.

Would you do Okafor for the Nets pick