If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most?

Kobblehead · Post #21 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 31, 2016 2:30 pm

I'm not entirely positive that Jamal Murray is all that different from Nik Stauskas. Maybe he'll be a better basketball player sooner, but their strengths and weaknesses are pretty much identical.

I still think having two-way basketball players is more key to winning in this league than anything else. Kris Dunn is a major piece towards building a contending team, IMO.

phiphan · Post #22 » by **phiphan** » Tue May 31, 2016 2:32 pm

Murray will be a huge negative on defense. My head says Dunn at #3, but my heart says Bender.

Kobblehead · Post #23 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 31, 2016 2:58 pm

All-out defense:
Dunn
Grant
Simmons
Noel
Embiid

Transition Nightmare:
McConnell
Dunn
Grant
Simmons
Noel

All-out offense:
Dunn
Stauskas
Covington / Thompson
Saric
Simmons

Balanced Attack:
Dunn
Stauskas
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

I don't think it will be that hard building versatile, compatible line-ups around Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn.

Ericb5 · Post #24 » by **Ericb5** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:29 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I'm not entirely positive that Jamal Murray is all that different from Nik Stauskas. Maybe he'll be a better basketball player sooner, but their strengths and weaknesses are pretty much identical.

I still think having two-way basketball players is more key to winning in this league than anything else. Kris Dunn is a major piece towards building a contending team, IMO.

I agree with you about Murray in the sense that Stauskus is similar, but I think that comparison really shows how disappointing Stauskus has been in the pros more so than it says anything about Murray.

Stauskus should be a much better player than he has been. Murray and Stauskus probably have similar ceilings. Stauskus is unfortunately stuck in his basement, but Murray doesn't have to be down there with him.

I think that Dunn is definitely a better prospect than both of them though.

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roma258 · Post #25 » by **roma258** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:40 pm

76ciology wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I know there is a similar topic about whether or not people want Okafor traded at all, but I was curious who the fan base was more excited about as far as a prospect goes with that pick. If mods don't want this thread, go ahead and lock.

It seems the talk is Dunn, but if I was a Philly fan and going for Simmons I would probably opt for Murray.

Murray and I'll let him play PG.

Murray can make his teammates better with the ball thru assists. Without the ball, he can space the floor for his teammates to operate. Defense it not that required at the PG position. Murray, like modern NBA players, are plug and play.

If it's Simmons, it's gotta be Murray. You need shooters in the NBA, Simmons is your crazy mega star ballhandler, so Murray becomes your secondary ballhandler/distributor/spacer. If it's Ingram, you take Dunn for ball handling and crazy good defense.

NJ SixerFan · Post #26 » by **NJ SixerFan** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:47 pm

Kobblehead wrote:All-out defense:
Dunn
Grant
Simmons
Noel
Embiid

Transition Nightmare:
McConnell
Dunn
Grant
Simmons
Noel

All-out offense:
Dunn
Stauskas
Covington / Thompson
Saric
Simmons

Balanced Attack:
Dunn
Stauskas
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

I don't think it will be that hard building versatile, compatible line-ups around Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn.

I like Dunn over Murray with Simmons if and only if stauskas finally dials in from the 3pt line. Feel the biggest hold on stauskas game is confidence. He also could be one of those players that needs a little time to transition. Maybe year 3 is his year.

Kobblehead · Post #27 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:58 pm

I think Stauskas will be better now that we're moving away from Darryl Morey and Sam Hinkie's anti mid-range philosophy. The best way to build confidence as a shooter is to drain a couple from mid-range to get in rhythm.

Mik317 · Post #28 » by **Mik317** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:13 pm

I doubt Simmons dominates the ball as much as many think...especially in the half court. At least as a off ball creator. I see him replacing Noel as the top of the key passer to cutters and open shooters. We will then still need a guy who can get into the paint to wreck havoc...which is Dunn.

Most teams have two ballhandlers...you kinda need two. Lebron and Kryie (and Wade before that). Curry and Green. Westbrook and Durant (when Westbrook allows it lol). That was one of our biggest issues last year too. Both aren't the optimal fit for sure...but if the whole point of taking Simmons is BPA BPA BPA...then the same should be the case at 3, no?

Kobblehead · Post #29 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:27 pm

Mik317 wrote:I doubt Simmons dominates the ball as much as many think...especially in the half court. At least as a off ball creator. I see him replacing Noel as the top of the key passer to cutters and open shooters. We will then still need a guy who can get into the paint to wreck havoc...which is Dunn.

Most teams have two ballhandlers...you kinda need two. Lebron and Kryie (and Wade before that). Curry and Green. Westbrook and Durant (when Westbrook allows it lol). That was one of our biggest issues last year too. Both aren't the optimal fit for sure...but if the whole point of taking Simmons is BPA BPA BPA...then the same should be the case at 3, no?

That's pretty much his game, though. He begins sets along the perimeter as the primary ball handler and he either slashes to the bucket to score or kicks to an open shooter. That's why I keep saying he's a wing, above all else. You won't see him in the high post or low post with his eyes looking out to the perimeter all that often. He'll be on the perimeter facing the bucket.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZozP97PwwE[/youtube]

The SF/PF thing is kind of confusing in terms of trying to peg down what he is, but he's very much a perimeter player.

Sundown · Post #30 » by **Sundown** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:34 pm

I agree Kobble -- I feel like he's primarily a perimeter player on offense. And he'll need the ball in his hands, so I don't love Dunn as compliment. Simmons should stir the drink offensively. The question is what can he defend? That's what will define him from a position standpoint.

Kobblehead · Post #31 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:40 pm

I think he guards every stretch four and any standard athlete at wing that doesn't have plus quickness.

Mik317 · Post #32 » by **Mik317** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:41 pm

touche

Post #33 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue May 31, 2016 7:36 pm

I would want Bender. I wouldn't mind Dunn, I don't like Murray.

SelfishPlayer · Post #34 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Tue May 31, 2016 8:01 pm

Players need to play to develop. BPA reaches a limit, and I think the Sixers are over that limit at the C/PF positions if they select Simmons and trade away Okafor. With NFL teams, if they select a QB #1 overall, they will not select another QB even if they have the #1 pick the following season and a QB is truly BPA. Developmental playing time is necessary to even know what you have in these players. It's getting like when the Washington Bullets had Webber, R.Wallace, and Howard, but the Sixers have total trash at the guard positions. Sometimes you can have so many highly drafted players at a position that you can have a young talented one on the bench that you are overlooking that sneaks out in a trade and produces well for another organization like Ben Wallace. The Sixers front court situation may be mirroring the Bullets of the 90's. Who knows, with playing time maybe Richaun Holmes will some day evolve into the best of the lot. There is clearly plenty of developmental time available at guard with that trash the franchise is rolling out.

phillthy13 · Post #35 » by **phillthy13** » Tue May 31, 2016 8:09 pm

Dunn and Simmons can jump into the league tomorrow , Murray/Ingram both are projects I'm not sure BC wants any part of at this point. I don't see why we can't just add shooters to a Dunn, Simmons, Noel/Embiid lineup. Stauskas and Roco have yet to play their natural shooter position. Add 2 playmakers and an attention getting big to the equation, and I think they both shine BUT are not the answer by any stretch for the team's shooting issue.

Unbreakable99 · Post #36 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue May 31, 2016 9:06 pm

Speaking of Dunn

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pro-day--kris-dunn--jakob-poeltl-171704752.html

The performances
Group 1: Due to the nature of the workout, with non-draft eligible players mixing with draft-eligibles, NBA teams were not allowed to observe because of league rules. Still, there's little question that Dunn and Poeltl are benefiting from the opportunity to test themselves against NBA starters, which should help make their transition to the NBA game easier.

Dunn, at 6-foot-4, showed he can step into an NBA game and have a positive impact on the defensive end. He’s likely the best on-the-ball defender in this draft and can check both guard spots. He played with a mean streak in one-on-one and two-on-two competition and proved that he’s not a non-shooter. Payton matched his intensity and didn't give Dunn an inch on either end of the floor, which made for an extremely competitive workout. Payton's body and shooting stroke look to be making strides, and at 22 years old his future with the Magic is still promising.

roma258 · Post #37 » by **roma258** » Tue May 31, 2016 9:23 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Players need to play to develop. BPA reaches a limit, and I think the Sixers are over that limit at the C/PF positions if they select Simmons and trade away Okafor. With NFL teams, if they select a QB #1 overall, they will not select another QB even if they have the #1 pick the following season and a QB is truly BPA. Developmental playing time is necessary to even know what you have in these players. It's getting like when the Washington Bullets had Webber, R.Wallace, and Howard, but the Sixers have total trash at the guard positions. Sometimes you can have so many highly drafted players at a position that you can have a young talented one on the bench that you are overlooking that sneaks out in a trade and produces well for another organization like Ben Wallace. The Sixers front court situation may be mirroring the Bullets of the 90's. Who knows, with playing time maybe Richaun Holmes will some day evolve into the best of the lot. There is clearly plenty of developmental time available at guard with that trash the franchise is rolling out.

And we're completely forgetting about Dario Saric who screams elite role player given the opportunity.

Negrodamus · Post #38 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue May 31, 2016 9:32 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Speaking of Dunn

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pro-day--kris-dunn--jakob-poeltl-171704752.html
The performances
Group 1: Due to the nature of the workout, with non-draft eligible players mixing with draft-eligibles, NBA teams were not allowed to observe because of league rules. Still, there's little question that Dunn and Poeltl are benefiting from the opportunity to test themselves against NBA starters, which should help make their transition to the NBA game easier.

Dunn, at 6-foot-4, showed he can step into an NBA game and have a positive impact on the defensive end. He’s likely the best on-the-ball defender in this draft and can check both guard spots. He played with a mean streak in one-on-one and two-on-two competition and proved that he’s not a non-shooter. Payton matched his intensity and didn't give Dunn an inch on either end of the floor, which made for an extremely competitive workout. Payton's body and shooting stroke look to be making strides, and at 22 years old his future with the Magic is still promising.

Dunn's face looks like a young Shannon Sharpe.

Post #39 » by **sixers hoops** » Tue May 31, 2016 9:33 pm

phillthy13 wrote:Dunn and Simmons can jump into the league tomorrow , Murray/Ingram both are projects I'm not sure BC wants any part of at this point. I don't see why we can't just add shooters to a Dunn, Simmons, Noel/Embiid lineup. Stauskas and Roco have yet to play their natural shooter position. Add 2 playmakers and an attention getting big to the equation, and I think they both shine BUT are not the answer by any stretch for the team's shooting issue.

I agree. We can try to put Stauskas and RoCo in a position to have a good seasons. They are both good outside shooters if they can put together good seasons. Even use a little canaan and Hollis to spread the floor off the bench. Meanwhile, you hope Simmons and Dunn improve as shooters.

Ericb5 · Post #40 » by **Ericb5** » Tue May 31, 2016 10:28 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Speaking of Dunn

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pro-day--kris-dunn--jakob-poeltl-171704752.html
The performances
Group 1: Due to the nature of the workout, with non-draft eligible players mixing with draft-eligibles, NBA teams were not allowed to observe because of league rules. Still, there's little question that Dunn and Poeltl are benefiting from the opportunity to test themselves against NBA starters, which should help make their transition to the NBA game easier.

Dunn, at 6-foot-4, showed he can step into an NBA game and have a positive impact on the defensive end. He’s likely the best on-the-ball defender in this draft and can check both guard spots. He played with a mean streak in one-on-one and two-on-two competition and proved that he’s not a non-shooter. Payton matched his intensity and didn't give Dunn an inch on either end of the floor, which made for an extremely competitive workout. Payton's body and shooting stroke look to be making strides, and at 22 years old his future with the Magic is still promising.

Dunn's face looks like a young Shannon Sharpe.

Good call on that one. I couldn't figure out who he reminded me of.

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Who would you take at 3 if the pick is obtained?