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Post#21 » by Ericb5 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:56 pm

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oyoyer wrote:It's time to replace the medical staff IMO. They were great for tanking. They are not so good for trying to develop a team.

Good news in all of this is that Bryan will have a good excuse for firing Brett at the end of the year. I'm convinced he isn't helping anything, even though it's not his fault no one seems able to get him a PG.


This is ridiculous. The Sixers have one of the best medical staffs in the league.

Look what they did with Noel and Embiid. They are absolutely on the cutting edge with the sports science too.

Before we start calling for them to be fired shouldn't we point to a single mistake that they have made?

There is no evidence whatsoever that they are doing anything wrong with Okafor.

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I googled Hinkie changes Sixers medical staff. Didn't find anything. So unless I'm forgetting something, which I admit is possible... this is the same med staff that cleared the Bynum trade, yes?

Also, why do they constantly have multiple injured guys? I'm not necessarily saying they're doing anything wrong, rather, they're not doing enough right.

If Embiid has no relapses and makes it through the year, then you can point to that as proof they are good.


Dr. Martin runs the whole thing and he was a Hinkie hire, and Hinkie hired several other prominent people.

It is one of the best things that Hinkie did around here.


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Post#22 » by the_process » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:01 pm

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This is ridiculous. The Sixers have one of the best medical staffs in the league.

Look what they did with Noel and Embiid. They are absolutely on the cutting edge with the sports science too.

Before we start calling for them to be fired shouldn't we point to a single mistake that they have made?

There is no evidence whatsoever that they are doing anything wrong with Okafor.

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I googled Hinkie changes Sixers medical staff. Didn't find anything. So unless I'm forgetting something, which I admit is possible... this is the same med staff that cleared the Bynum trade, yes?

Also, why do they constantly have multiple injured guys? I'm not necessarily saying they're doing anything wrong, rather, they're not doing enough right.

If Embiid has no relapses and makes it through the year, then you can point to that as proof they are good.


Dr. Martin runs the whole thing and he was a Hinkie hire, and Hinkie hired several other prominent people.

It is one of the best things that Hinkie did around here.


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Dr. Martin is in charge of the sports sciences. I'm talking about the medical staff, the team doctors, the head physician.
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Post#23 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:03 pm

Maybe the Sixers just have the worst luck in the NBA. But I tend not to blatantly write things off as bad luck and look at a more explainable and logical approach. The Sixers have just had too many injuries and too many of them have lingered way longer than usual. I don't know if it's the medical staff, the nutritionists, or any combination of anyone in this organization responsible for monitoring and keeping the players healthy, but something has to give.

And if Simmons ends up missing way longer than expected, then I would clean house. If nothing else, just to change something in this organization with people responsible for keeping the players healthy. Embiid re-broken foot, Okafor's like a million months behind the original 6 week schedule, Noel, Bayless, Simmons. It's just too much. Sorry.

I mean, if a dude gets in 10 car accidents in one year, maybe he's just really unlucky and every one wasn't his fault. But the most probable explanation is the guy is just a bad driver.
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Post#24 » by Sixerscan » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:23 pm

Pretty huge waste of time trying to decipher which injuries can be attributed to inadequacy of the training staff versus guys being injury prone versus dumb luck etc.

That being said, the least likely of those factors actually being the cause is a billion dollar professional sports franchise not being able to find a good training staff.
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Post#25 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:25 pm

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Seems like Noel is holding out for a trade.


No he's not. Did you see the video of him? He's hurt. He isn't moving well. This narrative needs to end.
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Post#26 » by Sixerscan » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:30 pm

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Seems like Noel is holding out for a trade.


No he's not. Did you see the video of him? He's hurt. He isn't moving well. This narrative needs to end.


Surely he's also asked for a trade. But he pretty clearly also does seem injured. Which makes it harder to trade him. It would have been nice to showcase him while Okafor was out and Embiid was only playing 12 minutes. Not going to be a lot of time left. If Embiid is really going to play 24 minutes to start the year and maybe start to play back to backs soon, there's not going to be enough time to regularly play both okafor and noel.
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Post#27 » by eagereyez » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:31 pm

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eagereyez wrote:
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Seems like Noel is holding out for a trade.


No he's not. Did you see the video of him? He's hurt. He isn't moving well. This narrative needs to end.

I have not seen the video. Can you link it?
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Post#28 » by Unbreakable99 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:35 pm

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Seems like Noel is holding out for a trade.


No he's not. Did you see the video of him? He's hurt. He isn't moving well. This narrative needs to end.

I have not seen the video. Can you link it?

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Post#29 » by XtremeDunkz » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:36 pm

The fact that there is a good chance we enter opening night without Simmons, Okafor, and Noel really takes away a lot of the excitement I had. When will we actually have our full roster, smfh.
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Post#30 » by eagereyez » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:37 pm

He's faking it.

All kidding aside, that sucks. It'll be even harder to trade him while he's recovering from injury.
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Post#31 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:39 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Pretty huge waste of time trying to decipher which injuries can be attributed to inadequacy of the training staff versus guys being injury prone versus dumb luck etc.

That being said, the least likely of those factors actually being the cause is a billion dollar professional sports franchise not being able to find a good training staff.


Justified or not, that's how it goes in sports. When teams get injuries to key players in abundance year after year after year, medical staffs are changed, strength and conditioning staffs are changed, sports science is added/altered, etc. Just the way it goes.

I mean, something needs to change, whether it is someone's fault or not. Maybe some organizations are superstitious and do it to just "change the karma" but it does happen. All I know is this can't continue. Our best players get hurt every single year. Maybe the Sixers have a great medical staff. And maybe trying another great medical staff will do them some good. It can't hurt, that's all I know? How could it. It's already rock bottom with injuries for us, can't go any lower. Maybe hiring Dr. Kevorkian could be worse, that's about it.
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Post#32 » by Ericb5 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:55 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Maybe the Sixers just have the worst luck in the NBA. But I tend not to blatantly write things off as bad luck and look at a more explainable and logical approach. The Sixers have just had too many injuries and too many of them have lingered way longer than usual. I don't know if it's the medical staff, the nutritionists, or any combination of anyone in this organization responsible for monitoring and keeping the players healthy, but something has to give.

And if Simmons ends up missing way longer than expected, then I would clean house. If nothing else, just to change something in this organization with people responsible for keeping the players healthy. Embiid re-broken foot, Okafor's like a million months behind the original 6 week schedule, Noel, Bayless, Simmons. It's just too much. Sorry.

I mean, if a dude gets in 10 car accidents in one year, maybe he's just really unlucky and every one wasn't his fault. But the most probable explanation is the guy is just a bad driver.


Embiid never rebroke his foot.

Also keeping players out longer was a strategic decision both in terms of tanking, and focusing only on the long term health.

Most teams try to balance long term health with short term ability to perform. Hence Durant coming back too early a few years ago from the Jones fracture which ultimately blew the whole year for him.

We don't know what is going on with Okafor right now, but beyond that situation, I just don't see this pattern of injuries that are out of step with other organizations.

I think the way that they handled Noel's rookie year, and Embiid's 2 year layoff were EXACTLY right. Those were the biggest tests that we have faced medically.


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Post#33 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:56 pm

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Seems like Noel is holding out for a trade.


Agreed. Good news is, Mahinmi just got hurt from WSH.


I'm a huge Otto Porter fan and think that sort of swap makes sense for both teams. Before I was hesitant because I believed Cov could be an average starter for this team, but he has regressed in some areas and not improved in others. Porter can slash, shoot, defend, and play off the ball, which are ideal qualities to have next to Simmons/Embiid.


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Post#34 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:20 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Maybe the Sixers just have the worst luck in the NBA. But I tend not to blatantly write things off as bad luck and look at a more explainable and logical approach. The Sixers have just had too many injuries and too many of them have lingered way longer than usual. I don't know if it's the medical staff, the nutritionists, or any combination of anyone in this organization responsible for monitoring and keeping the players healthy, but something has to give.

And if Simmons ends up missing way longer than expected, then I would clean house. If nothing else, just to change something in this organization with people responsible for keeping the players healthy. Embiid re-broken foot, Okafor's like a million months behind the original 6 week schedule, Noel, Bayless, Simmons. It's just too much. Sorry.

I mean, if a dude gets in 10 car accidents in one year, maybe he's just really unlucky and every one wasn't his fault. But the most probable explanation is the guy is just a bad driver.


Embiid never rebroke his foot.

Also keeping players out longer was a strategic decision both in terms of tanking, and focusing only on the long term health.

Most teams try to balance long term health with short term ability to perform. Hence Durant coming back too early a few years ago from the Jones fracture which ultimately blew the whole year for him.

We don't know what is going on with Okafor right now, but beyond that situation, I just don't see this pattern of injuries that are out of step with other organizations.

I think the way that they handled Noel's rookie year, and Embiid's 2 year layoff were EXACTLY right. Those were the biggest tests that we have faced medically.


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I don't think anyone truly knows what happened to Embiid. We've heard conflicting reports, and unless the doctor came out and said exactly what was wrong, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, the point doesn't change. We have players who haven't healed the way they were supposed to across the board. It's a lot more than just being cautious. There have been injury complications constantly.
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Post#35 » by Ericb5 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:27 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Maybe the Sixers just have the worst luck in the NBA. But I tend not to blatantly write things off as bad luck and look at a more explainable and logical approach. The Sixers have just had too many injuries and too many of them have lingered way longer than usual. I don't know if it's the medical staff, the nutritionists, or any combination of anyone in this organization responsible for monitoring and keeping the players healthy, but something has to give.

And if Simmons ends up missing way longer than expected, then I would clean house. If nothing else, just to change something in this organization with people responsible for keeping the players healthy. Embiid re-broken foot, Okafor's like a million months behind the original 6 week schedule, Noel, Bayless, Simmons. It's just too much. Sorry.

I mean, if a dude gets in 10 car accidents in one year, maybe he's just really unlucky and every one wasn't his fault. But the most probable explanation is the guy is just a bad driver.


Embiid never rebroke his foot.

Also keeping players out longer was a strategic decision both in terms of tanking, and focusing only on the long term health.

Most teams try to balance long term health with short term ability to perform. Hence Durant coming back too early a few years ago from the Jones fracture which ultimately blew the whole year for him.

We don't know what is going on with Okafor right now, but beyond that situation, I just don't see this pattern of injuries that are out of step with other organizations.

I think the way that they handled Noel's rookie year, and Embiid's 2 year layoff were EXACTLY right. Those were the biggest tests that we have faced medically.


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I don't think anyone truly knows what happened to Embiid. We've heard conflicting reports, and unless the doctor came out and said exactly what was wrong, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, the point doesn't change. We have players who haven't healed the way they were supposed to across the board. It's a lot more than just being cautious. There have been injury complications constantly.


We may not know all of the details, but we know that he didn't break it again just from the fact that he was allowed to walk around on it for a month without the boot.




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Post#36 » by eagereyez » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:31 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
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Embiid never rebroke his foot.

Also keeping players out longer was a strategic decision both in terms of tanking, and focusing only on the long term health.

Most teams try to balance long term health with short term ability to perform. Hence Durant coming back too early a few years ago from the Jones fracture which ultimately blew the whole year for him.

We don't know what is going on with Okafor right now, but beyond that situation, I just don't see this pattern of injuries that are out of step with other organizations.

I think the way that they handled Noel's rookie year, and Embiid's 2 year layoff were EXACTLY right. Those were the biggest tests that we have faced medically.


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I don't think anyone truly knows what happened to Embiid. We've heard conflicting reports, and unless the doctor came out and said exactly what was wrong, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, the point doesn't change. We have players who haven't healed the way they were supposed to across the board. It's a lot more than just being cautious. There have been injury complications constantly.


We may not know all of the details, but we know that he didn't break it again just from the fact that he was allowed to walk around on it for a month without the boot.




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He re-broke his foot. He says the fracture re-opened.



He talks about it at 2:20.
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Post#37 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:33 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
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Embiid never rebroke his foot.

Also keeping players out longer was a strategic decision both in terms of tanking, and focusing only on the long term health.

Most teams try to balance long term health with short term ability to perform. Hence Durant coming back too early a few years ago from the Jones fracture which ultimately blew the whole year for him.

We don't know what is going on with Okafor right now, but beyond that situation, I just don't see this pattern of injuries that are out of step with other organizations.

I think the way that they handled Noel's rookie year, and Embiid's 2 year layoff were EXACTLY right. Those were the biggest tests that we have faced medically.


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I don't think anyone truly knows what happened to Embiid. We've heard conflicting reports, and unless the doctor came out and said exactly what was wrong, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, the point doesn't change. We have players who haven't healed the way they were supposed to across the board. It's a lot more than just being cautious. There have been injury complications constantly.


We may not know all of the details, but we know that he didn't break it again just from the fact that he was allowed to walk around on it for a month without the boot.




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Whatever. If the Sixers change medical staffs after this season, are you going to complain about it?
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Post#38 » by Ericb5 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:23 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
I don't think anyone truly knows what happened to Embiid. We've heard conflicting reports, and unless the doctor came out and said exactly what was wrong, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, the point doesn't change. We have players who haven't healed the way they were supposed to across the board. It's a lot more than just being cautious. There have been injury complications constantly.


We may not know all of the details, but we know that he didn't break it again just from the fact that he was allowed to walk around on it for a month without the boot.




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Whatever. If the Sixers change medical staffs after this season, are you going to complain about it?


Complain about it? Don't know. It would be a dumb move.


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Post#39 » by Ericb5 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:25 am

eagereyez wrote:
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LongLiveHinkie wrote:
I don't think anyone truly knows what happened to Embiid. We've heard conflicting reports, and unless the doctor came out and said exactly what was wrong, we'll never know for sure. Regardless, the point doesn't change. We have players who haven't healed the way they were supposed to across the board. It's a lot more than just being cautious. There have been injury complications constantly.


We may not know all of the details, but we know that he didn't break it again just from the fact that he was allowed to walk around on it for a month without the boot.




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He re-broke his foot. He says the fracture re-opened.



He talks about it at 2:20.


That's not rebreaking the foot. It's the original injury not healing properly.


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Post#40 » by eagereyez » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:34 am

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We may not know all of the details, but we know that he didn't break it again just from the fact that he was allowed to walk around on it for a month without the boot.




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He re-broke his foot. He says the fracture re-opened.



He talks about it at 2:20.


That's not rebreaking the foot. It's the original injury not healing properly.


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He said the fracture re-opened. A fractured navicular is a broken foot.

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