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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#21 » by James40 » Tue Nov 1, 2016 6:55 pm

OleSchool wrote:I think some of you guys are being way too hard on Brett. Look what he did in his first season and a half (up until MCW and KJ got traded). Lot of posters were complaining we were winning too much, and that was with guys like Hawes, Thad, ET, ect.

Look at how the team responded out of timeouts during that time. Most of the time a play was run that resulted in a basket or an open shot. Now, turnovers or bad plays.

BB's "best" offensive play since then has been TJ driving down either side of the lane, making a 90 degree cut along the baseline, cut back up the lane and pund the rock at the top of the key :lol:

Lets get him some real guards (guards that are actually NBA starters) before we go for his head


Agree, his talent sits in one position.
Sergio had been out of the NBA for 5 years, Saric is new to the NBA, so is Joel besides being a rookie plus add in his and Okafor's minute restrictions.
Bayless and Noel are injured.
Covington, Stauskas Henderson and Grant are backups.

Like others said his subs aren't perfect, but if we need to be patient with the "Process", BB should be included.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#22 » by kriss73 » Tue Nov 1, 2016 9:37 pm

Read on Twitter


My honeymoon with BB is just finished.

Specially because he added:

Read on Twitter


BB has preached the uptempo from day one and now is happy to trade for a non-uptempo guy.
Come on man.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#23 » by Unbreakable99 » Tue Nov 1, 2016 10:37 pm

I have my doubts on Brown. If he got fired I would be ok with that. Just because you have awful talent doesn't mean they can't play sound basketball. If we had Brad Stevens we would look a lot more functional. I look at coaches to see if they maximize their talent. I don't think Brown does that. Players should not be awful in defensive rotations the way we are. You don't need talent to know how to be in defend. You don't need talent to throw entry passes even if you stink as a PG. You don't need talent to know how to swing the ball around for a good shot.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#24 » by jbeachboy » Wed Nov 2, 2016 1:39 am

if they still cant compete with ben simmons!
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#25 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Nov 2, 2016 2:27 am

I'll be shocked if Brett's here post ASB.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#26 » by Unbreakable99 » Wed Nov 2, 2016 2:31 am

Fire him now. You can't waste away bad coaching on good talent with Embiid Saric and Simmons.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#27 » by Kolkmania » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:37 am

kriss73 wrote:
Read on Twitter


My honeymoon with BB is just finished.

Specially because he added:

Read on Twitter


BB has preached the uptempo from day one and now is happy to trade for a non-uptempo guy.
Come on man.


You can't fault him for saying that he's happy to have Ilyasova. What do you expect him to say?
"Pfff... I'm really disappointed we traded a high upside forward for this slow footed Euro guy. F*** you Bryan."

Not going to happen.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#28 » by NJ SixerFan » Wed Nov 2, 2016 11:23 am

After last night I would start the clock.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#29 » by doctor him » Wed Nov 2, 2016 3:13 pm

I get that he's had hot garbage on the roster for the past 3 years. I get that he's been coaching a revolving cast of D leaguers. I get that he's had precious little support from the front office and was let hanging out to dry on multiple occasions. I get he STILL doesn't have a 36 minute a game point guard (though Sergio for 24 minutes a night is just fine). And finally I get his connection with the Simmons family and that we don't want to cause waves for that boat. I get all that.

But I'd start the clock on seeing some more cohesion on this roster now.

They should be more organized at the ends of games. They should play hard EVERY NIGHT. These are guys who are either rookies or by the grace of Jesus alone drawing an NBA check. Effort is mandatory.

I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish with his sets (especially on the defensive end).

This isn't to say he's a "bad" coach. I suspect he's at least average.

But with the right coach (especially on the defensive end) I think some of the roster balancing issues could be managed.

So yeah...start the clock because I suspect we're going to find out that there are some better options out there.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#30 » by jsa » Wed Nov 2, 2016 10:44 pm

Overall, still an incomplete grade with the rosters he has been given. Coached poorly against Orlando in my opinion. Rule # 1, you can't give the ball to a center at the top of the key in crunch and expect him to make a play. It just is not done , and for a great reasons. You can't give the ball to a center in the post at crunch time either.

Who do they have at guard or wing that can create in the final momments and make a shot? Really the answer is still nobody. Maybe Saric can get there one day, who knows. So they lose another winable game. Long season ahead.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#31 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 12:21 am

jsa wrote:Overall, still an incomplete grade with the rosters he has been given. Coached poorly against Orlando in my opinion. Rule # 1, you can't give the ball to a center at the top of the key in crunch and expect him to make a play. It just is not done , and for a great reasons. You can't give the ball to a center in the post at crunch time either.

Who do they have at guard or wing that can create in the final momments and make a shot? Really the answer is still nobody. Maybe Saric can get there one day, who knows. So they lose another winable game. Long season ahead.


Yes you definitely can give the ball to the center in the post in crunch time. Brown still isn't a good coach though.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#32 » by UptownPhilly » Thu Nov 3, 2016 12:37 am

I'd give him another chance. Our wings and guards are the worst except for Sergio. He really has very little to work with. Until we upgrade in that dept (& Simmons return of course) I don't see how we will improve.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#33 » by Ericb5 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 1:29 pm

How many games would Popovich win with the Sixers during the time that Brown has been coach?

What percentage of the time that Brown has been here has he had a real NBA roster?

All the knee jerk arm chair quarterbacking is ridiculous. The reason that we aren't winning is a combination of injuries, unprecedented youth, and complete lack of talent in our back court.

What makes this even more annoying is that we are killing it with what really matters, which is the acquisition of star level players. The only way to make the current Sixers situation better would be if Simmons hadn't gotten hurt, and Hinkie was still in control.

Sixers fans should be pinching themselves that we managed to get Embiid and Simmons everyday, and not fretting about wins and losses at all. We have our foundational stars now, and are going to move to build around them, instead of needing to tank for more talent, but it is still a good thing that we are going to get a top pick(maybe 2) next year without even trying to be bad. This team is better set up for the future than any young team in the league, other than maybe the Twolves, and even that would only be because of Embiid's injury risk.

Brown should have AT LEAST the next calendar year until anyone talks about firing him. He doesn't have a roster that is capable of winning more than 25 games this year, even if Simmons was playing right now.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#34 » by FlightBrothers » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:23 pm

How can anyone grade Brett Brown without Ben Simmons? I am seeing some of these late game plays after timeouts and they look awful, but I am pretty sure these inbound passes are meant to be going to Ben Simmons to facilitate the offense. I think they are struggling a lot because of who we are inbounding the ball to. Without Ben Simmons they are scrambling.

I would give Brown this entire season and possibly one more before dismissing him if we show no improvement next year. The actual team building process really is beginning this year IMO. The last few years were slop and should not count on his resume. Nobody would win with those players
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#35 » by SouthJersey » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:40 pm

I like the guy, but they can fire him tomorrow and I wouldn't feel bad.

The entire time he has coached this team, they have had terrible perimeter defense. Now you can blame alot of the things on talent, but that isn't one of them. The entire defense is terrible realistically. Then you add in the lack of play calling and I'm not sold on him. It almost feels like his play calling out of time outs has gotten much worse because I remember he had called some decent plays out of time outs his first season.

To be fair, he gets this year to prove he can turn this team into being competitive, but thats as long as I think they should give him.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#36 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:10 pm

UptownPhilly wrote:I'd give him another chance. Our wings and guards are the worst except for Sergio. He really has very little to work with. Until we upgrade in that dept (& Simmons return of course) I don't see how we will improve.


Sergio is the worst as well. He's a veteran bum. Did you see Elfrid Payton block his layup attempt when the Sixers were up in the 4th against the Magic? :noway: When the game gets tight, a guy like Sergio can be overwhelmed by true NBA players that give him zero space to operate.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#37 » by Ericb5 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 5:58 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
UptownPhilly wrote:I'd give him another chance. Our wings and guards are the worst except for Sergio. He really has very little to work with. Until we upgrade in that dept (& Simmons return of course) I don't see how we will improve.


Sergio is the worst as well. He's a veteran bum. Did you see Elfrid Payton block his layup attempt when the Sixers were up in the 4th against the Magic? :noway: When the game gets tight, a guy like Sergio can be overwhelmed by true NBA players that give him zero space to operate.


He is still the best guard on the team, and should be playing big minutes. It really doesn't matter if he contributes to wins or not at this point, he is good for our big men though.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#38 » by the_process » Thu Nov 3, 2016 6:56 pm

Brown had nothing to do with acquiring the talent; in fact he has often gone against trying to acquire better talent, instead preferring to fight to keep his hard working scrubs.

However, I would doubt any move will be made in season unless the team openly revolts. Off-season, open game.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#39 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Nov 3, 2016 7:00 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
UptownPhilly wrote:I'd give him another chance. Our wings and guards are the worst except for Sergio. He really has very little to work with. Until we upgrade in that dept (& Simmons return of course) I don't see how we will improve.


Sergio is the worst as well. He's a veteran bum. Did you see Elfrid Payton block his layup attempt when the Sixers were up in the 4th against the Magic? :noway: When the game gets tight, a guy like Sergio can be overwhelmed by true NBA players that give him zero space to operate.


He is still the best guard on the team, and should be playing big minutes. It really doesn't matter if he contributes to wins or not at this point, he is good for our big men though.


He is not good. If he is not good then he can not be good for anyone on the Sixers at any position. He is BETTER for the Sixers big men than TJ McConnell. Serigo being better than TJ McConnell doesn't equate to him being good for the big men on the Sixers roster.All of the guards that have played for the Sixers this season are bad for the development of the young players. Our young players have to practice with and against that garbage. How do you maximize your potential in that sort of non competitive environment? Brett Brown has developed how many players? Players are still improving in San Antonio without him but the players on the Sixers haven't taken any major steps forward.
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Re: When should the grace period for Brett Brown be over? 

Post#40 » by Ericb5 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 8:58 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sergio is the worst as well. He's a veteran bum. Did you see Elfrid Payton block his layup attempt when the Sixers were up in the 4th against the Magic? :noway: When the game gets tight, a guy like Sergio can be overwhelmed by true NBA players that give him zero space to operate.


He is still the best guard on the team, and should be playing big minutes. It really doesn't matter if he contributes to wins or not at this point, he is good for our big men though.


He is not good. If he is not good then he can not be good for anyone on the Sixers at any position. He is BETTER for the Sixers big men than TJ McConnell. Serigo being better than TJ McConnell doesn't equate to him being good for the big men on the Sixers roster.All of the guards that have played for the Sixers this season are bad for the development of the young players. Our young players have to practice with and against that garbage. How do you maximize your potential in that sort of non competitive environment? Brett Brown has developed how many players? Players are still improving in San Antonio without him but the players on the Sixers haven't taken any major steps forward.


It isn't true that he isn't good. He is a poor defender so that drags him down, but he is a good offensive point guard. He is a competent shooter, passer, ball handler, and PnR player. Since he is all of those things he is a net positive on the offensive end for our big men because he is actually capable of running the team.

He is a better player than Ish Smith, and while not as good as MCW overall, he is better for our big men offensively than MCW would be.

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