The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

Negrodamus · Post #21 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:05 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Gotta say it is one of my happiest moments since watching NBA, Simmons is winning the poll on who is the most overrated player in NBA lmfao
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Did you have a grand reveal post about your Ben Simmons fandom trolling over the past few months?

eyeatoma · Post #22 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:00 am

Negrodamus wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Gotta say it is one of my happiest moments since watching NBA, Simmons is winning the poll on who is the most overrated player in NBA lmfao
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1827676

Did you have a grand reveal post about your Ben Simmons fandom trolling over the past few months?

Lol I tell you, this guy is unbelievable.

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Mojo Amok · Post #23 » by **Mojo Amok** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:15 am

the_process wrote:
Mojo Amok wrote:From the locked thread:

DaddyCool19 wrote:If Butler stays, he should be traded for a good shooter. Maybe Beal or Lillard if one of them asks out? If you land Beal, sign someone like Beverley as your PG.

I don't know that Beal's available at all, but the big problem if he was would be that Simmons and Wall is just such a horrific pairing that it's almost guaranteed disfunction. Simmons growing as a player and Wall recouping his value or getting back into it with both guys playing together is almost certain failure. And then you end up with $70 million committed to two guys who can't play together.

Plus, that's not even mentioning that Troy Brown and Satoransky are also poor fits with Simmons.

Send Simmons to PHX for Booker, send Booker to WSH for Beal. Which is just one idea.

I think you guys could get better value going after Brow Davis, though. Here's what I said in the old now-locked thread:

Sixers fan: Because the Pelicans are going to have the same evaluation of Ben that we’re all having. It would have to be Ben + valuable asset(s).

Me: The Pelicans can afford to wait longer than you guys can, though. Simmons as a tank commander for a few years putting up gaudy numbers and hopefully improving his shooting a bit could be very attractive to the Pels if they have a patient rebuilding plan.

I could definitely see them biting on a package built around Simmons unless maybe the Knicks can offer a ridiculous package of picks. I don't think Tatum is even close and Boston's middling picks aren't making up the difference, IMO.

I think it just depends on the Sixers assessment of Embid's health. If you're bullish on Joel over the next X many years, there's a very good chance that you have the premier package to get that deal done. I love Beal, but he's not as good as AD and the price might be the same.

XtremeDunkz · Post #24 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:18 am

I was against trading Simmons for Davis when it was brought up earlier in the season, but now I would do it 100%

reignfire · Post #25 » by **reignfire** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:26 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:I was against trading Simmons for Davis when it was brought up earlier in the season, but now I would do it 100%

The problem is, when you finally think it's a good trade, now the other guy thinks it's a bad trade.

I'm sure the Pels would have really considered it earlier in the season.

This post season is going to kill Ben's value.

Mojo Amok · Post #26 » by **Mojo Amok** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:36 am

reignfire wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:I was against trading Simmons for Davis when it was brought up earlier in the season, but now I would do it 100%

The problem is, when you finally think it's a good trade, now the other guy thinks it's a bad trade.

I'm sure the Pels would have really considered it earlier in the season.

This post season is going to kill Ben's value.

But a lot of Simmons problems are more acute if you're trying to win at this exact moment. If the plan is to get back in the playoffs in 2022 like the Pels at least should be thinking about, these are issues that a franchise can live with. The big thing for the Pels new management team will be to A) not look like idiots B) be able to sell hope to the fans. Simmons should achieve both of those things rather nicely.

As an outside observer, I will say that if I were responsible for the deal, I'd be looking at the Knicks if their lottery balls don't fail and then the Sixers with Simmons (and a bit of sweetener). Boston would be third and then the Lakers fourth out of the suitors that I'm aware of. And if the Knicks are picking 4th or 5th, the Sixers would be well out in front.

76ciology · Post #27 » by **76ciology** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:48 am

Ben for AD makes sense for both teams.

AD can space the floor and have Embiid’s back if Biid’s steps out on defense

Tomjas · Post #28 » by **Tomjas** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:48 am

Pelicans would be back in the playoffs with Simmons

The guy actually plays defence and is very unselfish so would make a terrible tank commander

VDT · Post #29 » by **VDT** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:03 am

AD cannot space anything with his career 31% 3 point percentage. I also highly doubt he views himself as a spacer which means that there is no way he will stay. If Embiid is healthy he should be the only big man on the floor, everyone else should have a perimeter oriented game. AD and Embiid are also a bad fit, you can only have one man that plays in the paint and reducing AD to a spacer is a waste of money and his skills.

Regardless of what happens in the playoffs i would try to get Leonard or Durant. If that fails i would keep an eye on the situation in Houston and possibly OKC. If things go downhill for them (eg a Chris Paul injury) and they decide that their championship window is closed they might make Harden or George available in a trade for Simmons.

Tomjas · Post #30 » by **Tomjas** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:23 am

Sixers currently don’t have assets to trade Simmons for any of the guys mentioned

Mik317 · Post #31 » by **Mik317** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:38 am

I highly doubt NO would trade for another Klutch sports client.

kio80 · Post #32 » by **kio80** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:31 am

I swear philly fans are the biggest bunch of whining cry babies. Ben played a bad game, suck it up, booing your home team because your team ain’t performing is straight up tasteless.

It’s game 1 in the first round, relax omg, enough with the trade talks and the hate, your opinions wouldn’t matter anyway....

Mik317 · Post #33 » by **Mik317** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:37 am

i mean yeah but also Ben did this **** last year too.

eventually patience wears out yknow

PhillyPhilly · Post #34 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:59 am

BEN IS 22 YEARS OLD AND HAS WON THE ROY AND IS AN ALL-STAR ALREADY IN HIS FIRST TWO YEARS. Folks really are acting like trading Ben is somehow gonna transform us into golden state overnight..smh. Our best five have barely played 11 games together, ELEVEN GAMES, and yet impatient fans are begging to tear it down in favour of a pipe dream. It makes no sense whatsoever.

phillynative · Post #35 » by **phillynative** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:00 am

kio80 wrote:I swear philly fans are the biggest bunch of whining cry babies. Ben played a bad game, suck it up, booing your home team because your team ain’t performing is straight up tasteless.

It’s game 1 in the first round, relax omg, enough with the trade talks and the hate, your opinions wouldn’t matter anyway....

Lol these weakneses that the nets exposed were presented throughout the year. This includes, ben halfcourt liability and being easily shut down , mixed in with sixers no peremiter defense, funky offense over reliant on jj and Embiid, lack of adjustments.

If fans are frustrated they have every right to be

Jams60 · Post #36 » by **Jams60** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:50 am

eyeatoma wrote:I'd say heavily shop SImmons if it looks like Embiid can remain relatively healthy. I'm concerned about the knee. There's speculation that it could be degenerative arthritis. If that's not it, then I'd really consider trying to trade Ben for AD or someone of that calibre.

Well it doesn’t look like that Embiid can remain relative healthy, I think that is fairly obvious. He is a year by year, game by game risk giving his history, his size and his chase everything attitude on court.
You’d have to think there is more of a chance that Simmons develops a jump shot then Embiid remaining healthy.

eyeatoma · Post #37 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:55 am

Jams60 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:I'd say heavily shop SImmons if it looks like Embiid can remain relatively healthy. I'm concerned about the knee. There's speculation that it could be degenerative arthritis. If that's not it, then I'd really consider trying to trade Ben for AD or someone of that calibre.

Well it doesn’t look like that Embiid can remain relative healthy, I think that is fairly obvious. He is a year by year, game by game risk giving his history, his size and his chase everything attitude on court.
You’d have to think there is more of a chance that Simmons develops a jump shot then Embiid remaining healthy.

Honestly I'm not so sure about Simmons and his jumper lol.

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Jams60 · Post #38 » by **Jams60** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:18 am

Neither am I but I can imagine a time when it is workable. I just can’t imagine a time when someone with the injury history of Embiid is capable of being healthy 2 or 3 years in a row.

eyeatoma · Post #39 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:23 am

Jams60 wrote:Neither am I but I can imagine a time when it is workable. I just can’t imagine a time when someone with the injury history of Embiid is capable of being healthy 2 or 3 years in a row.

I think if he's limited to 30 to 32 minutes, no back to backs and a Max of 60 games a season he should be fine.

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Post #40 » by **Foshan** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:58 am

I remember seeing a clip of Greek freak before a game, his mentality: Dunk everything.

I would love for Ben to come out with that mindset tonight.