Joel Embiid

[mjkvol]

Many of Joel's shortcomings are on him but thats apart of the Joel Embiid experience. Ben not shooting is apart of the Ben Simmons experience. Both of these things are crazy frustrating. BUT can be accounted for. They have not. And now frustration is at an all time high.


This FO is going to botch whoever they decide to build around. This narrative of "well its hard because we gotta build around two different skillsets" is a media creation to out Embiid IMO. That first year was flawed but was the best type of team to put around these guys. Get better versions of JJ/Cov/Dario and a bench worth a damn that was the blueprint...but nope pile of coats needed to prove their balls were big and now we are in this ****.

This is the bottom line. The FO and Brown f***ked up by not proactively addressing the issues of both Embiid and Simmons before they became sports talk radio fodder, which made both into a thing that will continue to snowball now that the media and fans smell blood in the water. They f***ked up by overthinking the type of team that would most effectively help Ben and Jo, and thus the team, reach their potential and instead created this overpriced, ill fitting mess.

The idea that the Sixers will be better off trading either of the two is classic fan ignorance stoked by an equally ignorant media looking to generate clicks and listeners. The way to make this work is to admit the mistake, see this season through, and then make the necessary changes next summer. Unfortunately, this will be akin to asking the doctor who just butchered a surgery to go in and fix it.

[Negrodamus]

Imagine wanted to trade one of the best players in the league because he hurt your fee-fees.

Read on Twitter

Talk about a crow dinner tonight.

[76ciology]

You control what you can control, which is building the most talented roster and also unlocking Ben. You’re seeing it now.

Appreciate this roster. We have a very good 5 man unit without Embiid and we have found a way to unlock Ben. This has been a great achievement.

What you can’t control is Biid’s emotion and you’re hoping that he will put the team over himself. With a “Best for the team” mentality. Maybe benching Al sets an example for this.

And quite frankly, it’s only a speculation that Biid is mad about the team’s built. And if you look at his 4 year numbers, his defense have been on a decline with or without Jj or Jimmy.

The bigger issue that really overshadows this roster issue is his conditioning and health.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah as if you need a center to play nowadays...

[mithrandir17]

Imagine wanted to trade one of the best players in the league because he hurt your fee-fees.

Read on Twitter

Talk about a crow dinner tonight.

Good thing it is just masking tape.

[Kova]

And Jo is back. In fact, he was so damn bored this whole season that he had to light up the fire to get him pumped a little bit. Classic Jo.

[phillynative]

The clippers game spacing also showed again just how versatile offensively Embiid is . His willingness to not only space the floor and post-face-up without a crowd around him gives him an edge.

Hopefully as he continues to heal and get in shape he will become more efficient on both ends.

[SexDrugsPnR]

It'd be hilarious if it became a thing to boo embiid ironically before each game. the casuals wouldn't understand, but i'm sure joel would get it.

[GoSixersBro]

You control what you can control, which is building the most talented roster and also unlocking Ben. You’re seeing it now.

Appreciate this roster. We have a very good 5 man unit without Embiid and we have found a way to unlock Ben. This has been a great achievement.

What you can’t control is Biid’s emotion and you’re hoping that he will put the team over himself. With a “Best for the team” mentality. Maybe benching Al sets an example for this.

And quite frankly, it’s only a speculation that Biid is mad about the team’s built. And if you look at his 4 year numbers, his defense have been on a decline with or without Jj or Jimmy.

The bigger issue that really overshadows this roster issue is his conditioning and health.

Damn bro. I haven't posted on RealGM as much as I used to but remembered you used to be a rational guy. At what point did you start to go off the deep end? Turn the radio off, it's not good for your mental health.

[NBA Moses]

Joel Embiid: The False Messiah

I cant believe 6-7 years after this guy was drafted we are in this mess. Embiid was supposed to be a top 5 player, a dominating force leading the Sixers to multi championships but instead hes presently a poorly conditioned, whiny, moping bad 3 point launcher who refuses to protect the rim.

I can't believe people are feeding into sports talk radio, TMZ-esque concocted hysteria and wanting to trade your best player because he's had a bad string of games after being rushed back from injury. Casual Philly fans are embarrassing and I know why the rest of the nation laughs at us. We slap a sticker on our own back of how passionate we are with our sports teams but in reality 75% of the fanbase half pays attention then regurgitates whatever 94.1 or 97.5 is saying on the radio on their commute to work. Has Embiid played up to his potential this season? Hell no. But wanting to go nuclear while we are sitting 5 games out of the 3 seed is pretty laughable. We did envision being a top 2 team in the East this season, but things haven't worked out as planned and we can point fingers at Embiid, Brown, Simmons, Horford, Brand, whoever, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, everyone is a little to blame.

An terrible post by you chief.

"Casual Fan" Please!!! Ive watched every Sixer game for the past 40 years.

Last nights great game by Embiid was proof that Joel has basically mailed -it- in for the first 50 games. Hes been sleep walking and playing to a fraction of his capacity most of the year helping the Sixers bury themselves in 6th place in the east.

Last night is how Embiid needs to play. $180M you have to earn your money. You dont show up once a month.

[phillynative]

I loved that block on Mr.tough guy Morris late in the game

[GoSixersBro]

Joel Embiid: The False Messiah

I cant believe 6-7 years after this guy was drafted we are in this mess. Embiid was supposed to be a top 5 player, a dominating force leading the Sixers to multi championships but instead hes presently a poorly conditioned, whiny, moping bad 3 point launcher who refuses to protect the rim.

I can't believe people are feeding into sports talk radio, TMZ-esque concocted hysteria and wanting to trade your best player because he's had a bad string of games after being rushed back from injury. Casual Philly fans are embarrassing and I know why the rest of the nation laughs at us. We slap a sticker on our own back of how passionate we are with our sports teams but in reality 75% of the fanbase half pays attention then regurgitates whatever 94.1 or 97.5 is saying on the radio on their commute to work. Has Embiid played up to his potential this season? Hell no. But wanting to go nuclear while we are sitting 5 games out of the 3 seed is pretty laughable. We did envision being a top 2 team in the East this season, but things haven't worked out as planned and we can point fingers at Embiid, Brown, Simmons, Horford, Brand, whoever, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, everyone is a little to blame.

An terrible post by you chief.

"Casual Fan" Please!!! Ive watched every Sixer game for the past 40 years.

Last nights great game by Embiid was proof that Joel has basically mailed -it- in for the first 50 games. Hes been sleep walking and playing to a fraction of his capacity most of the year helping the Sixers bury themselves in 6th place in the east.

Last night is how Embiid needs to play. $180M you have to earn your money. You dont show up once a month.

Go back and read your post. It's egregious. Embiid is 25 years old and you are looking back at his career and basically calling it a failure because he had a bad string of games in his fourth season. Who guaranteed you multi-championships when he was drafted and said he'd be top 5? You may claim to have watched every Sixer game for 40 years, but your post reads like a WIP caller's, which makes perfect sense because you're revealing your age

[syntax]

I'd be a tad bit annoyed if I was 7'1" and used as a floor spacer so my PG who can't shoot worth a lick can go to work.

[76ciology]

I'd be a tad bit annoyed if I was 7'1" and used as a floor spacer so my PG who can't shoot worth a lick can go to work.

Well, that’s the card we’re dealt with.

Could have made it easier if we just drafted Giannis and guards then just moneyball our way on this NBA that is slowly eliminating the C position.

[steveb21]

Yeah and once upon a time the Sixers thought they were better off without Moses Malone.

[rzzzzz]

this NBA that is slowly eliminating the C position.

as was well discussed on the extreme site, the Clippers shot the 3 ball with much greater efficiency than we did a couple of nights ago. we won because we remembered how to attack the cup with our starting all star center. (i swear, people are always mistaking trends for talent. when the 3 point shot was introduced, folks thought the reigning champion Sonics would dominate for years. except a rookie pf named Magic showed up, and consequently returned an "outdated" Kareem back to dominant force. and then Magic proved that a big point and dominant center was a lethal combination. if you had a big point and a dominant center now, wouldn't you be tempted to revisit their offensive scheme?)

[Bum Adebayo]

I'd be a tad bit annoyed if I was 7'1" and used as a floor spacer so my PG who can't shoot worth a lick can go to work.

Well, that’s the card we’re dealt with.

Could have made it easier if we just drafted Giannis and guards then just moneyball our way on this NBA that is slowly eliminating the C position.

Not even in your wet dreams, the center position will PREVAIL and NOTHING you do to remove it will matter.
Give me creating your own legacy over following trends every day.

[76ciology]

The league sets the trend. Sure you can go against it but they will conspire to make it hard for you.

Think about it. We probably are the most talented team in the league but winning has been tough for us while a team like the Raps or Celts who’s a lot inferior in talent has a lot of ease in winning than us.

A very good example is the steep uphill we climb whenever we face the Hawks. 3s vs heavily challenged 2s.

We spend this Biid thread and Ben thread talking about how to run the team. Do ben shoot? Should Biid just camp at the post? It shouldn’t be this hard with this much talent.

The league clearly have been trying to increase the pace of the game, which is a big problem for post offense. Then right now teams are improving their zone defense. It will come to a point that they will clog the paint and force a battle of perimeter firepower. You get more spacing with a forward who can play C and also space the floor. What do you do when you get Embiid the ball at the post with less than 10 secs in the shotclock with a paint heavily clogged?

It’s really a matter of beliefs so it’s subjective.
It’s just my belief. If you disagree then let’s just agree to disagree.

Ive made some crazy theories some of it didnt materialized and I’m ok to be called a fool out of it.

But here’s the thing, lately they have been becoming true lol

[76ciology]

The league sets the trend. Sure you can go against it but they will conspire to make it hard for you.

Think about it. We probably are the most talented team in the league but winning has been tough for us while a team like the Raps or Celts who’s a lot inferior in talent has a lot of ease in winning than us.

A very good example is the steep uphill we climb whenever we face the Hawks. 3s vs heavily challenged 2s.

We spend this Biid thread and Ben thread talking about how to run the team. Do ben shoot? Should Biid just camp at the post? It shouldn’t be this hard with this much talent.

The league clearly have been trying to increase the pace of the game, which is a big problem for post offense. Then right now teams are improving their zone defense. It will come to a point that they will clog the paint and force a battle of perimeter firepower. You get more spacing with a forward who can play C and also space the floor. What do you do when you get Embiid the ball at the post with less than 10 secs in the shotclock with a paint heavily clogged?

It’s really a matter of beliefs so it’s subjective.
It’s just my belief. If you disagree then let’s just agree to disagree.

Ive made some crazy theories some of it didnt materialized and I’m ok to be called a fool out of it.

But here’s the thing, lately they have been becoming true lol

Our saving grace is this.

An offense revolving around Ben (honestly the offense looks so much better) then have Biid have his 25ppg thru a balance of post and non-post offense. Then you let the other guys jack up 3s. The league will favor this. I expect us to do this to end the season and turn this around. The refs would also help you make the finals.

This is the optimal solution. This also saves a lot of energy for Biid on defense while prolonging his career.

[phillynative]

They ran their offense through both Embiid and Ben with spacing and they did just fine against the clips.