Moreyball: Finding the Undervalued Stock?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Justin Jackson- I mean, he's almost played himself out of the league, but he fits the profile.

Malik Monk- I think Charlotte would part with him for a lot less than one would assume.

Dillon Brooks- If we could somehow steal him away from Memphis.

Jerome Robinson- Others have mentioned him. I really like him as a scorer off the bench in the future.

Troy Brown- He wont be a secret for very much longer.

Delon Wright- I keep waiting for him to put it all together. At the very least he's a low risk role player with still a little ceiling to him.

Derrick White is also a player i'd love to see here.
Tyus Jones, Aaron Holiday, Jarrett Culver can all come over if their teams punt on them.

[Stanford]

Isn’t the guys we’re mentioning the guys Morey would like to stay away. He seems like a GM who wants his roster to be composed of MVPs or role players. No in between guys.

What makes Buddy Hield less of a role player than Eric Gordon or Robert Covington though?

[the_process]

Horford seems to fit the profile of a guy who would be very good in San Antonio with Pop. Can Horford and Milton and 21 get you Rudy Gay and Dejounte Murray?

[76ciology]

Isn’t the guys we’re mentioning the guys Morey would like to stay away. He seems like a GM who wants his roster to be composed of MVPs or role players. No in between guys.

What makes Buddy Hield less of a role player than Eric Gordon or Robert Covington though?

None. That’s why i think Morey wont go for him and the other guys we mention in this thread.

He sees Buddy Hield and he sees another guy he need to stay away from.

[phillynative]

Can buddy hield shoot anything close to what reddick did with a little more all around ability?

[Stanford]

Isn’t the guys we’re mentioning the guys Morey would like to stay away. He seems like a GM who wants his roster to be composed of MVPs or role players. No in between guys.

What makes Buddy Hield less of a role player than Eric Gordon or Robert Covington though?

None. That’s why i think Morey wont go for him and the other guys we mention in this thread.

He sees Buddy Hield and he sees another guy he need to stay away from.

But he went for Gordon and Covington!

[76ciology]

Can buddy hield shoot anything close to what reddick did with a little more all around ability?

Last time i checked, he plays like a SG version of Tobi. I could be wrong and too lazy to check it again hahaha

[stormi]

Can buddy hield shoot anything close to what reddick did with a little more all around ability?

Plays a similar fundamental game, more athletic though and it helps him be a better team and man defender. Gets to the rim about 3x as often while finishing about ~8% better at field goals within 3'. Also gives you about a steal per game (Redick about .3) and 3apg (Redick ~2).

He's more versatile than JJ ever was while still maintaining that rare shooting ability. I would like him in Philadelphia badly.

[stormi]

Can buddy hield shoot anything close to what reddick did with a little more all around ability?

Last time i checked, he plays like a SG version of Tobi. I could be wrong and too lazy to check it again hahaha

~60% (59.2%) of Hields fg's come from 3, about 28% historically for Tobias.

Hield is a marksman, Tobias is an isolation / postup scorer with the ability to contribute at all 3 levels.

[phillynative]

Correct me if im wrong but I think 76ciology is trying to say Morey is either interested in a star player or role player piece that fits
Not players that are good but not quite stars like Tobi , buddy hield..that will eat up your cap space with no chance of getting you over the hump.

I may be of the grass is greener bunch but to me being able to switch hield for tobi would be step in the right direction for this team. You would still have to add another shot creator/playmaker though.

[TTP]

The real undervalued stock is Oladipo. He should probably be our plan B if we fail on CP3. Pre-injury, Oladipo was one of the best players in the East and his value likely won’t ever be lower than it is now. He’s a great fit and I’m willing to take the risk that the ~20 games he played this year after returning from a brutal injury won’t be indicative of his future performance.

[TTP]

Correct me if im wrong but I think 76ciology is trying to say Morey is either interested in a star player or role player piece that fits
Not players that are good but not quite stars like Tobi , buddy hield..that will eat up your cap space with no chance of getting you over the hump.

I may be of the grass is greener bunch but to me being able to switch hield for tobi would be step in the right direction for this team. You would still have to add another shot creator/playmaker though.

I mean he’s wrong though. Morey gave a big deal to Capela only a few years ago - very much a good player but not quite a star. Not to mention Gordon, Covington, etc.

[stormi]

Correct me if im wrong but I think 76ciology is trying to say Morey is either interested in a star player or role player piece that fits
Not players that are good but not quite stars like Tobi , buddy hield..that will eat up your cap space with no chance of getting you over the hump.

I may be of the grass is greener bunch but to me being able to switch hield for tobi would be step in the right direction for this team. You would still have to add another shot creator/playmaker though.

I think the Hield thing for me is only enticing if it's a Horford swap.

Question, do you think Morey is going to go searching for 'James Harden' or for the next one, ala an undervalued player by their organization on the cusp of breaking out.

[elchengue20]

Horford for Hield makes sense if we decide to keep Ben and Embiid.He is a more complete version of JJ.

Oladipo is done as a star player(wich by the way was only one season), plus he isn't a very reliable three point shooter, and we desesperatly need shooting next to Ben and Embiid. Right now he's closer to a slightly better Josh Richardson than to an All Star player.No thanks.

Coby White is very raw, he has Jamal Murray like potential, but he doesn't fit our timeline. Embiid's prime is going to be over by the time he figures it out.

The only guy who could have a Harden type of breakout is Lavine, but i don't think we have the assets to trade for him without giving up one of Ben/Embiid.

[Sixerscan]

Correct me if im wrong but I think 76ciology is trying to say Morey is either interested in a star player or role player piece that fits
Not players that are good but not quite stars like Tobi , buddy hield..that will eat up your cap space with no chance of getting you over the hump.

I may be of the grass is greener bunch but to me being able to switch hield for tobi would be step in the right direction for this team. You would still have to add another shot creator/playmaker though.

I mean he’s wrong though. Morey gave a big deal to Capela only a few years ago - very much a good player but not quite a star. Not to mention Gordon, Covington, etc.

Yeah I wouldn't say Morey has a single theory on how to build a team besides needing stars (which, duh).

I think it's more that the middle tier paid guys are the ones that are most often overpaid and he rightly tries to avoid that. But a good value middle tier guy is fine.

[76ciology]

Correct me if im wrong but I think 76ciology is trying to say Morey is either interested in a star player or role player piece that fits
Not players that are good but not quite stars like Tobi , buddy hield..that will eat up your cap space with no chance of getting you over the hump.

I may be of the grass is greener bunch but to me being able to switch hield for tobi would be step in the right direction for this team. You would still have to add another shot creator/playmaker though.

Yup. I could be wrong but that’s what i think.

Sure he will go after role players like roco. But he’s more aggressive once he has 2 MVP caliber guys established.

Like for Capela, he signed him to a 5 year contract in the offseason of 2018, after they have CP3. Say they don’t have CP3, then I think he would have tried to use him as an asset to get a CP3 type player instead.

IMO trading Tobi or Al for Hield will just be moving sideways. And it’s more likely that we are the one having to attach an asset to make it happen, unless Hield cries to get out of sacramento.

But for me, he either trades Ben for a MVP caliber guy. Then have Tobi or Al as his Capela and Gordon expensive type role players. Or he’d shopping Tobi and Al for assets where he could pounce for an MVP caliber guy then Ben can be his expensive role player.

Maybe Morey run the show with one flat tire this season, given how short this offseason is. I don’t really know what he thinks of this team until he starts making some moves to show his cards.

That’s how i look at it and you guys may know Morey better.

[76ciology]

Correct me if im wrong but I think 76ciology is trying to say Morey is either interested in a star player or role player piece that fits
Not players that are good but not quite stars like Tobi , buddy hield..that will eat up your cap space with no chance of getting you over the hump.

I may be of the grass is greener bunch but to me being able to switch hield for tobi would be step in the right direction for this team. You would still have to add another shot creator/playmaker though.

I think the Hield thing for me is only enticing if it's a Horford swap.

Question, do you think Morey is going to go searching for 'James Harden' or for the next one, ala an undervalued player by their organization on the cusp of breaking out.

You have to go back to his experience with the Celtics or when he got D12.

It’s not really being undervalued. But more like having an opportunity to hit a home run.

Whether the star is looking to get out (like KG?) or a team is looking to rebuild (like Ray Allen). Its not necessarily undervalued.

Because the dynamic is teams would overvalue a star player even when he’s weak because of endowment effect. Teams attach a lot of the sentimental stuff like how hard it is to acquire him. So they are less likely going to part with him unless its something that will blow them away.

Sorry, but I think the best example is our reluctant to trade Ben for Harden. And this will change once a player asks for a trade. Let’s now say Ben wants out of this team, would you know want to trade Ben for Harden?

[stormi]

I'm talking about the way he acquired James Harden initially. Morey hasn't shown to be the type to chase the curve ala Brand trading for a player at apex value, literally on the eve of a career night and game winner. His most successful move was going after an uber efficient 23 year old with a boatload of potential on the cusp of being great. It sounds like the opposite of trading Ben away actually.

Anybody can dump every asset in the tank to 'starhunt'. That was the first thing Brett Brown talked about the moment he was appointed interim GM.

I think Morey is more cunning than that and is going to spend the next little while coming to a conclusion of who that next great piece is, rather than the established presence that would cost everything. Just my thoughts.

[Stanford]

I think Morey is more cunning than that and is going to spend the next little while coming to a conclusion of who that next great piece is, rather than the established presence that would cost everything. Just my thoughts.

I believe Morey would tell you he did that in Houston because the Rockets didn't have a star player. If he's as in on Joel as he says he is (and Ben), I can't see him taking the same approach to building the team. He'll probably behave more in line with how he did after he acquired Harden.

[stormi]

I think Morey is more cunning than that and is going to spend the next little while coming to a conclusion of who that next great piece is, rather than the established presence that would cost everything. Just my thoughts.

I believe Morey would tell you he did that in Houston because the Rockets didn't have a star player. If he's as in on Joel as he says he is (and Ben), I can't see him taking the same approach to building the team. He'll probably behave more in line with how he did after he acquired Harden.

This would be like a 1st + Richardson + Thybulle + salary filler esque trade.

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Trading Ben Simmons because we have a Ben Simmons to trade is poor asset management. Historically when's the last time a 24 y/o all nba player was traded? AD or Kawhi didn't cost a fraction of that regardless of circumstance. The Rockets are the ones who's backs are at the wall now, their window is closed, they have no future.