Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[Jhawk03]

Harden is gonna get 3 with a 4th PO, all eyes are on Tobias now.

[Embiid P]

With regards to trading Harris, I like to get a borderline star in return. I dont see the value of 3&D guys SFs. I see DFS mentioned here, but have we forgotten how Tobi and Harden just cooked this guys? DFS was unplayable out there because he cant shoot. And even if you have scottie pippen there, teams can just hunt mismatches out there. Like how Celts hunted Maxey in crunch time or Embiid G7.

Personally, I’d be looking to trade Tucker instead. Until he’s here, we’re playing 4v5 on offense while he’s not that good on defense to make up for it.

we just need to add a dimension to our offense while dont make our defense worse.Teams can just leave DFS and Tucker out there all game. We’d be lucky to score more than 70pts at the end of the game

Except it's going to be really tough to move Tucker at 38 years old and 2 years left on his deal at least without having to give up assets and/or take on another team's garbage in return. I personally like the rebounding, toughness and other intangibles he provides.

That said, the main problem with Tucker is that he isn't a starter and is playing too many minutes at this stage in his career. He should be relegated to the bench and replace Niang (who is completely useless when he's not hitting his open shots) as the backup SF/PF.

As far as DFS goes, with the exception of his first few seasons, he's actually been an above average 3 point shooter throughout his career so IDK where this notion that he can't shoot is coming from. Let's not forget that Brooklyn doesn't have a lot of facilitators that can get him easy open 3s which has caused his % to drop quite a bit.

[76ciology]

With regards to trading Harris, I like to get a borderline star in return. I dont see the value of 3&D guys SFs. I see DFS mentioned here, but have we forgotten how Tobi and Harden just cooked this guys? DFS was unplayable out there because he cant shoot. And even if you have scottie pippen there, teams can just hunt mismatches out there. Like how Celts hunted Maxey in crunch time or Embiid G7.

Personally, I’d be looking to trade Tucker instead. Until he’s here, we’re playing 4v5 on offense while he’s not that good on defense to make up for it.

we just need to add a dimension to our offense while dont make our defense worse.Teams can just leave DFS and Tucker out there all game. We’d be lucky to score more than 70pts at the end of the game

Except it's going to be really tough to move Tucker at 38 years old and 2 years left on his deal at least without having to give up assets and/or take on another team's garbage in return. I personally like the rebounding, toughness and other intangibles he provides.

That said, the main problem with Tucker is that he isn't a starter and is playing too many minutes at this stage in his career. He should be relegated to the bench and replace Niang (who is completely useless when he's not hitting his open shots) as the backup SF/PF.

As far as DFS goes, with the exception of his first few seasons, he's actually been an above average 3 point shooter throughout his career so IDK where this notion that he can't shoot is coming from. Let's not forget that Brooklyn doesn't have a lot of facilitators that can get him easy open 3s.

Tucker is also a good shooter. And actually a better shooter than DFS. Both he can’t shoot 3s in volume. Teams can beat us just by leaving him to shoot the entire game, which is one of our schemes in beating the Nets.

I think Tucker can be moved. His archetype is more valued than bad shooting PFs and dunk&blocks Cs.

[76ciology]

The problem with moving Tobi for a 10ppg at best 3&D guy who can’t score 20-30pts when left open is you’d be in a handicap on offense with that guy (DFS) and Tucker.

If im trading Tobi, im trading him for atleast a neutral defender but can score 20-30 if you leave him open (i.e John Collins). This way it still can make Tucker playable.

And to solve this problem with Tucker, maybe having Collins at the 4 allows you to have Melton at the 3, then sliding Tucker to play that Niang role.

And if that is not in our cards, then I’d like to trade Tucker for a 20-30pts threat if left open.

[76ciology]

Archetype winning players who are undervalued now are tweeners who can finish around the rim, average on defense and with questionable 3pt shooting, the Aaron Gordon types. Teams dont like them because most have their centers around the rim.

I believe Embiid allows you to play this type of guys because he just hang around almost all game at the elbow.

[sixers4real]

So far Morey has done everything I predicted and wanted him to do:)

May 16.

I think Morey is going to play this game:
-fire Rivers
-keep Embiid, Tucker and Maxey
-keep Harden

Search all the trades for Tobias but keep him. Trade Tobias At all star break for another star.

May 18.

Sticking with that.
-fire Rivers ———- done

I bet they are keeping Harden as well, I would prefer Nick Nurse, not a fan of Bud.
I’d be okay the MDA, actually.
I want to keep Maxey and Tucker, as I’ve said before. And I think Morey has one big Harris trade in his pocket that’ll turn us into championship team.

So,
- Rivers fired.
- Nurse hired.
- No way Embiid and Maxey are traded.
- I don’t waNt to trade Tucker because he still brings toughness this team lacks and I don’t think you can get better return for him. And he was actually good in playoffs in general and in Celtics series to me.

Now, with a Beal trade today I’d say it’s 80% Harden returns and it’s 20% he goes back to Houston. Suns are out. That’s good.
I personally want Harden back, badly. I think we were right there and with Nurse, Maxey improvement we are going to be too 5 contenders in the NBA next season.
Without Harden, no way.

And I still trust Morey to do a great Harris trade. This summer or at deadline.

[rocketsfan100]

Beal is barley top 30 top 35 player at his best and will be making top 10
Player money for the next 3 or 4 years. The suns are taking a huge gamble

[Arsenal]

Beal is barley top 30 top 35 player at his best and will be making top 10
Player money for the next 3 or 4 years. The suns are taking a huge gamble

Agree. I don’t see how you build a champion around that Beal contract. It’s just as toxic as the Tobi contract was.

[mjkvol]

mjkvol wrote:
To me the coaching change will be the single most impactful move of the off season, and I think a run it back has a legitimate shot at competing for a championship due to that more than anything else they may or may not do. Also, there is no juggernaut out there to fear, and there is not a whole lot separating the top 7-8 teams.

Iverson Armband wrote:
This fanbase is delusional. We’re coming off another playoff meltdown, and people are thinking a coach who was just fired himself is the savior lol. Denver is clearly a lot better than us. Boston has owned us for the past 6-7 years lol. We haven’t proven we can beat the Heat in a series either. Also can’t rule out Milwaukee and Phoenix as they have better top end talent than we do. If no major changes are made this team will be legit contenders, how exactly? Sure they might win 50+ games in the regular season, but there is nothing there to show me it won’t just be more of the same in May.


Never got the chance to respond to this. I'm not sure anyone is clearly better than anyone in the league right now. We had Boston on the ropes and let them off, and they clearly have issues with Brown and depth guys due to be paid, and something is definitely missing there. MIA had an incredibly charmed run to get to a finals where they were outclassed. MIL has got their own problems with an aging core making a lot of money.

I'm not worried about the teams in the West because we'll have reached a finals before we even have to think about that, but Denver had incredible luck health-wise and I need to see how PHX is even going to field an 8-9 player rotation at this point.

I'm assuming that Morey is going to address some roster issues like backup PG and shooting, but even if we stood pat, the presence of Nurse is a monster upgrade.

For one thing, he's going to give promising youth a chance, seeing if he can find potential contributors that are already in-house - Rivers had to be forced to give Maxey his shot, and Reed would never have seen the court except that his chosen guys were proven beyond cooked.

He will be far more flexible with regard to rotations, and will try different things scheme-wise on both ends. He will use the regular season as a laboratory as opposed to trying to pad his career W-L. He will bring a 21st century approach to a team that has been locked into an archaic, inflexible program for the last three years.

These are just obvious changes and differences, and while it guarantees nothing, it will certainly be a far different looking team come 2024.

[GutUNC]

Harden is gonna get 3 with a 4th PO, all eyes are on Tobias now.

Maybe you're right but with Phoenix out of the picture - where's his market? Houston has felt more like a smoke screen to me since December but outside of them, who would (A) have interest in him (B) have the cap to take him on and (C) be a place that Harden would be willing to play?

[76ersfan96]

Would y’all trade Maxey and Tobias for zion?
Harden- melton- zion-pj tucker- Joel

[FireMorey]

While Beal would’ve been a bad trade for the Sixers, he does have a skill set the Sixers currently lack. A guard who can create their own **** regularly. Harden doesn’t have that anymore. Harden is launch 3’s or drive and hope he gets fouled. The latter of which doesn’t get called in the playoffs as much which causes him to struggle.

The Sixers are going to need someone who can iso in big moments and get buckets. I guess they’re hoping Maxey is that guy.

As for the playoffs, I think people put too much value in it. The regular season is the bigger sample size, teams can get hot and go on runs in the playoffs. It doesn’t mean they’re definitively better than a team that doesn’t. Every year in the playoffs people get decency bias to the extreme.

[mksp]

Pretty frustrating that Harden is coming back.

[ProcessDoctor]

Would y’all trade Maxey and Tobias for zion?
Harden- melton- zion-pj tucker- Joel

I would trade Maxey for Kawhi, Siakam, or Trae before Zion. Zion has too many reasons to be unavailable and isn't focused on winning a championship at this stage of his career. Same thing goes for Ja.

[agiaco]

Pretty frustrating that Harden is coming back.

I don't see any scenario where the Sixers realistically field a team better without Harden than with him. Besides, his return is far from confirmed.

[ivysixer2000]

Would y’all trade Maxey and Tobias for zion?
Harden- melton- zion-pj tucker- Joel

I would trade Maxey for Kawhi, Siakam, or Trae before Zion. Zion has too many reasons to be unavailable and isn't focused on winning a championship at this stage of his career. Same thing goes for Ja.

Well I do think that's overvaluing Maxey for either Trae or Kawhi with Tobi. Now Siakam, perhaps, I do like that fit but I have my doubts as to getting him.

[Negrodamus]

Zion would turn this clown show into a full circus.

[ProcessDoctor]

It should be noted that last season Maxey missed 26 games, Harden missed 24, and Embiid missed 16. We still finished with the 3rd best record in the NBA. Were we in the Finals last season if those guys missed fewer games and we were #2 instead of #3? I don't know the answer to that and I'm not pretending to, but my point is the league is wide open right now and you can't let top-25 (20?) talent walk for nothing.

Every contending team needs to catch breaks (i.e. Denver was healthy for the first time in a long time, Miami played against an injured Giannis, Lakers made a helluva deadline trade). Retaining Harden keeps us in that conversation. The rest is improving on the margins with a Tobais trade, Nurse coaching, and catching other non-predictable breaks.

[seventy6ers]

Adding Zion is beyone stupid. Love the talent, but he never plays. Truthfully, we need to trade Tobias for a player like John Collins, Andrew Wiggins, Pascal Siakim and whatever attached.

[Jailblazers7]

There’s no way the Zion return would be that low, right? I get he’s a headcase with a horrible track record so far but he’s a legit top 10 player when on the court.