Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[Murray_17]

Losing freaking KCP does not drop Denver out of contender status lol

Not the player but the shooting, if you had a replacement that could keep the spacing, sure. As of right now the only above average shooter on the lineup is Porter and you play Jokic with Gordon.

They're gonna have a great seeding, but in the playoffs they're gonna get exposed if you pack the paint, which also would reduce Jokic passing ability.

Obviously, this is contingent on seeing if Braun can develop some spacing ability as a starter.

[jstross]

Why does Spotrac have a $0 cap hit for Bona in 24/25 season? I see a lot of rookies like that?

[FireMorey]

Shams says the Bucks interested in Gary Trent Jr, as well as other contenders. Can't let Doc get him. Bring him to Philly! PG and Maxey need to get their recruit game on.

[Arsenal]

Why does Spotrac have a $0 cap hit for Bona in 24/25 season? I see a lot of rookies like that?

Prob not updated yet. Once he signs the cap hit should be around $1.1m I believe.

[Ben]

Shams says the Bucks interested in Gary Trent Jr, as well as other contenders. Can't let Doc get him. Bring him to Philly! PG and Maxey need to get their recruit game on.

Their board is talking a bit about him and Lonnie Walker IV b/c they need more shooting and possibly a starting guard. I don't think they can offer starting minutes, as they have Lillard, Middleton, Prince, Giannis, and Lopez/Portis who presumably will get the starting spots. Unless they play Giannis at C, I guess, and use Middleton & Prince as their wings.

[ProcessDoctor]

Shams says the Bucks interested in Gary Trent Jr, as well as other contenders. Can't let Doc get him. Bring him to Philly! PG and Maxey need to get their recruit game on.

Their board is talking a bit about him and Lonnie Walker IV b/c they need more shooting and possibly a starting guard. I don't think they can offer starting minutes, as they have Lillard, Middleton, Prince, Giannis, and Lopez/Portis who presumably will get the starting spots. Unless they play Giannis at C, I guess, and use Middleton & Prince as their wings.

GTJ would definitely get the start over Prince.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Russell Westbrook getting bought out. Definitely Denver lol

[NearingZero]

So how much guaranteed money is on a standard contract at pick 41?

I don't know if there's a set standard. Browsing through Spotrac, it looks like a lot of the 4-year ones have the last 2 years non-guaranteed.

There actually is if you use the second round exception to sign a 2nd round pick. (Which we must have) It has to use the minimum salary scale per year, and you have to offer either a three year deal with a 3rd year team option or a 4 year deal with a 4th year team option.

The question was what is guaranteed though, not just the salary amounts. The Second Round Pick Exception part of the CBA does not say anything about guarantees specifically.

Looking at a few players that Spotrac lists as having non-guaranteed years and signed using the exception, I can find some corresponding reporting about their guarantees (or lack thereof).

Why does Spotrac have a $0 cap hit for Bona in 24/25 season? I see a lot of rookies like that?

Counts as $0 through July 31 per the new CBA. Presumably to let those 2nd round guys get signed quickly without hindering a team's free agency flexibility.

[ckchen]

I don't know if there's a set standard. Browsing through Spotrac, it looks like a lot of the 4-year ones have the last 2 years non-guaranteed.

There actually is if you use the second round exception to sign a 2nd round pick. (Which we must have) It has to use the minimum salary scale per year, and you have to offer either a three year deal with a 3rd year team option or a 4 year deal with a 4th year team option.

The question was what is guaranteed though, not just the salary amounts. The Second Round Pick Exception part of the CBA does not say anything about guarantees specifically.

Looking at a few players that Spotrac lists as having non-guaranteed years and signed using the exception, I can find some corresponding reporting about their guarantees (or lack thereof).

Interesting, I find that Spotrac doesn't always list accurate information, so I wasn't basing anything off of that. My reading of 3 yr deal with 3rd year option or 4 year deal with 4th year option, was that they essentially either had 2 or 3 years guaranteed (basically that the non-option years were guaranteed years) but I suppose it's possible that's not the case.

[M2J]

Russell Westbrook getting bought out. Definitely Denver lol

Not even going to lie, the absolute best winning situation for Westbrook is the Knicks. He totally fits that environment of what they have going on. I don't love Denver for him, seems like his career ends there,we because while it's ideal that he can play off of Jokic... He's not going to play well off the ball

[FireMorey]

Payne to the Knicks 1 year 3m

[76ciology]

Many view KJ Martin as a trade filler, but can he start for our team? Is there an "Aaron Gordon" to his defense and scoring? He shows potential as a rebounder, secondary rim protector, and versatile defender capable of guarding multiple positions. Additionally, his shooting is adequate enough that defenders can't just sag off him in the corner, where he shoots 40% on low volume.

To pace the game, I think he’d be fine starting, especially since we usually start strong and have enough talent with the big 3 and Oubre to mask KJ Martin’s deficiencies.

Maxey-Oubre-George-KJ Martin-Embiid

Off the bench, we’d have Eric Gordon, Ricky Council, and Caleb Martin playing back-ups for the 2-3-4 positions.

Lowry-Gordon-Council- Caleb Martin-Drummond

For finishing the game, we could deploy our version of a "death lineup" with Caleb Martin at the 2, Kelly Oubre at the 3, and Paul George at the 4.

Maxey-Caleb Martin-Oubre-George-Embiid

[LeonJordanJr24]

Many view KJ Martin as a trade filler, but can he start for our team? Is there an "Aaron Gordon" to his defense and scoring? He shows potential as a rebounder, secondary rim protector, and versatile defender capable of guarding multiple positions. Additionally, his shooting is adequate enough that defenders can't just sag off him in the corner, where he shoots 40% on low volume.

To pace the game, I think he’d be fine starting, especially since we usually start strong and have enough talent with the big 3 and Oubre to mask KJ Martin’s deficiencies.

Maxey-Oubre-George-KJ Martin-Embiid

Off the bench, we’d have Eric Gordon, Ricky Council, and Caleb Martin playing back-ups for the 2-3-4 positions.

Lowry-Gordon-Council- Caleb Martin-Drummond

For finishing the game, we could deploy our version of a "death lineup" with Caleb Martin at the 2, Kelly Oubre at the 3, and Paul George at the 4.

Maxey-Caleb Martin-Oubre-George-Embiid

Why not oubre off bench

[76ciology]

Many view KJ Martin as a trade filler, but can he start for our team? Is there an "Aaron Gordon" to his defense and scoring? He shows potential as a rebounder, secondary rim protector, and versatile defender capable of guarding multiple positions. Additionally, his shooting is adequate enough that defenders can't just sag off him in the corner, where he shoots 40% on low volume.

To pace the game, I think he’d be fine starting, especially since we usually start strong and have enough talent with the big 3 and Oubre to mask KJ Martin’s deficiencies.

Maxey-Oubre-George-KJ Martin-Embiid

Off the bench, we’d have Eric Gordon, Ricky Council, and Caleb Martin playing back-ups for the 2-3-4 positions.

Lowry-Gordon-Council- Caleb Martin-Drummond

For finishing the game, we could deploy our version of a "death lineup" with Caleb Martin at the 2, Kelly Oubre at the 3, and Paul George at the 4.

Maxey-Caleb Martin-Oubre-George-Embiid

Why not oubre off bench

Thats also possible with KJ Martin starting.

[LloydFree]

Many view KJ Martin as a trade filler, but can he start for our team? Is there an "Aaron Gordon" to his defense and scoring? He shows potential as a rebounder, secondary rim protector, and versatile defender capable of guarding multiple positions. Additionally, his shooting is adequate enough that defenders can't just sag off him in the corner, where he shoots 40% on low volume.

To pace the game, I think he’d be fine starting, especially since we usually start strong and have enough talent with the big 3 and Oubre to mask KJ Martin’s deficiencies.

Maxey-Oubre-George-KJ Martin-Embiid

Off the bench, we’d have Eric Gordon, Ricky Council, and Caleb Martin playing back-ups for the 2-3-4 positions.

Lowry-Gordon-Council- Caleb Martin-Drummond

For finishing the game, we could deploy our version of a "death lineup" with Caleb Martin at the 2, Kelly Oubre at the 3, and Paul George at the 4.

Maxey-Caleb Martin-Oubre-George-Embiid

Why not oubre off bench

Thats also possible with KJ Martin starting.

As presently constructed, K.J. Martin could definitely start for this team. He Rebounds. Looking at his numbers, he is nearly identical to Marcus Morris' Per36 and Advanced Stats, except Ft% and 3pt%. If KJ Martin is in the lab, and working on raising the corner 3 percentage to about 35%, he could easily start.

[mjkvol]

Many view KJ Martin as a trade filler, but can he start for our team? Is there an "Aaron Gordon" to his defense and scoring? He shows potential as a rebounder, secondary rim protector, and versatile defender capable of guarding multiple positions. Additionally, his shooting is adequate enough that defenders can't just sag off him in the corner, where he shoots 40% on low volume.

To pace the game, I think he’d be fine starting, especially since we usually start strong and have enough talent with the big 3 and Oubre to mask KJ Martin’s deficiencies.

Maxey-Oubre-George-KJ Martin-Embiid

Off the bench, we’d have Eric Gordon, Ricky Council, and Caleb Martin playing back-ups for the 2-3-4 positions.

Lowry-Gordon-Council- Caleb Martin-Drummond

For finishing the game, we could deploy our version of a "death lineup" with Caleb Martin at the 2, Kelly Oubre at the 3, and Paul George at the 4.

Maxey-Caleb Martin-Oubre-George-Embiid

Selling Caleb on coming off the bench for KJ might not be easy.

[zaz102]

Many view KJ Martin as a trade filler, but can he start for our team? Is there an "Aaron Gordon" to his defense and scoring? He shows potential as a rebounder, secondary rim protector, and versatile defender capable of guarding multiple positions. Additionally, his shooting is adequate enough that defenders can't just sag off him in the corner, where he shoots 40% on low volume.

To pace the game, I think he’d be fine starting, especially since we usually start strong and have enough talent with the big 3 and Oubre to mask KJ Martin’s deficiencies.

Maxey-Oubre-George-KJ Martin-Embiid

Off the bench, we’d have Eric Gordon, Ricky Council, and Caleb Martin playing back-ups for the 2-3-4 positions.

Lowry-Gordon-Council- Caleb Martin-Drummond

For finishing the game, we could deploy our version of a "death lineup" with Caleb Martin at the 2, Kelly Oubre at the 3, and Paul George at the 4.

Maxey-Caleb Martin-Oubre-George-Embiid

I agree, but selling Caleb on coming off the bench for KJ might not be easy.

I'm not anti-KJ, but what am I missing where he showed he could start. Last year, he shot 28.6% from 3. I don't remember him ever being the rim protecting rebounder you mentioned. Near the end of the year, he showed flashes of potential, but for most of the season, he couldn't really do much outside of dunking and made a bunch of mistakes while out on the court. He had chances when they running with a skeleton crew, he couldn't cement himself in the lineup.

He's young and athletic and still deserves an opportunity especially since he's going to be on the team anyway. But I'm not sure what he's done to warrant any serious consideration as a starting option at this point...

[Iscull]

I think KJ was a better fit next to Embiid than Tobi. Embiid needs to be paired with a high energy player who can rebound.

Seperately, KJ could easily play "Switch" defender on the wing with George or Caleb Martin.

[LloydFree]

Oubre can come off the bench or Start. It makes no difference. Oubre-CMartin: Oubre = Dunkers Spot, CMartin = Corner. CMartin-KJ Martin: CMartin = Corner, KJ Martin= Dunkers Spot. Oubre-KJ Martin: Oubre = Dunkers Spot, KJ = Corner.

[Iverson Armband]

I like the “idea” of KJ starting if he can get his act together. I don’t want Oubre staring, he’s best as a 6th man coming in reeking havoc.