If We Lose Our Pick....

[Embiid P]

I think we’re going to build our team like the Celtics did, keep trying to stay competitive while finding some role player gems without a full tank, shop Embiid and George for lottery picks like they did with KG and Pierce, and hope we luck into a second to third tier superstar like Tatum. Once that happens, everything would be set to start competing at the highest level again.

Sadly but rightfully, Billy King is no longer an NBA GM.

[sixers hoops]

If we lose our pick, I might be more interested in trading Maxey. The Sixers traded Jrue holiday at 23 because they just didn’t have the resources to build around him. We are in a similar situation with Maxey. Embiid’s knee is cooked and the “clean up” surgery will yield the usual results. How many years do we keep Maxey on a non-playoff roster?

If we lose our pick and Maxey is healthy next season, we probably don’t get a tough 5 pick next year. We will struggle to rebuild with no premium picks and our cap maxed on two guys that are cooked.

With Maxey, Grimes, and McCain, we have some perimeter players, but our front court is in bad shape. It’s difficult to see how to rebuild if we lose this pick and are losing another to Brooklyn, all while Embiid and PG are making $110+ million.

However, it would have to be an overpay for me to trade Maxey. There is a strong likelihood we lose a trade that sends out Maxey.

[M2J]

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If we lose our pick, I might be more interested in trading Maxey. The Sixers traded Jrue holiday at 23 because they just didn’t have the resources to build around him. We are in a similar situation with Maxey. Embiid’s knee is cooked and the “clean up” surgery will yield the usual results. How many years do we keep Maxey on a non-playoff roster?

If we lose our pick and Maxey is healthy next season, we probably don’t get a tough 5 pick next year. We will struggle to rebuild with no premium picks and our cap maxed on two guys that are cooked.

With Maxey, Grimes, and McCain, we have some perimeter players, but our front court is in bad shape. It’s difficult to see how to rebuild if we lose this pick and are losing another to Brooklyn, all while Embiid and PG are making $110+ million.

However, it would have to be an overpay for me to trade Maxey. There is a strong likelihood we lose a trade that sends out Maxey.

It benefits Maxey to be traded if Joel can't get right. However, next year should be an over pay. If Joel can stretch out another couple seasons actually on the court, then that should be the goal since Sixers don't have their 2027 pick.

If things look shaky early. Just pull the plug by new years for sure, and try to get as good a pick as possible.

2027 play it out without your pick and trade Maxey for sure by that summer considering he'd have 2 years before free agency and that makes him more valuable with that level of control. Go full rebuild at that point unless something breaks right unsurprisingly like Jalen or Grimes and Maxey become truly successfully potent or another pick breaks out.

They can sell hope the next 2 seasons.

[Mik317]

I have already begun to hate the middle of the lottery guys so I am already telling myself that it doesn't matter.

if we keep the pick I will begin to overhype the same prospects...

HOWEVA, regardless the plan should be the same...get younger, find cheap building blocks, and go from there. Regardless if Biid is able to play or not...that needs to be the plan imo. As for PG I really think he saw the writing on the wall and shut it down mentally waaay before he actually was shut down, I think he will have a somewhat return to semi form season if only to get moved back out west lol. I don't worry about his contract honestly.

Said it at the deadline, I think they actually started to make the correct decisions with all of the moves made, this second half of the season has simply been them getting the message to tank hard as **** lol

[sixers hoops]

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If we lose our pick, I might be more interested in trading Maxey. The Sixers traded Jrue holiday at 23 because they just didn’t have the resources to build around him. We are in a similar situation with Maxey. Embiid’s knee is cooked and the “clean up” surgery will yield the usual results. How many years do we keep Maxey on a non-playoff roster?

If we lose our pick and Maxey is healthy next season, we probably don’t get a tough 5 pick next year. We will struggle to rebuild with no premium picks and our cap maxed on two guys that are cooked.

With Maxey, Grimes, and McCain, we have some perimeter players, but our front court is in bad shape. It’s difficult to see how to rebuild if we lose this pick and are losing another to Brooklyn, all while Embiid and PG are making $110+ million.

However, it would have to be an overpay for me to trade Maxey. There is a strong likelihood we lose a trade that sends out Maxey.

It benefits Maxey to be traded if Joel can't get right. However, next year should be an over pay. If Joel can stretch out another couple seasons actually on the court, then that should be the goal since Sixers don't have their 2027 pick.

If things look shaky early. Just pull the plug by new years for sure, and try to get as good a pick as possible.

2027 play it out without your pick and trade Maxey for sure by that summer considering he'd have 2 years before free agency and that makes him more valuable with that level of control. Go full rebuild at that point unless something breaks right unsurprisingly like Jalen or Grimes and Maxey become truly successfully potent or another pick breaks out.

They can sell hope the next 2 seasons.

I can make a strong argument for trading Maxey, but keeping him is probably the smart long-term play. In five years we will likely have no players as good as him from the trade.

[HotelVitale]

Hmm y’all are thinking about the same long term issues I am, but I’m wondering why so much depends on whether or not we keep the pick? If it’s #4 or 5 we’ll get some nice upside player who probably won’t be legit good for a few years, if he ever is. That doesn’t impact the other stuff much.

Are people just saying it’d be a lot easier to think rebuild with another young guy? Or that vibes would be so trash if we lost the pick that we’d have to blow things up? Something else?

[ivysixer2000]

Hmm y’all are thinking about the same long term issues I am, but I’m wondering why so much depends on whether or not we keep the pick? If it’s #4 or 5 we’ll get some nice upside player who probably won’t be legit good for a few years, if he ever is. That doesn’t impact the other stuff much.

Are people just saying it’d be a lot easier to think rebuild with another young guy? Or that vibes would be so trash if we lost the pick that we’d have to blow things up? Something else?

If we lose the pick and run it back another season with no new hope, then it falls on McCain. Is he ready for that....probably not.

I figure if Jojo ain't ready (a man can hope), we will have to blow things up anyway. Currently constructed, this team will not win anything at all without Jojo and I don't figure he will be the same ever again other than scoring.

Only hope I have is young legs out of this draft to actually get a damn rebound or be dominant somewhere else on the court. At #5 I don't see that player, but earlier, I can see that.

We might lose this pick, but its more about perception of losing hope for the foreseeable future. We lose the pick, and this team will be looking at lottery balls for a long time.

[HotelVitale]

Hmm y’all are thinking about the same long term issues I am, but I’m wondering why so much depends on whether or not we keep the pick? If it’s #4 or 5 we’ll get some nice upside player who probably won’t be legit good for a few years, if he ever is. That doesn’t impact the other stuff much.

Are people just saying it’d be a lot easier to think rebuild with another young guy? Or that vibes would be so trash if we lost the pick that we’d have to blow things up? Something else?

If we lose the pick and run it back another season with no new hope, then it falls on McCain. Is he ready for that....probably not.

I figure if Jojo ain't ready (a man can hope), we will have to blow things up anyway. Currently constructed, this team will not win anything at all without Jojo and I don't figure he will be the same ever again other than scoring.

Only hope I have is young legs out of this draft to actually get a damn rebound or be dominant somewhere else on the court. At #5 I don't see that player, but earlier, I can see that.

We might lose this pick, but its more about perception of losing hope for the foreseeable future. We lose the pick, and this team will be looking at lottery balls for a long time.

That’s what I mean—what ‘falls on McCain’? Team leadership next year will fall 100% on Maxey/Embiid/PG, McCain probably won’t even start next year unless it’s a lost season again, and whatever happens he’s definitely not leading us to title contention. That’s a joke. Same for whoever is our pick, except with even lower expectations.

If next season is another disaster for Embiid/PG it will suck less if we have a prospect around but that won’t get us out of the long term bind we’re in.

[SixersSince82]

That’s what I mean—what ‘falls on McCain’? Team leadership next year will fall 100% on Maxey/Embiid/PG, McCain probably won’t even start next year unless it’s a lost season again, and whatever happens he’s definitely not leading us to title contention. That’s a joke. Same for whoever is our pick, except with even lower expectations.

If next season is another disaster for Embiid/PG it will suck less if we have a prospect around but that won’t get us out of the long term bind we’re in.

Hope. Long term hope.

Imo, the Joel era is over. So do we start a rebuild by adding a top 6 pick this draft or... lose it this year, and end up in the back half of the lottery next year.

[Iverson Armband]

Hmm y’all are thinking about the same long term issues I am, but I’m wondering why so much depends on whether or not we keep the pick? If it’s #4 or 5 we’ll get some nice upside player who probably won’t be legit good for a few years, if he ever is. That doesn’t impact the other stuff much.

Are people just saying it’d be a lot easier to think rebuild with another young guy? Or that vibes would be so trash if we lost the pick that we’d have to blow things up? Something else?

If we lose the pick and run it back another season with no new hope, then it falls on McCain. Is he ready for that....probably not.

I figure if Jojo ain't ready (a man can hope), we will have to blow things up anyway. Currently constructed, this team will not win anything at all without Jojo and I don't figure he will be the same ever again other than scoring.

Only hope I have is young legs out of this draft to actually get a damn rebound or be dominant somewhere else on the court. At #5 I don't see that player, but earlier, I can see that.

We might lose this pick, but its more about perception of losing hope for the foreseeable future. We lose the pick, and this team will be looking at lottery balls for a long time.

That’s what I mean—what ‘falls on McCain’? Team leadership next year will fall 100% on Maxey/Embiid/PG, McCain probably won’t even start next year unless it’s a lost season again, and whatever happens he’s definitely not leading us to title contention. That’s a joke. Same for whoever is our pick, except with even lower expectations.

If next season is another disaster for Embiid/PG it will suck less if we have a prospect around but that won’t get us out of the long term bind we’re in.

I have more confidence in McCain being a leader than either Embiid or George at this point.

[HotelVitale]

If we lose the pick and run it back another season with no new hope, then it falls on McCain. Is he ready for that....probably not.

I figure if Jojo ain't ready (a man can hope), we will have to blow things up anyway. Currently constructed, this team will not win anything at all without Jojo and I don't figure he will be the same ever again other than scoring.

Only hope I have is young legs out of this draft to actually get a damn rebound or be dominant somewhere else on the court. At #5 I don't see that player, but earlier, I can see that.

We might lose this pick, but its more about perception of losing hope for the foreseeable future. We lose the pick, and this team will be looking at lottery balls for a long time.

That’s what I mean—what ‘falls on McCain’? Team leadership next year will fall 100% on Maxey/Embiid/PG, McCain probably won’t even start next year unless it’s a lost season again, and whatever happens he’s definitely not leading us to title contention. That’s a joke. Same for whoever is our pick, except with even lower expectations.

If next season is another disaster for Embiid/PG it will suck less if we have a prospect around but that won’t get us out of the long term bind we’re in.

I have more confidence in McCain being a leader than either Embiid or George at this point.

Cool but McCain is absolutely not capable of ‘leading’ a good team. He’s a nice little player who might make an AS team at some pt (though I’d bet against it). Whoever we pick this year might have higher upside but also has no chance of leading the current team to contention in the next couple years.

I’ll stop repeating myself after this, just saying that coupling together our current Embiid/PG situation with this pick doesn’t make sense to me. I obviously hope we keep the pick but that’s not tied to the larger strategic issues.

(Just occurred to me—are most of you all holding out hope we get Flagg? Like keeping the pick to you means getting him?)

[zaz102]

That’s what I mean—what ‘falls on McCain’? Team leadership next year will fall 100% on Maxey/Embiid/PG, McCain probably won’t even start next year unless it’s a lost season again, and whatever happens he’s definitely not leading us to title contention. That’s a joke. Same for whoever is our pick, except with even lower expectations.

If next season is another disaster for Embiid/PG it will suck less if we have a prospect around but that won’t get us out of the long term bind we’re in.

I have more confidence in McCain being a leader than either Embiid or George at this point.

Cool but McCain is absolutely not capable of ‘leading’ a good team. He’s a nice little player who might make an AS team at some pt (though I’d bet against it). Whoever we pick this year might have higher upside but also has no chance of leading the current team to contention in the next couple years.

I’ll stop repeating myself after this, just saying that coupling together our current Embiid/PG situation with this pick doesn’t make sense to me. I obviously hope we keep the pick but that’s not tied to the larger strategic issues.

(Just occurred to me—are most of you all holding out hope we get Flagg? Like keeping the pick to you means getting him?)

The importance of the pick may depend on how you view the upcoming season/draft class.

1. They have a legitimate chance at Flagg and less excitingly Harper. These guys could be franchise altering players.

2. If you think they're going to be better next year (which I'm guessing most do), then you want to get the pick this year unless you think the middle-backend of the draft class next year is so much better than 3-6 this year.

If you think they're going to be worse next year, they you may as well give the pick up, but I think most believe they should be better even if Embiid doesnt play and PG plays the same as this year.

Truth is, unless you get one of the impact guys, it won't matter too much anyway, but you may as well hope for what give you the best odds.

[SixthStreet]

I think if Embiid can cobble together a Embiid like season and drag the team to contender status, George will follow suite and get mentally charged up to play at all star level. I'm of the opinion he just throttled it down because he realized there's no point. He knows he's not good enough himself (or with Maxey) to make a contender so why bother?

[ProcessDoctor]

That’s what I mean—what ‘falls on McCain’? Team leadership next year will fall 100% on Maxey/Embiid/PG, McCain probably won’t even start next year unless it’s a lost season again, and whatever happens he’s definitely not leading us to title contention. That’s a joke. Same for whoever is our pick, except with even lower expectations.

If next season is another disaster for Embiid/PG it will suck less if we have a prospect around but that won’t get us out of the long term bind we’re in.

I have more confidence in McCain being a leader than either Embiid or George at this point.

Cool but McCain is absolutely not capable of ‘leading’ a good team. He’s a nice little player who might make an AS team at some pt (though I’d bet against it). Whoever we pick this year might have higher upside but also has no chance of leading the current team to contention in the next couple years.

I’ll stop repeating myself after this, just saying that coupling together our current Embiid/PG situation with this pick doesn’t make sense to me. I obviously hope we keep the pick but that’s not tied to the larger strategic issues.

(Just occurred to me—are most of you all holding out hope we get Flagg? Like keeping the pick to you means getting him?)

I 100% agree, unless it's Flagg. If we get him, I think you can run this team back at least once to get a feel for how they fit together if healthy. If George/Embiid can't stay on the court, then you move forward building with Maxey/McCain/Flagg and whatever you can get for George/Embiid.

On the other hand, if it's #2-6, I think you're stuck with Embiid (for now) and move George for whatever smaller, tradable pieces you can get (would've loved the GSW package, but that ship has sailed). You can also consider packaging George and the pick (+ more for the right player) if you think there's a high probability Embiid will 60+ games ever again at a high level.

If we lose the pick...I don't even wanna think about it.

[76thBearCub]

Cool but McCain is absolutely not capable of ‘leading’ a good team. He’s a nice little player who might make an AS team at some pt (though I’d bet against it). Whoever we pick this year might have higher upside but also has no chance of leading the current team to contention in the next couple years.

I’ll stop repeating myself after this, just saying that coupling together our current Embiid/PG situation with this pick doesn’t make sense to me. I obviously hope we keep the pick but that’s not tied to the larger strategic issues.

(Just occurred to me—are most of you all holding out hope we get Flagg? Like keeping the pick to you means getting him?)

Just my opinion but I think you should consider that a lot of what you read on here is coming from the heart more than the brain. I know I post that way a considerable amount.

[the_process]

I fully expect this team to run it back and expect health and a different result (even if that's a terrible idea) whether they have the pick or not.

If they lose the pick, what I absolutely cannot see is Morey trading a bunch of future firsts for some almost washed vet like Durant.

Ok so Morey has now officially said Nurse is back and they expect everyone back healthy and ready to go in September.

Which means if they lose the pick, it is a completely wasted year.

Therefore, the expectation should be they either get at least to the Conference Finals, or Morey and Nurse should be fired and they clean house in the FO and on the roster.

[HotelVitale]

I fully expect this team to run it back and expect health and a different result (even if that's a terrible idea) whether they have the pick or not.

If they lose the pick, what I absolutely cannot see is Morey trading a bunch of future firsts for some almost washed vet like Durant.

Ok so Morey has now officially said Nurse is back and they expect everyone back healthy and ready to go in September.

Which means if they lose the pick, it is a completely wasted year.

Therefore, the expectation should be they either get at least to the Conference Finals, or Morey and Nurse should be fired and they clean house in the FO and on the roster.

Eh I’m fine with that but it feels like doing something to do something. Would bringing in another GM or coach make us more likely to reach the CF next year? Make us better at dealing with an injured Embiid/PG the year after?

Morey and Nurse might not want to be around for a rebuild so maybe, but it won’t give me any satisfaction to sacrifice them for a disaster season. Holding someone accountable for bad injury luck and failed gambles doesn’t necessarily make us any better in the future.

[the_process]

I fully expect this team to run it back and expect health and a different result (even if that's a terrible idea) whether they have the pick or not.

If they lose the pick, what I absolutely cannot see is Morey trading a bunch of future firsts for some almost washed vet like Durant.

Ok so Morey has now officially said Nurse is back and they expect everyone back healthy and ready to go in September.

Which means if they lose the pick, it is a completely wasted year.

Therefore, the expectation should be they either get at least to the Conference Finals, or Morey and Nurse should be fired and they clean house in the FO and on the roster.

Eh I’m fine with that but it feels like doing something to do something. Would bringing in another GM or coach make us more likely to reach the CF next year? Make us better at dealing with an injured Embiid/PG the year after?

Morey and Nurse might not want to be around for a rebuild so maybe, but it won’t give me any satisfaction to sacrifice them for a disaster season. Holding someone accountable for bad injury luck and failed gambles doesn’t necessarily make us any better in the future.

The injuries do ultimately fall on Morey for believing that Jo can actually stay healthy. Also his rep is going to start hurting them with players around the league.

It seems to me after spending a ridiculous amount of money and winning 24 games that he's down to his last chance to defy the odds or GTFO, regardless of what we thought about his moves at the time.

I feel this way about Morey even if they do keep the pick btw. They need to retool now on a longer timeline, and Morey won't do that.

Joel Embiid as a franchise player is done.

[Mik317]

Losing the pick would suck because there is a chance that this is the highest we will be in a long time and we owe future picks as well IIRC. The FO and coaching staff will be more likely to attempt more job saving moves as well...so at best we will be end of lottery bad instead of the top 5 bad we were this year imo.

[stormi]

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