Carney drawing trade interest?

9th Wonder · Post #21 » by **9th Wonder** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 6:11 pm

Fire BK wrote:a legitimate Pistons source.

Name/link?

Fire BK · Post #22 » by **Fire BK** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 6:21 pm

Can't disclose - sorry.... not playing games though.

But yes, the Pistons are among the teams that have interest in Carney. There are several other teams who have interest in him as well.

He dominated the 07 summer league in Vegas when he wasn't battling that nagging back injury. Granted, it's the summer league, but that caught many teams' attention.

Look, he's not going to net an Amir Johnson, but he has some value. He's cheap, and he has upside.

IglooKing2 · Post #23 » by **IglooKing2** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 6:29 pm

Interesting, if true. The Pistons have several expiring contracts that they could dump. I wonder if they'd be willing to take back Willie (a native son) along with Carney for one or two of those contracts.

sec-106 · Post #24 » by **sec-106** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:33 pm

Interest as opposed to flies.

34Charles · Post #25 » by **34Charles** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:38 am

However, Ed is legitimately still evaluating Carney. It was a foregone conclusion when Ed stepped in that Miller would be dealt. But he did his due diligence, and ultimately changed his mind on Miller, correctly. He's giving Carney the same benefit of a fair evaluation process. Also, there's no rush to ship Carney because his contract is harmless. So the organization is simply waiting for Carney to show something that warrants keeping him.

Is he really evaluating Carney??????.....the guy has seen no PT lately and hasn't entered the game tonight vs. the Raptors.

AI2TY5 · Post #26 » by **AI2TY5** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:54 am

Since Carney is drawing interest and Redick is drawing interest let's just trade RC for JJ straight up. Magic get a athletic player to play d on the wings and the Sixers get a one-dimensional shooter to comfort the heartbroken teenage girls who have been crying since Korver got traded!

PhilasFinest · Post #27 » by **PhilasFinest** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:14 am

Id much rather see Green go than Carney...

wishful thinking tho

Post #28 » by **tk76** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:56 am

How come the only team with junk to trade as bad as ours is... us?

We probably could trade WG for Carney. Or Carney + Green for Evans. Maybe we could find a third team... never mind.

UptownPhilly · Post #29 » by **UptownPhilly** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:02 am

tk76 wrote:How come the only team with junk to trade as bad as ours is... us?

We probably could trade WG for Carney. Or Carney + Green for Evans. Maybe we could find a third team... never mind.

I think the Knicks edge us in that category. They have a bunch of overpaid scrubs and quitters.

Post #30 » by **tk76** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:04 am

You are right. I almost pity NY fans- and then I remember they are also probably Yankee or Met fans. Thank the lord for Zeke.

Post #31 » by **The Guilty Party** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:09 am

We definitely have junk but our junk makes next to nothing hence it's not all that junky. I believe Evans could be moved for an expiring contract if Stefanski wanted to right now. I also would rather have the problem of being angry about Willie Green and his damn $3MIL per season than most of the contracts fans of other teams freak out about.

Louis Williams · Post #32 » by **Louis Williams** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:02 pm

dbodner wrote:
Yeah. He was average as a 22 year old senior in college. He's now hugely disappointing as a soon-to-be 24 year old player. He's never been great, on any level above high school, was overrated as a prospect, and has done nothing to change my opinion.

Carney was on the Conference USA all-freshman team. He made the Conference second team his junior year. He was the Conference USA player of the year as senior. He was one of the top players in the summer league last year.

If you don't like his game, that's one thing. But to make statements like he was overrated and he's never been great on any level above high school borders on hyperbole.

Post #33 » by **dbodner** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:24 pm

Carney was on the Conference USA all-freshman team. He made the Conference second team his junior year. He was the Conference USA player of the year as senior. He was one of the top players in the summer league last year.

He averaged 16 ppg on 40% shooting his junior year. 17 ppg on 43% shooting his senior year. If that's a "great" year for a 22 year old senior, I guess we have different standards. Even in college he was an amazingly athletic player who got points because of his athleticism and the tempo memphis played at, but struggled in the half court.

How can you argue that someone wasn't overrated, when they were drafted high and don't produce? Carney wasn't drafted as a project you have to wait 3-4 years on. He was drafted because they thought with his athleticism and experience he could contribute (not superstar, but contribute) right away.

by comparison, Derrick Byars senior year (17 ppg, 5 rpg, 3.4 apg, 46% shooting) blows Carney's senior year (17 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg, 43% shooting) away.

If being named to conference teams qualifies as "great", then we have different definitions of greatness. 40% shooting as a college junior is disgraceful.

Jay22 · Post #34 » by **Jay22** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:29 am

Well how about my Griz give you guys Casey Jacobsen's expiring contract and our 2nd Round pick. We'd love to have him.

9th Wonder · Post #35 » by **9th Wonder** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:04 am

IglooKing2 wrote:Interesting, if true. The Pistons have several expiring contracts that they could dump. I wonder if they'd be willing to take back Willie (a native son) along with Carney for one or two of those contracts.

Wouldn't that be nice...

Detroit is trying to stay under the tax level, if I remember correctly. So I think they'll probably let those contracts expire.

Samson · Post #36 » by **Samson** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:53 am

I heard Kobe wants to trade Carney for "Andrew F#$%(#! Bynum"

but that's neither here nor there

Louis Williams · Post #37 » by **Louis Williams** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:33 am

dbodner wrote:
How can you argue that someone wasn't overrated, when they were drafted high and don't produce? Carney wasn't drafted as a project you have to wait 3-4 years on. He was drafted because they thought with his athleticism and experience he could contribute (not superstar, but contribute) right away.

How do you know this? You're saying "they thought" like you've talked to someone in the front office?

It's his second year in the league. Young players struggle. He may or may not turn out to be a player. I'm just saying give him a chance.

by comparison, Derrick Byars senior year (17 ppg, 5 rpg, 3.4 apg, 46% shooting) blows Carney's senior year (17 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.3 apg, 43% shooting) away.

Blows it away? Are you serious?

Post #38 » by **tk76** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:46 am

I agree that Carney could become a decent player if he ever starts to let the game come to him, and dedicates himself to improving his shot and handle.

I just haven't seen anything to indicate he will be a good player before his current rookie contract expires. If he does end up good it will be as a late bloomer in his late 20's, and I doubt he will be a Sixer by then.

IglooKing2 · Post #39 » by **IglooKing2** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:08 am

9th Wonder wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Detroit is trying to stay under the tax level, if I remember correctly. So I think they'll probably let those contracts expire.

Detroit's only on the books for about $54m next year, well below the luxury tax threshold.

Post #40 » by **dbodner** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:18 pm

How do you know this? You're saying "they thought" like you've talked to someone in the front office?

When asked what Foye had that Carney didn't, Billy directly said upside. When talking about Carney, he talks about being a 4 year starter and defense. It doesn't take too much inferring.

http://www.nba.com/media/sixers/king_060628.mp3

It's his second year in the league. Young players struggle. He may or may not turn out to be a player. I'm just saying give him a chance.

This is a league that is based around quick recognition. Indiana recognizes Jermaine O'Neal is a player before he's proven himself, makes a risk, and gets the cornerstone of their franchise for a decade. The Clippers draft Olowokandi #1, wait, and wait, and wait for him to get it, and in the meantime he loses any value he would have had.

Rodney's 24 years old. He's not a young pup. I've seen enough basketball from him to feel fairly confident that his skills aren't there to be an impact player, and more importantly his mindset and basketball IQ isn't there. If you can find someone out there who still believes otherwise, and will overpay for Carney, I believe you absolutely have to move him.

Blows it away? Are you serious?

Yes.