Sixers Summer Is In Trouble Now

[Sixerscan]

Who wants to play in Memphis long-term anyway?!?!?!!?!

BB King?

[Howardmgm3]

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Memphis would laugh in our face.

Yup...

[cx09]

Do the Sixers HAVE to use their cap space this offseason?

Even if we sign a big name PF we still won't be big time contenders next year.

i feel like this is the unspoken alternative that people don't want to talk about because they can't bear the thought of another godawful season with this team.

but from everything stefanski is saying, it seems like he has a definite short-term plan. interesting to see what it'll be now.....

[The Guilty Party]

Which puts them at about 9.8 million in cap space, which is just about the exact same we have.

I thought that after the Korver trade we were somewhere around $12MIL. Is this wrong?

My concern isn't free agents but that Memphis will now be able to offer cap space, higher draft picks than us, and probably better young players in a trade this summer for a big name player.

Also of concern is that Memphis' roster has a huge hole at PF so they will most likely be targeting the same players as us. I wouldn't be shocked to see one more team make a deal before the deadline to get under the cap.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The Sixers still have more cap room officially right now

Not really. I just added up their committed salaries for next year (including values for the 5th and 20th pick, for their pick and the lakers pick) and they're sitting at about 48.2 million in salaries for next year. Which puts them at about 9.8 million in cap space, which is just about the exact same we have.

I forget where I read it, but I read official numbers that said the Sixers had slightly more. It wasn't my own opinion.

[philly262]

dabods, where did you get the numbers for the 5th and 20th pick?

On hoopshype it says that the 5th pick gets 3.1 and the 20th pick gets 1.2

And the 5th pick(Jeff Green) this year got 3.1, and our very own 20th pick Jason Smith got 1.2

[The Guilty Party]

According to Marc Stein... even though they will have cap space, the Grizz aren't a lock to use it due to the ownership issues the team may have.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime? ... -080202-03

What in the world is going on in Memphis?

The Grizzlies did get a good young prospect in Crittenton, two future first-rounders from the Lakers as well as the expiring contracts that will create significant salary-cap room this offseason.

However ...

The Grizz are already stocked at Crittenton's position and those picks aren't likely to be lottery picks, given the Lakers' new stature. And does anyone really expect Memphis to (a) spend that money this summer or (b) convince a major free agent like Gilbert Arenas or even Luol Deng to show legit interest in coming to Memphis (as opposed to leverage-creating interest) when its arena is half-empty and the long-term outlook is so uncertain?

Chances are we'll see summertime action from the Grizz only if owner Michael Heisley has sold the team by then ... and then who knows if new owners would even be keeping it in Memphis? In the interim, it's hard not to feel for the new braintrust tandem of coach Marc Iavaroni and general manager Chris Wallace, who you have to believe have been forced to take charge of a fire sale to make it easier for Heisley to sell the club.

[dbodner]

I forget where I read it, but I read official numbers that said the Sixers had slightly more. It wasn't my own opinion.

The Sixers currently have about $49 million in committed salaries for next year.

dabods, where did you get the numbers for the 5th and 20th pick?

On hoopshype it says that the 5th pick gets 3.1 and the 20th pick gets 1.2

And the 5th pick(Jeff Green) this year got 3.1, and our very own 20th pick Jason Smith got 1.2

http://www.nbpa.org/cba_exhibits/exhibitB.php

[philly262]

I forget where I read it, but I read official numbers that said the Sixers had slightly more. It wasn't my own opinion.

The Sixers currently have about $49 million in committed salaries for next year.

dabods, where did you get the numbers for the 5th and 20th pick?

On hoopshype it says that the 5th pick gets 3.1 and the 20th pick gets 1.2

And the 5th pick(Jeff Green) this year got 3.1, and our very own 20th pick Jason Smith got 1.2

http://www.nbpa.org/cba_exhibits/exhibitB.php

That link is a little predated, the 5th and 20th pick make a little bit more now.

[The Guilty Party]

This is sort of related but let's say we do a sign and trade with either Iguodala or Lou Williams... am I right in thinking that neither will have the BYC rules apply to them since we are under the cap???

If so, that does at least allow us to have as many options as possible without BYC rules impacting us.

[DaGoodz]

Lets just be honest right now...say the salary cap is the same...would a player chose to sign with big market Philly or small market Memphis...exactly.

Who would a FA like chances with more
Iguedala and a top 10 pick in Philly
Conley, Gay, a Top 5 pick in Memphis

There really isn't much difference.

[sports savant]

The Guilty Party!

great point on what Memphis will be targetting at the draft.... no question they need a 4 or 5 w the way the team stands now.

I also think that Mike MIller will be traded and/or Hakim Warrick. regardless, Griz aren''t done dealing.

your 2nd great point is the "competition' that they could create for the 76ers for the "Kurt Thomas" trade.....

so now Memphis will have a top 5 pick (or so), a #4pick in Conley, and what they see as a legit #1 option in Gay. They also got Crittenton (whom I think we'd all admit would be a tremendouls fit for us..) and now they got $10mill in cap space and they want "our" guy in the draft....

this sucks--even if we do trade Miller at this point, Memphis is still in a better situation (IMO).

[dbodner]

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That link is a little predated, the 5th and 20th pick make a little bit more now.

There's actually a little bit of wiggle room both ways, i believe 20%. So, the contracts can be as low as 80% of what's listed there, and as much as 120% of what's listed there. Jeff Green probably got a little bit more than 100% of that value, but that doesn't mean that the next #5 pick is guaranteed to do so. That's why I used what's listed there. It's not definite, but it's close.

[roseorbust]

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Who would a FA like chances with more
Iguedala and a top 10 pick in Philly
Conley, Gay, a Top 5 pick in Memphis

There really isn't much difference.

PSSSh
that's like saying who would a FA like to play with

Kobe
or
Dwight and Rashaad

Well if that's the whole team he might pick Dwight and Rashaad, but since it's really a choice between

Kobe Gasol Bynum Odom Fisher
Or
Dwight Shad Turkoglu Redick and Nelson

You can't just isolate one or 2 elements.

The question is really

Who would a free agent like to play with
Igoudala and a top 10 pick and Thaddeus Young and Samuel Dalembert and Andre Miller and Reggie Evans as his backup and a good GM and a great city, and a good market for ads and additional revenue
or
Conley Gay a top 5 pick mike miller and Darko In a small city were the GM just traded his star player for a penny on the dollar and the team is rumored to be for sale.

I don't know about you, but I pick Philadelphia in the Situation.

[DaGoodz]

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They said the same thing about Utah a couple years ago
and they signed Boozer and OKur and would've signed Magette if the Clippers didn't match the offer sheet.
Money talks in the NBA

[LieCheatSteal]

I actually think this is great news for the Sixers. Because the balance of power has shifted in the West with this deal, a lot of teams there will have to make a move as well and might overpay for a player or two on the Sixers like Andre Miller. The Sixers might be able to get a better yield back for Miller other than the Jason Williams one that's currently on the table.

[tk76]

This big/small market thing is overhyped.

It makes a difference when you are talking huge media centers like NYC or LA or the lifestyle in Miami.

It also hurts some middle of nowhere places like Utah (no bars, clubs, diversity.)

I doubt it makes a big difference between everywhere else. Memphis, Houston, Philly, Boston, GS ect are all probably on the same playing field.

[philbe311]

The Gasol trade ruined us. Not that we didn't get Gasol (didn't want him anyway) but Memphis is going to have around the same cap room we do. Now we must TRADE MILLER NOW, so we can get more cap then they do so we can offer more moneyto FA. Now we have competition this summer and that was one thing I was hoping wasn't going to happen.

What free agent is worth more money than we can currently spend? In my opinion there isn't one max-type player available this summer... I sure as hell wouldn't overpay for the majority of this summer's free agent crop...

[UptownPhilly]

I agree. If we have to give any of the free agents this summer a max contract, we should just look elsewhere, or save our money.

[sports savant]

LIeCheatSteal (Mr Guerrero),

It could very well mean what you said-- some other western teams (hellooo Dallas) might feel they need to pull a move. Tony Parker is out indef too-- but noone talks about the Spurs bein in trouble. No Barry, No Parker and they're only 3 games ahead of 10th place!!

You got JKIDD, BIBBY and the kids from SEATTLE.

ya got DALLAS, CLEVE, ORLANDO, SPURS, DENVER, BOSTON, & HOUSTON all come to my mind.... as peeps who might go for a PG.

i'd love for JKIDD to get traded tomorrow: that IMO would put even more emphasis on teams to make a move...