OT: Biiby traded to ATL

[The Sixer Fixer]

I will be real upset if we got a similar return on Miller if we move him. As far as who's worth more, I think the Hawks saw Bibby as worth more to thir team for 2 key reasons...

1 - By trading expiring to us for Miller, they would have easily given us the cap room to try and steal Josh Smith away from them (with a max or close to max offer). I highly doubt the Hawks would have ever considered a similar deal with us for Miller.

2 - Based on the make up the Hawks team, having another player who can stretch the D to the 3pt line is critical. I don't think Miller would have been as good of a fit as Bibby is for them.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

What hurts the Kings so much is that even if Artest opts out, they'll only have about the MLE in cap space. (4.5 mill under). So it's about the same as not having made the move at all.


But I like the move for the Kings none the less, they've moved signifcantly forward in the youth process while getting a guard that can teach Udrih some things. Will Artest be next to go? I think he will go in a similar deal to this one from the Hawks.

Why? Only 4 mill under, they can't acquire anyone big. They would like to get a good deal from a team. I think we can give them a good offer.(Green, great offensive plug off the bench, carney can run) that package is looking more possible.

[Mahorn at the 4]

Does the Bibby trade, and taking on his salary, reduce the likelihood that the Hawks re-sign Smith?

[The Guilty Party]

I don't know about Smith but probably Childress.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Does the Bibby trade, and taking on his salary, reduce the likelihood that the Hawks re-sign Smith?

Not sure why it would. If Bibby doesn't opt-out, they will only have one year where they are well over the cap, then Bibby expires. I see very little chance the Hawks would re-sign Bibby after next season (unlikely Bibby would want to sign there anyhow).

[sports savant]

the Hawks will keep Smith-- its Josh Childress who is more likely to be let go.

the sixer fixer is 100% right

this is a perfect low risk trade for Atlanta: they needed an experienced PG who can also shoot 3's. Now the injury bibby is returning from is a variable, but Atlanta didnt give up much. Shelden Williams isnt going to play for Atlanta anyway.

[sec-106]

Great deal for ATL.

[sports savant]

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Not sure why it would. If Bibby doesn't opt-out, they will only have one year where they are well over the cap, then Bibby expires. I see very little chance the Hawks would re-sign Bibby after next season (unlikely Bibby would want to sign there anyhow).

right again my friend.

Bibby probably wont opt out, so AC Law gets another year of apprenticeship.

Then Atlanta gets a $14mill expiring going to trade deadline in 2009.

They have plenty of $$$$ to sign Josh Smith (he can get slightly more than Iggy type $$$ i think)

then they can use the MLE on Childress if he's about it....

if not, they still got Marvin Williams and then Law coming off the bench

[Johnny Broad-Street]

Bibby may end up even more damaged than he is, and have to sign somewhere for less money anyway. I think the guy is cooked, personally...but I could be wrong.

[sixerguy]

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right again my friend.

Bibby probably wont opt out, so AC Law gets another year of apprenticeship.

Then Atlanta gets a $14mill expiring going to trade deadline in 2009.

They have plenty of $$$$ to sign Josh Smith (he can get slightly more than Iggy type $$$ i think)

then they can use the MLE on Childress if he's about it....

if not, they still got Marvin Williams and then Law coming off the bench

J Smith was the 16th pick Igs was the 9th, Dala can get paid more.

hawks have bird right's to childress so they don't need to use their mle on him (they can go over the cap with bird rights).

[The Sixer Fixer]

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J Smith was the 16th pick Igs was the 9th, Dala can get paid more.

Where the two of them were picked has nothing to do with how much $$ they can get. I think the point he was making is Smith will command more $$ based on level of play and their situations.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

The only question on that is how much luxury tax do you want to spend to keep a guy like Childress.

[Sixersftw]

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Where the two of them were picked has nothing to do with how much $$ they can get. I think the point he was making is Smith will command more $$ based on level of play and their situations.

I'm pretty sure your 2nd contract does rely on how much your initial contract was for. thats why iguodala has one max and a player on his 3rd contract has another.

[The Sixer Fixer]

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I'm pretty sure your 2nd contract does rely on how much your initial contract was for. thats why iguodala has one max and a player on his 3rd contract has another.

As far as I know, your 2nd contract has nothing to do with your first contract amount.

Years in the league is the key when determining what players are eligible to receive (max wise). Both Smith and Iguodala were drafted the same season so they both have the same # of years in the league and thus are eligible for the same max amount contract.

[Sixerscan]

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I'm pretty sure your 2nd contract does rely on how much your initial contract was for. thats why iguodala has one max and a player on his 3rd contract has another.

Neither of them are getting the max so it doesn't really matter if that's true or not.

[sports savant]

thanks for the Bird Right point (if its true). and i made a mistake thinkin Smith could get more, for some reason I thought Atlanta drafted him #5...

me aculpa (my fault for my spanish speaking posters) lol

if there even is a difference in what they are "allowed" to get, its pretty un-important to the crux of the thread which is Atlanta will easily be able to sign Josh Smith....

childress-- if they really want him & THE MARKET is favorable to the Hawks, he can find a way to stay...

[CinciSixersFan]

Here's a couple of thoughts that I haven't heard anyone mention:

#1, Does Atlanta's acquisition of Bibby put pressure on Easy Ed to make am move?
Until recently the Sixers didn't think of themselves as a playoff team, but going into the break they are as hot as anyone in the East. Of course Atlanta getting Bibby solidifies their chances. We've seen teams the leaders in theWest try to out trade one another to stay competitive, is Ed going to feel similar pressure to get into the playoffs or does he just ride it out as he has talked about previously?


#2, Regarding Miller's value vs. Bibby's value
In this market, where all-stars are being traded for expiring contracts and future draft picks, in the last month Miller is playing better than any point guard in the league. Does he have any more value than Bibby, since he is coming off a major injury? Obviously this would impact Ed's decision on making a deal and I'm guessing if the market value doesn't go up, we'll see Dre in a Sixers uni for this season and next. Hopefully he has Ron-Ron by his side.

[freshie2]

1) Maybe a little, but I think they still will be consistent in their approach. This franchise has more long term than short term goals.

2) Miller should have more value now than Bibby d/t the injuries...a few years ago, Bibby is hands down more valuable than Miller, but Miller is playing better than Bibby now and Bibby has huge injury question marks.

[sec-106]

Agree with above.

My guess is ATL offered the same (more or less) deal to Ed and he passed.

[sec-106]

Agree with above.

My guess is ATL offered the same (more or less) deal to Ed and he passed.