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Post#21 » by IggyTheBEaST » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:31 am

freshie2 wrote:Biedrens to me, is the most obtainable with a big deal...I don't think GS will match, but the Sixers probably would have to over pay. 22 year old 7'er who is averaging right around 10/10 now is probably worth the risk.

Blatche is a nice prospect, but is under contract for another year or two I believe....could have had him instead of LW a few years ago, but I don't think he's going anywhere now.


I like Biedrens because he is playing center right now but I think he could play with Daly
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Post#22 » by freshie2 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:21 am

I think he could play next to Daly as well...could live with Miller/Iguodala/Young/Biedrens/Dalembert as the starters next season. Gives you a bench of Williams/Green/Carney/Evans/Smith + draft pick.
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Post#23 » by tk76 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:25 am

We could trap 48 minutes with that deep, athletic squad- but we would really need to have Thad step up and be our scorer in the post.
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Post#24 » by freshie2 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:32 am

Yes...it's flawed, but still an upgrade. The key with that lineup would be hitting the mid range jumper off of penetration...unless Sam develops a jump hook. Each of those turn around jumpers he got blocked/contested, I'm thinking 'shoot a hook'. There's his big man coaching...develop a hook shot from about 10' in.
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Post#25 » by LieCheatSteal » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:12 am

I still think that Charlie V would work here. I really liked him as a player in Toronto and could be had cheap.
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Post#26 » by Sandalf42 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:19 pm

Tyrus Thomas?!?!?!

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He is not an NBA player. He is an incredibly athletic track star. He has nothing resembling skill at all. He's mind blowingly fast. He can jump out of the gym. But he can't play.
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Post#27 » by The Guilty Party » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:53 pm

One thing that makes me really intrigued about obtaining Thomas is what else is going on in Chicago. Aaron Gray apparently got into it with his coach. We know Noah got suspended by the Bulls for stepping out of line and now Chris Duhon has gotten in trouble for having issues with the team. It's obvious the Bulls coaching and front office does not have control of that team and that things are really bad. Hell, even Ben Wallace who was a model team player in Detroit became "the bad guy" in Chicago. Thomas has said anything out of line this year and missed a practice due to "personal reasons". Apparently the Bulls were extremely worried because Thomas is EARLY to practice all the time and doesn't miss them. I'm really questioning how much of these issues are on these players and not on whatever the hell is going on in Chi-Town.

If he doesn't cost and arm and leg, I think I would going after the freakish athlete and see if a stable environment can't get him to harness that amazing talent.
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Post#28 » by tk76 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:56 pm

I agree with your take on it TGP.

It will be a tougher issue to decide what the kid is worth when his contract is up (and he will have a gigantic cap hold.) Hopefully he figures it out before his rookie contract expires.
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Post#29 » by The Guilty Party » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:00 pm

He has 2 more years before that time comes. If he's still the same player at that point, then I certainly wouldn't pay him much. However, I would like to see if Thomas can make some progress if he's put into an environment where young players have improved. For whatever reason, Chicago's coaching staff/front office do not seem to be able to develop any of their young talent.

Look at Tyson Chandler. He as a decent young player in Chicago who got injured a couple of times but he certainly didn't take off until after he got to New Orleans.

Chicago didn't develop Jamal Crawford or Eddy Curry although it's debatable as to how good they are/will become.

Luol Deng was supposed to become a star this year, right? Even before he got injured he seemed to take a step back this season. Ben Gordon is pretty much the same streaky shooter he was when he entered the league out of UConn and hasn't added anything to his game.

Kirk Hinrich seemed well on his way to becoming a top PG in the NBA and now look at how he's done this season? At one point he was moved to SG in order to try and get him on track.

If you look at Tyrus Thomas' situation by itself, it's easy to come away and say the kid is a mess and won't develop. But I do believe that if you look at the whole picture of what's going on and has been going on in Chicago then I think you might come away with the hope that a change of scenery could help launch this kid's career. There are a lot of things I don't like about Thomas but I do like that he's kept his mouth shut since the Dunk Contest Debacle and that the media has reported that the kid is early to practice every day.
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Post#30 » by freshie2 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:29 am

Thomas looks pretty good tonight...showing some range. Still scares me, but he's being effective so far against Utah.
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Post#31 » by The Guilty Party » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:33 am

He does look pretty good tonight with his range so far stepping out to 20 feet. Villanueva had yet another solid night as well with 24 and 16 but it was of course in another Bucks' loss.
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Post#32 » by HOTCARL_o » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:19 am

Chicago fan here, Tyrus is still a mystery but when he steps on the court he shows promise. He's improved his jump shot, free throw shooting and is trying to work on moves in the low post. He is an awesome weak side blocker and a decent rebounder. He is definitely a PF, watching him play SF is horrible. He can change a game with shot blocks and a big play to energize the team. Why he isn't playing is mind boggling to Bulls fans.
I understand when Wallace was here we were just showcasing him to see if a team will bite for a trade. But now, even when Gooden is doing crappy he still doesn't see the floor. I believe he missed practice out of frustration because he wasn't seeing any minutes. Tyrus is expecting to get 20-30 minutes a night after the trade and hasn't been getting them consistenly. I think our coach has his own agenda and wants a coaching gig next season with another team. Boylan thinks if he plays the vets more we can make the playoffs and it will boost his resume. Tyrus just needs to mature and take these conflicts with stride.
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Post#33 » by thabolosha » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:26 pm

tyrus is a beast and anyone who tries to compare him to stromile swift is an idiot. the problem lies within the organization and coaching staff NOT thomas. when he gets minutes he produces. his best game this year i think was against denver. he's worked on his jumpshooting and midrange game and itz improved dramatically from last season. he's also learned to played within himself and under control which comes with playing time as well. this summer should be telling of how good he can be. if he can put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and develop somewhat of a low post game, i say watch out. all of this nonsense about missing practice is a bunch of crap. i would have skipped practice too if drew gooden was getting more burn than me. anyway i think tt is resilient i.e. utah game. only getting 14 minutes and getting 10 pts. 5 boards is nice besides the fact that clown jimbo played gooden 44 minutes like the idiot that he is.

so with that i really think he's gonna do well in chicago if 1) this organization gets itz head out itz butt and puts together a championshiop team 2) blows up the coaching staff and hire people that know how to coach and develop guys 3) if tt puts in the work to become a great nba player
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Post#34 » by Cookin Baskets » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:57 pm

Tyrus Thomas isn't going to be anymore then a lil better then stromile swift yea i said it, dumass bulls should of kept Lamarcus Alridge you can see how mature and how much better his work ethic is and much of a better career he is going to have.
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Post#35 » by Johnny Broad-Street » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:00 pm

I agree. I think he may just have too much improvement to make...then again people said that about J.O. when he was young
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Post#36 » by HINrichPolice » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:50 pm

I saw several misconceptions stated in this thread.

1) Tyrus has no half court skills

Not true. His spot up jumper has become reliable out to 20 ft. He's not afraid to shoot it and can knock it down when open. His form is great as long as he has time to square up.

He's also a decent interior passer. He's capable of having several assists on any given night.

His baby hook has improved. He's comfortable using a spin move in the post. Overall, he's not a reliable post threat, but there's no need to think that with him in the lineup, you'll be playing 4 on 5 on offense.

2) Tyrus is a problem/cancer

I simply don't agree with this. His heart has always been in the right place, free money comments or not.

His minutes have been jerked around as much as any high pick. He has proven to be effective on the court of extended periods of time, yet he still can't find consistent minutes. As someone mentioned (TGP?), this is a problem for almost all our younger players. Vets have unfairly been getting minutes the entire year which is the root cause for the decmiation of a once strong team culture.

Tyrus is simply a young kid that wants to do well and has been relatively professional considering his age and the unfairness in which minutes have been given.


Most importantly, Tyrus has an elite level skill - help defense. There aren't many players that can get the blocks that he gets. He's an absolute game changer when he's given the opportunity to roam and defend penetrators.
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Post#37 » by Dieselbound&Down » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:09 pm

I wanted to weigh in with the other Bulls fans.

There are a lot of what I consider misconceptions in this thread. But expected ones from someone who doesn't see the team play every day as his minutes have been very sporadic and his headlining comments dumb.

Tyrus has a high motor and spontaneous personality. This with his lack of maturity and sophistication leads him to occasionally do and say dumb things. These outbursts get the broader exposure but day to day you don't feel a bad vibe coming out of him other than frustration at his lack of court time. He seems to be calming down and mentally improving his focus and comfort level on the court.

This year on the court he has been much less of a the explosive dunker that was seen last year. I think that has to do with the team generally being much more selfish and the fact that Tyrus has played significant stretches at SF on the perimeter where he is clearly not comfortable or skilled enough to be effective offensively. His jumper is now reliable although not great, but a significant upgrade over his attempts last year. He clearly worked hard on this aspect. He is aggressive with the ball and shows much improved footwork facing guys up and with his back to the basket doing a pivot and/or jump hook. He will never be smooth enough to be a true go to player but, if against the right player, he has shown the mindset and ability to dominate with the ball in his hand. A game a month ago against Golden State he took over in the 4th quarter scoring 13 points as the team scored on 9 of its last 10 possessions. They dumped to ball to him in the post and he repeatedly took Matt Barnes off the dribble. It was his show.

On defense he is about as can be expected. His footwork on the ball is generally very good and he has elite quickness to guard men out on the perimeter. He also has elite jumping ability leading to lots of blocks off the ball especially. He tends to go for fakes guarding his man and has trouble bodying up without fouling right now. Consequently, he sometimes allows his guy to make a move unmolested and play for the block. This is effective against the poorer players but not good against better players. He has a lot of work to do to be great but he has an aggressive style, a super motor and shown the desire to get better.

Overall, he is definitely a work in progress. As advertised coming out of college. I would agree with those that say he has so much improvement still to do that it is heavily against the odds that he'll ever be a franchise player offensively. He has improved dramatically in what he can reliably do, though, and if given 30 minutes a night there is no reason he shouldn't be averaging at least 15 ppg in the near future given the variety of ways he scores. His defense could be extraordinary but he still needs to improve technique and put on some weight. As a teammate, I wouldn't characterize him as a cancer but he can be volatile, he is hyper competitive and he is still immature.

As for trading him, I don't think you'll see the Bulls trade him unless it is part of a package for an established star or rising superstar quality player. Two more years he'll be under contract. As a Bulls fan I just hope management turns him loose and hopes he reaches some of his potential so he doesn't become the next Chandler.
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Post#38 » by The Guilty Party » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:20 pm

Thanks to the Bulls' fans for chiming in on this thread. Obviously it's hard to evaluate a player that I/we don't see or follow on a nightly basis.

From what I gather from this thread and the threads on the Bulls Forum, Ty Thomas is a fan favorite who seems to getting shafted when it comes to gaining any level of consistency in the minutes department. I also doubt that the Bulls will deal him because Paxson seems reluctant to part with any of the young Bull players.
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Post#39 » by Skates » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:15 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Thanks to the Bulls' fans for chiming in on this thread. Obviously it's hard to evaluate a player that I/we don't see or follow on a nightly basis.

From what I gather from this thread and the threads on the Bulls Forum, Ty Thomas is a fan favorite who seems to getting shafted when it comes to gaining any level of consistency in the minutes department. I also doubt that the Bulls will deal him because Paxson seems reluctant to part with any of the young Bull players.


Paxson has waited so long to make a big trade that he has de-valued a lot of his younger players around the league. That team was primed with tons of young, cheap talent that everyone loved. By waiting he has had the team go through a year where guys like Gordon and Deng are no longer cheap options, Hinrich and Thomas have seen their reputations drop, Duhon has become persona non grata. Sefalosha is the only young player who has really stepped forward this year, Nocioni is a nice player, but not quite so cheap any more and its too early to tell on Noah and Gray. The Bulls really need to dump Paxson before that team will improve, he is too gun shy after the Wallace debacle. Oh, and from the team that drafted him, we apologize deeply for Larry Hughes.
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Post#40 » by The Guilty Party » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:36 pm

I completely agree, Skates. I still find it amazing that we have seen as many big names (Iverson, Garnett, Kidd, Ray Allen, Shaq, Marion, and Gasol) move over the past 14 months and the Bulls weren't involved in any of those trades. A year ago, they were LOADED with great assets (young players, nice draft picks, manageable salaries) are now they have a group of players who are still nice but suddenly they are approaching a point where upside does not outweigh their salary.

Paxson has quickly gone from being regarded as a great GM to be a step above the likes of McHale, Chris Wallace, and Isiah. If he doesn't do something this summer with that team.... I think it may be time to lump him into that group.

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