The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

is1531 · Post #201 » by **is1531** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:19 pm

I would not trade for Melo. The cost would be too high. Ideally, we need a a player like Amare, but we will not have a high pick in the near future, so we will be stuck in the middle of the pack for years. The 76ers made a big blunder in the 2010 draft. They started like gangbusters picking the right player in Turner, then packed it in for the rest of the night, when they should have positioned themselves to deal for Larry Sanders.

corwin · Post #202 » by **corwin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:13 pm

SJSF wrote:Goes to show, that Iggy will get moved if possible. I think its funny when statements are made that some guys aren't going to be moved, and then all of a sudden this happens. Everyone knows this team is not a good team. We have some pieces that need to be moved. As is this team might win 40 wins at most. And most of our money is wrapped up into average players. Brand and Iggy. Anytime managment says guys won't get moved, tells me that they are either lying or just bad managment. Unless you have a Kobe, everyone is tradeable.

Seems like the first time we've heard this from SF76. He has been adamant that Thad is going & Iggy is staying. Common sense tells you that a maxed-out, 27 win team with few non-rookie scale assets has to explore all options.

ZarcMumoff · Post #203 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:26 pm

-If we can get Melo without giving up Turner/Holiday I would do it in a millisecond. Just saying, but I think Iguodala would play very well with a PG like Billups. Not that Iguodala is equal to Melo, but I think Iguodala could be very good with Billups.

-I think the Suns would jump over Iguodala/Speights (If money works) for Amare.

I still think nothing happens, and we go into next season with this same roster.

thaddeusyoungin · Post #204 » by **thaddeusyoungin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:51 pm

Everyone saying we can't get Melo and we'd have to give up Turner for him are wrong. You need to remember he becomes a free agent after the 2010-2011 season which greatly diminishes his trade value. He could be a 1 year rental for all we know. You also never get fair value in a trade for a superstar.

philly10 · Post #205 » by **philly10** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:11 pm

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:You over-value Iguodala. You think Iggy can play 2 guard? Not a chance. With no handles, no long-range jumper and no first step to speak of, he's plainly SUCKED AT IT.

That's why Evan Turner's a sixer, because Iguodala can't play 2 guard. And because he's not a 2nd option. Some have opininated that Iguodala could be a good 2nd option.

Pao Gasol
Antawn Jamison
PP/Ray Allen
Chris Bosh

Are some of the premier 2nd/3rd options in the league, and I think they're a hell of alot better then Iguodala

Dear Sir,

As a general rule, other than the point guard position, you label the player with the position he can DEFEND. Can Iguodala effectively guard most 2's in the league? If the answer is yes, therefore he can play the two. As a coach or general manager, you try to put players on the court with offensive skill sets that compliment one another regardless of their defensive position on the court.

I do agree however that Iguodala's offensive skill set leads him to be best used as a 2nd ball handling and 3rd scoring option for a quality team.

Thank you very much for your time and have a good day,
Philly10

Bring Back 1983 · Post #206 » by **Bring Back 1983** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:15 pm

thaddeusyoungin wrote:Everyone saying we can't get Melo and we'd have to give up Turner for him are wrong. You need to remember he becomes a free agent after the 2010-2011 season which greatly diminishes his trade value. He could be a 1 year rental for all we know. You also never get fair value in a trade for a superstar.

I think your first observation is important because it happens in baseball all the time where a guy gets traded with one year left on his contract for limited value (but enough about Cliff Lee). I would hope though that we are allowed to reach out to Melo's agent to get an idea of how ridiculous his requests are (like does he want a max contract plus a no-trade clause) so we know what we're getting into.

bballin76 · Post #207 » by **bballin76** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:20 pm

I'm not sure I like Melo here. Just not a fan of his game. Yes, he's a great scorer, but the rest of his game doesn't stand out to me. I'd rather keep Iguodala for now.

is1531 · Post #208 » by **is1531** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:25 pm

How does Melo get us a forward or center in the future? It sounds like he can possibly get us a ist round win. I don't care about that. I want the focus to be on a center or PF. We have depth at the SF. I think the only serious way of landing a quality PF or possibly a center would be to get right back into the lottery. This team needs another top 5 pick for the last time. :lol:

dond · Post #209 » by **dond** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:04 pm

bballin76 wrote:I'm not sure I like Melo here. Just not a fan of his game. Yes, he's a great scorer, but the rest of his game doesn't stand out to me. I'd rather keep Iguodala for now.

I absolutely agree. I consider Melo a one-dimensional player .... shooter.

Post #210 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:22 pm

philly10 wrote:Dear Sir,

As a general rule, other than the point guard position, you label the player with the position he can DEFEND.
...
Thank you very much for your time and have a good day,
Philly10

I had never heard of this rule before, but it explains why everyone seems to be saying Al Jefferson isn't a Center and why he isn't a PF. Same with David Lee.

corwin · Post #211 » by **corwin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:18 pm

Maybe we should consider that Stefanski is talking with Denver as part of a deal that wouldn't bring Melo to Philly but maybe to NY or NJ. Don't know if I should start a thread but consider if Melo tells Denver that he is not re-signing since the core is mediocre & that he wants to go to NY or NJ with the other stars. Denver doesn't want to become the next (I know it's too soon) Cleveland or Toronto & they want to maximize return. IMO this would include at a minimum a good young player (Iggy), a rookie contract player with upside (Speights) & a pick. Then Carmelo is flipped to NJ (rights to Favors & Williams/Lee) as they are under the cap. They could still sign a max FA. Carmelo could also be flipped to NY with Brand (Galinari & Curry's expiring). NY could also still sign a max FA. I know this is speculation & maybe belongs on the trade board but I see Philly as having the pieces to facilitate this type of deal. In one deal we would get a better fit for the team & flexibility. In the other we would get a good fit & lose Brand. Ed would lose his stiff status if he could pull this off.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #212 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:26 pm

I don't know about the flipping Melo thing. I think we would try and keep him around so that we could sell tickets and win.

51X3RF4N · Post #213 » by **51X3RF4N** » Thu Jul 1, 2010 12:56 am

"MO this would include at a minimum a good young player (Iggy), a rookie contract player with upside (Speights) & a pick. Then Carmelo is flipped to NJ (rights to Favors & Williams/Lee) as they are under the cap."

So NJ gives up Favors and Lee/Williams for Melo? Why couldn't they just do that instead. Denver would get a ton of freed up cap space and a great young PF to pair with Ty Lawson. Why would they need Iggy and Speights over Favors and Williams?

corwin · Post #214 » by **corwin** » Thu Jul 1, 2010 11:17 am

Good point but Iggy is the established player that I was talking about while Lee/Williams so far are role playing prospects while Favors is a legitimate long-term star prospect. Don't forget the NY speculation (& that is all this is) which would involve moving Brand. NY has spent the last 2 to 3 years trying to get under the cap. If Joe Johnson signs the max offer that Atlanta made to him & it looks as if Lebron, Wade, & Bosh are signing elsewhere, that leaves them with a shot at Amare, Boozer & David Lee & they'll have to overpay for any of them. I'm sure their fans would consider that a massive failure.

sixerfan1976 · Post #215 » by **sixerfan1976** » Thu Jul 1, 2010 11:24 am

bucher report is a good example of how iguodala is only available in certain circumstances(like acquiring a superstar).

there is no chance of a salary dump.

is1531 · Post #216 » by **is1531** » Thu Jul 1, 2010 3:18 pm

corwin wrote:Maybe we should consider that Stefanski is talking with Denver as part of a deal that wouldn't bring Melo to Philly but maybe to NY or NJ. Don't know if I should start a thread but consider if Melo tells Denver that he is not re-signing since the core is mediocre & that he wants to go to NY or NJ with the other stars. Denver doesn't want to become the next (I know it's too soon) Cleveland or Toronto & they want to maximize return. IMO this would include at a minimum a good young player (Iggy), a rookie contract player with upside (Speights) & a pick. Then Carmelo is flipped to NJ (rights to Favors & Williams/Lee) as they are under the cap. They could still sign a max FA. Carmelo could also be flipped to NY with Brand (Galinari & Curry's expiring). NY could also still sign a max FA. I know this is speculation & maybe belongs on the trade board but I see Philly as having the pieces to facilitate this type of deal. In one deal we would get a better fit for the team & flexibility. In the other we would get a good fit & lose Brand. Ed would lose his stiff status if he could pull this off.

Corwin, give Ed some help with the Carmelo deal, swapping Carmelo for Favors,Lee and Williams.

Post #217 » by **The Guilty Party** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 8:59 pm

Alright SF... now that your fun in the sun is over with... you got an update? :-)

SJSF · Post #218 » by **SJSF** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 9:28 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:bucher report is a good example of how iguodala is only available in certain circumstances(like acquiring a superstar).

there is no chance of a salary dump.

the only thing good about Iggy's contract is that it is a good filler for reaching bigger contracts. But talent would have to go along with it to get a Melo. Like a Jrue and Iggy for Melo. I think people are hysterically funny when they write that Iggy is a SF on a championship team. Sure if you play for the Mavs or the old Knicks that had 80m payrolls. But in reality. If Iggy had a contract that was worthy of his ability. Lets say instead of a 6 year 80m, it was 6 year 60m. It would be feasable. But all it takes is a dumb GM like a BK or now ES and these players get way overpaid. Sammy D, Iggy, and othe old days like KcKie, Snow and Kenny Thomas. EB actually was a 20/10 guy so i can see the mistake and why.

radrmd216 · Post #219 » by **radrmd216** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 10:08 pm

I would say Iggy was slightly overpaid, and now his contract isn't even looking that bad with all the overpaying this offseason.

Before I thought Iggy's highest trade value for the duration of his contract was right now, but that was assuming a owner favored CBA was in the works. It seems now that the owners don't have much leverage with the contracts that have been given out. maybe Iggy could still get good value in a year or two, but I still think trading Iggy in the best possible package available is the move to make though.

Post #220 » by **tk76** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 11:07 pm

Those Summer 2008 contracts were almost all brutal. Iguodala's was better than most because he at least stays healthy and produces.

How many of these extensions were good ones?

Iguodala
Brand
Baron Davis
Maggetti
Deng
Okafor
Arenas
Biedrins
Ellis
Jamison

IMO Iguodala's deal is better than everyone else on that list. Especially when you take into account time lost to injuries.