SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Mik317]

I wouldn't be mad with either Barnes or Jones.

If only for the probably stupid hope that college was holding them back..lol.

In Jones credit (freshman year anyway), he played with LaceDarius Dunn, a man who make A.I and Kobe question his shot selection. He makes Lou look like the most patient player in the world.

I used to be so damn upset watching Baylor games...This year it was more so dude looked lost.

BUT generally the college game sometimes does hold some players back a bit due to the slower pace, zone, and less floor spacing (Doug just creamed himself).

Barnes of course looked bad when he had to create for himself and didn't look better until Marshall took the reigns from Turnover Jesus.

SO in theory if we somehow can get Barnes, he would fit nicely with Jrue and Turner and the extra spacing and less offensive burden.

In theory. He could just be similar to Turner, a talented dude who lack of crazy athleticism holds him down (of course Barnes is probably a better athlete than Turner....since he's not fat and emo jk).

I do love draft time a lot, even if I'm Toronto's old GM in terms of getting it right, as there are a ton of guys i'm(probably overly so) high on for us.

Mainly because we can go in multiple directions for once. Normally it's been Get a point guard, get a big man type stuff. Wider variety of choices as of now.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I don't see many teams that can offer Orlando more than the Sixers can. They have young players with potential, and a lot of them. Not only that, but young players with potential that have played in playoff games. So they are young, but have a little seasoning on top. I find it hard to believe Orlando wouldn't jump all over a package from the Sixers, but that is obviously contingent upon him signing a long term extension here.

Assuming the Nets get lucky in the lottery and wind up with pick 2 or 3, I would say they have a lot more to offer than us. They have the big man (Lopez) who can be dealt in a S/T that we lack offer wise. They have Brooks who looked good as a rookie. Then they could package that #2 or #3 pick this year (if they get #1, deal is off of course) along with future picks. To me, that's a better offer for Orlando.

[Kobblehead]

Harrison Barnes should still go top 5 regardless of him never being capable of being a franchise player. He's going to be an elite catch-and-shoot player. I see him eerily similar to Danny Granger.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't see many teams that can offer Orlando more than the Sixers can. They have young players with potential, and a lot of them. Not only that, but young players with potential that have played in playoff games. So they are young, but have a little seasoning on top. I find it hard to believe Orlando wouldn't jump all over a package from the Sixers, but that is obviously contingent upon him signing a long term extension here.

Assuming the Nets get lucky in the lottery and wind up with pick 2 or 3, I would say they have a lot more to offer than us. They have the big man (Lopez) who can be dealt in a S/T that we lack offer wise. They have Brooks who looked good as a rookie. Then they could package that #2 or #3 pick this year (if they get #1, deal is off of course) along with future picks. To me, that's a better offer for Orlando.

Turner was a #2 pick. So the Sixers essentially have the same thing. I think a team like Orlando would want some players they would have right now rather than some future picks where you don't know where they'll be picking or who will be available. Holiday could be their starting PG for the next 5+ years with Nelson having injury issues every year. Turner could be a guard there for the next 5+ years. So the Sixers could basically offer them two players that would be part of their franchise for a long time that they already know what to expect. Draft picks are unknowns.

I'm just saying if I was Orlando, I'd find a Sixers package more attractive.

[SparksFly87]

Brackins terminated, Lou opts out, and Hawes walks
Brand gets amnestyed
Sixers sign Deron Williams to a multi year deal.
Sixers propose trade of Jrue, Turner, Thaddues Young, VUcevic and 2 future 1st rd picks for Dwight Howard and a filler.
sixers resign Allen and Meeks cheap.
add veteran PF Antwaan Jamison vet min deal.
Use middle level for Gerald Green or Lou Williams.
Add some players to bench
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The core of Deron Williams, Dwight Howard and Iggy is a contender for sure.

[freshie2]

Can you keep/use the MlE if you sign a max player?

[Foshan]

I'm much more intrigued by Quincy Miller as compared to Jones (relative to where they are expected to be picked). Jones in the top 7 picks scares me. Miller, outside the lottery, really could be a great pick.

Agreed, I think Q.Miller at 15 is the exact type of guy we draft. Long lanky SF with range, only slips this far because of a past injury that seems on the up and up. I know the FO is thinking Finals rather than rebuilding, but if we did a Sac deal because Drummond drops to 5, and Miller at 15

Jrue/Turner/Miller/?PF?/Drummond

Vucevic might even fit that PF spot long term, as he's got decent range...

Definately looking forward to this summer, though I'm not sure I'll like the way the FO goes (getting older to win), at least it will be exciting!

[LongLiveHinkie]

Can you keep/use the MlE if you sign a max player?

If you start FA under the cap, I don't think you get the MLE, but I could be wrong.

I think Sparks' deal is too much for Howard. Way too much. But the idea of getting both those guys is definitely something this organization should try to do. If they want to get this fan base excited for years to come and want to make a return on their investment of buying the team, then getting two superstars doesn't hurt.

I know people got a little excited over the playoffs this year, but if they truly want to make that place like it was in 2001, then those moves would definitely do it I would think. Thorn has been around the game for a long time, if he's still working here by then I think he is crafty enough to pull it off, and Doug is a pretty charismatic guy.

[HartfordWhalers]

Can you keep/use the MlE if you sign a max player?

If you start FA under the cap, I don't think you get the MLE, but I could be wrong.

I think Sparks' deal is too much for Howard. Way too much. But the idea of getting both those guys is definitely something this organization should try to do. If they want to get this fan base excited for years to come and want to make a return on their investment of buying the team, then getting two superstars doesn't hurt.

I know people got a little excited over the playoffs this year, but if they truly want to make that place like it was in 2001, then those moves would definitely do it I would think. Thorn has been around the game for a long time, if he's still working here by then I think he is crafty enough to pull it off, and Doug is a pretty charismatic guy.

To keep the MLE you need to save the MLE worth of $ under the cap. At which point you just use cap space.

If you use up to the full cap, you get a 2.5m exception which is new to the latest CBA.

[freshie2]

I'm much more intrigued by Quincy Miller as compared to Jones (relative to where they are expected to be picked). Jones in the top 7 picks scares me. Miller, outside the lottery, really could be a great pick.

Agreed, I think Q.Miller at 15 is the exact type of guy we draft. Long lanky SF with range, only slips this far because of a past injury that seems on the up and up. I know the FO is thinking Finals rather than rebuilding, but if we did a Sac deal because Drummond drops to 5, and Miller at 15

Jrue/Turner/Miller/?PF?/Drummond

Vucevic might even fit that PF spot long term, as he's got decent range...

Definately looking forward to this summer, though I'm not sure I'll like the way the FO goes (getting older to win), at least it will be exciting!

I kinda like Harkless from SJU if they go SF, but Miller makes sense as well.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Turner was a #2 pick. So the Sixers essentially have the same thing. I think a team like Orlando would want some players they would have right now rather than some future picks where you don't know where they'll be picking or who will be available. Holiday could be their starting PG for the next 5+ years with Nelson having injury issues every year. Turner could be a guard there for the next 5+ years. So the Sixers could basically offer them two players that would be part of their franchise for a long time that they already know what to expect. Draft picks are unknowns.

I'm just saying if I was Orlando, I'd find a Sixers package more attractive.

Turner doesn't have the value of a past 2nd overall pick right now. If there was a re-draft, no way he goes that high. A future #2 or 3 give Orlando the option to pick who they want so they can find someone who fits whatever direction they want to go. Thad has negative value IMO. He's a nice young player, but on a very bad contract. They could just sign Ryan Anderson to be that stretch 4 for about the price Thad would cost. SO they can have the Nets package plus Anderson. I still don't see how our package is better. Lopez is better than anyone we can offer. It could be argues a top 3 pick in this draft is worth more than Holiday and Brooks is farther along than Turner was in his rookie year. He's got a lot of upside so it can be debated who is better long term between the two.

[SparksFly87]

Can you keep/use the MlE if you sign a max player?

If you start FA under the cap, I don't think you get the MLE, but I could be wrong.

I think Sparks' deal is too much for Howard. Way too much. But the idea of getting both those guys is definitely something this organization should try to do. If they want to get this fan base excited for years to come and want to make a return on their investment of buying the team, then getting two superstars doesn't hurt.

I know people got a little excited over the playoffs this year, but if they truly want to make that place like it was in 2001, then those moves would definitely do it I would think. Thorn has been around the game for a long time, if he's still working here by then I think he is crafty enough to pull it off, and Doug is a pretty charismatic guy.

Overpaying for Dwight Howard? He's the best center in the league and would be our franchise player. Give them a offer they can't refuse. This is a legit contender as long as Deron, Iggy and Howard are together as core.

[LongLiveHinkie]

That doesn't mean you need to offer more than it would take to get him. That is what the job of a GM is. To get the best deal possible. Not give up the most they could to make sure a deal goes through.

[KKell2507]

Can you keep/use the MlE if you sign a max player?

If you start FA under the cap, I don't think you get the MLE, but I could be wrong.

I think Sparks' deal is too much for Howard. Way too much. But the idea of getting both those guys is definitely something this organization should try to do. If they want to get this fan base excited for years to come and want to make a return on their investment of buying the team, then getting two superstars doesn't hurt.

I know people got a little excited over the playoffs this year, but if they truly want to make that place like it was in 2001, then those moves would definitely do it I would think. Thorn has been around the game for a long time, if he's still working here by then I think he is crafty enough to pull it off, and Doug is a pretty charismatic guy.

To keep the MLE you need to save the MLE worth of $ under the cap. At which point you just use cap space.

If you use up to the full cap, you get a 2.5m exception which is new to the latest CBA.

It was definitely possible in the old CBA. Remember the Heat signed Mike Miller to the full MLE the same year they signed Lebron and Bosh. Im just assuming its not possible anymore in the new CBA.

[SparksFly87]

That doesn't mean you need to offer more than it would take to get him. That is what the job of a GM is. To get the best deal possible. Not give up the most they could to make sure a deal goes through.

What's the best deal possible then? Acquiring the best center in the league and locking him up long term is the goal period.

[SixerFever215]

What about signing Nick Young from the Clippers and make him the starting SG. Then use the the 15th pick Evan Turner and Thad Young to get u the best PF you can.

[Kobblehead]

Guys like Nick Young and J.R. Smith are free lancers. That doesn't work with coaches like Collins.

[HartfordWhalers]

quote="freshie2"Can you keep/use the MlE if you sign a max player?/quote

If you start FA under the cap, I don't think you get the MLE, but I could be wrong.

I think Sparks' deal is too much for Howard. Way too much. But the idea of getting both those guys is definitely something this organization should try to do. If they want to get this fan base excited for years to come and want to make a return on their investment of buying the team, then getting two superstars doesn't hurt.

I know people got a little excited over the playoffs this year, but if they truly want to make that place like it was in 2001, then those moves would definitely do it I would think. Thorn has been around the game for a long time, if he's still working here by then I think he is crafty enough to pull it off, and Doug is a pretty charismatic guy.

To keep the MLE you need to save the MLE worth of $ under the cap. At which point you just use cap space.

If you use up to the full cap, you get a 2.5m exception which is new to the latest CBA.

It was definitely possible in the old CBA. Remember the Heat signed Mike Miller to the full MLE the same year they signed Lebron and Bosh. Im just assuming its not possible anymore in the new CBA.

This is incorrect. Miami signed Lebron, Bosh and Wade each for only 14.5/14.2m to have the space under the cap to sign Miller.

[dbodner]

To keep the MLE you need to save the MLE worth of $ under the cap. At which point you just use cap space.

If you use up to the full cap, you get a 2.5m exception which is new to the latest CBA.

It was definitely possible in the old CBA. Remember the Heat signed Mike Miller to the full MLE the same year they signed Lebron and Bosh. Im just assuming its not possible anymore in the new CBA.

This is incorrect. Miami signed Lebron, Bosh and Wade each for only 14.5/14.2m to have the space under the cap to sign Miller.

Correct.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Guys like Nick Young and J.R. Smith are free lancers. That doesn't work with coaches like Collins.

Unless your name is Lou Williams