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Post#201 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:53 am

The thing that sucks about the position the Sixers are in is I don't think anyone can say the Sixers are ___ years away. The thing that sucks is we have no idea how many years away they are. It could be 4, it could be 15. They need a superstar and I don't see how they can get one right now aside from getting a top 3 pick in a year that happens to have a Durant caliber player.

I would love to say one of these years I think we could pry away a superstar via free agency, but teams rarely let superstars go, and trade them for value before they hit FA to teams the player wants to go to if they think they will lose them. Then even if one hit FA, who would want to come here?
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Post#202 » by 51X3RF4N » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:57 am

sixerfan1976 wrote:
Knux-Future wrote:So

Jrue
Evan/Ross
RJ/Wright
Henson/Thad
Lavoy/Vuce


not sure if want.


amnesty of brand could get ya a starter at center i guess in addition



Here's what I don't get. This deal, assuming a Center is signed with Brand's money, puts the Sixers 3-4 years away from contending for a ring. Also, I would think it means you go with Jrue/Ross/Turner/Henson/Free agent as your starters. So Wright is the guy that they are adding to the deal that makes the Sixers say yes, but then he's a bench player? Adding Wright and Ross means adding a starting SG and SF. Where does Evan go?

All along the talk was the Sixers wanted to move Iggy and amnesty Brand, and in return they wanted a SG that can score the ball and a big man like Jefferson or Gasol. This trade gives neither. Ross can shoot, but not be a #1 option. Henson isn't Gasol or Al.

Now the Sixers are getting younger, and further away from a CHIP.

It's just odd that they have so many "fluid" plans, but don't seem to have a concrete direction. Is it rebuild? Or is it compete?

Trading up suggests rebuild, while trading for Al Jeff and Watson clearly suggests compete.

Here are my scenarios...

Sixers A: Add Al Jeff, Watson, Ross and FA Big.

Jrue/Watson
Ross/Meeks
Turner/Young
Jefferson/Thad
FA Big/Allen/Vucevic

That's a compete now lineup. Bring in 2 new big men and a much better complement in Ross. Keep 4 solid bench players for depth. Plus, you may be adding 2 All-Star calibur bigs if you get the right free agent.

Sixers B: Add Calderon, Davis, Waiters or Henson, Ross or Moultrie, and FA Big.

Jrue/Calderon
Waiters or Ross/Meeks
Turner/Young
Henson or Moultrie/Davis/Thad
FA Big/Allen/Vucevic

This is a rebuild lineup. Pretty much all young, need to gel as a unit, relying heavily on 2 rookies, risk/reward. Still good depth though.

Sixers C: Add Wright, Jefferson, Henson or Waiters or Drummond, Ross or Moultrie.

Jrue/??
Turner or Ross or Waiters
Wright/Jefferson
Henson or Drummond or Moultrie
FA Big/Allen/Vucevic

This option is confusing, because it leaves so many thing open. But I do think it's also rebuild mode.

Honestly, I like option A the most, but that's just me.
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Post#203 » by PhilasFinest » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:58 am

Westbrook36 wrote:The thing that sucks about the position the Sixers are in is I don't think anyone can say the Sixers are ___ years away. The thing that sucks is we have no idea how many years away they are. It could be 4, it could be 15. They need a superstar and I don't see how they can get one right now aside from getting a top 3 pick in a year that happens to have a Durant caliber player.

I would love to say one of these years I think we could pry away a superstar via free agency, but teams rarely let superstars go, and trade them for value before they hit FA to teams the player wants to go to if they think they will lose them. Then even if one hit FA, who would want to come here?


Exactly.

This is why I'm for an iguodala for pick trade. Add young players, hope someone develop into a star.
If they don't, stink untill you find one in the draft.

Sadly That's the only way to rebuild. Untill you land a superstar player, no one will want to play for you.

Adding 15-20 overall picks(barring a steal) and 2nd-third tier FA's around iguodala isn't beating Miami
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Post#204 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:00 am

Option A sounds the best. Is Henson really more than Ed Davis or lavoy allen
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Post#205 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:03 am

Really the question is, Does Henson have a chance at being better than Al Jefferson.
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Post#206 » by Sixerlover » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:05 am

Westbrook36 wrote:I think the Sixers are already rebuilding though or I should say technically still building. They are a young team that is not a championship contender. So I don't think they necessarily need to move Iguodala to get even younger than they already are. I'm fine with moving Iguodala, but I want someone who I think will actually be a legit player in return. Someone who can score the ball.

Yeah, I understand where your coming from. I was actually in the continue to build up camp as opposed to break it down and start over coming into the offseason. But if this is the direction they're going to take (trading Iguodala, amnestying Brand) they might as well go all out.
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Post#207 » by Sixerlover » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:07 am

JordanMars wrote:Option A sounds the best. Is Henson really more than Ed Davis or lavoy allen

I really don't want Brendan Wrig... I mean John Henson. If we were to get #7 I'd MUCH rather have Drummond if he's still there or Dion over Henson
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Post#208 » by 51X3RF4N » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:10 am

And the answer IMO is they are 2 completely different players. Henson is a defensive specialist/shotblocker with amazing length and a developing game. Jefferson is a no-defense PF who can play in the post and knock down a mid-range shot. Very skilled offensively, but doesn't D up much.

Both can rebound the ball very well. Henson's improving his offensive game, post up, jump hook, mid-range, foul-line extended jumper, baseline jumper every year. FT % is improving every year. He's adding weight and muscle every year. And he's got a great BBIQ.

I don't really see Jefferson improving his D, but his jumper continues to get better with age.

Jefferson is 27 years old making $14M per year over 2 years. Henson is 21 signed to a rookie contract.

If you chose one over the other it's going to be because of the direction you want the team to go (rebuild vs compete now).
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Post#209 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:13 am

But do we really have to move iggy if we want henson. Im thinking we could move up a couple picks and snag henson if he is who they want.
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Post#210 » by Do the Jrue » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:13 am

People still seem to have no idea that Al Jefferson is really, really good and would automatically be atleast the 2nd best PF in the entire East if traded to the Sixers. He's automatically getting you 20, 10 and about 2 blocks a game. Plus he would have the same contract as Iggy pretty much and fills a need. While I really like Henson and Perry Jones I don't think they're at all ready to hop in this year and be a starter at PF right away. We would still be without a starting PF and C in all those scenarios except if we either trade Iggy for Jefferson or sign somebody like Humphries. I'm clueless as to what the plan in place is for this team. More than half the team is probably going to be different players than the ones that were on the team just this last year.
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Post#211 » by PhilasFinest » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:16 am

JordanMars wrote:Really the question is, Does Henson have a chance at being better than Al Jefferson.


Agree with above. Henson n Jeff are 2 totally different players.

Henson could be a rstliff(prime)/ibaka/camby type big. Hell hit an open jumper, dunk and a jump hook. Aside from that his main impact would be getting you 8-10 rebounds and blocking 2-3 shots and anchoring your defense.

Jefferson is a 20-10 big who isn't a great defender.

I honestly like al Jefferson, but id prefer to pair him with iguodala.


All thus speculation should bode for an interesting week leading up to the draft.
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Post#212 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:18 am

im thinking Big Al in the East would be a all star given the weak bigs in the east
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Post#213 » by PhilasFinest » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:20 am

JordanMars wrote:im thinking Big Al in the East would be a all star given the weak bigs in the east


Agree.
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Post#214 » by 51X3RF4N » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:21 am

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JordanMars wrote:Option A sounds the best. Is Henson really more than Ed Davis or lavoy allen

I really don't want Brendan Wrig... I mean John Henson. If we were to get #7 I'd MUCH rather have Drummond if he's still there or Dion over Henson


Please...don't compare Henson to Brandan Wright. They are completely different. First, Wright only played 1 season at UNC and was not even that impactful while he was there. He never developed an offensive game and he didn't rebound the ball well. His pts were a direct correlation to Ty Lawson and Tyler Hans. They drew the D and Wright got easy layups. He avged 14ppg and only 6rpg with 1.8bpg. His FG% was 64% becasue the majority of hit shots were dunks or layups. He was drafted by Charlotte, where rookies go to die and has never shown a year-to-year improvement in his game.

Henson on the other hand has improved dramatically every year he's been at UNC. He was a feared shot-blocker and defender. He blocked way more shots than B. Wright. As a junior, he aved 14ppg, 10pg, and 3bpg. He's been more well-groomed offensively since he stayed 2 further years at UNC under Roy Williams and staff.

His chances at NBA success are much higher IMO than both Wright and Ed Davis (the easiest comparisons).
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Post#215 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:26 am

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JordanMars wrote:Option A sounds the best. Is Henson really more than Ed Davis or lavoy allen

I really don't want Brendan Wrig... I mean John Henson. If we were to get #7 I'd MUCH rather have Drummond if he's still there or Dion over Henson


Please...don't compare Henson to Brandan Wright. They are completely different. First, Wright only played 1 season at UNC and was not even that impactful while he was there. He never developed an offensive game and he didn't rebound the ball well. His pts were a direct correlation to Ty Lawson and Tyler Hans. They drew the D and Wright got easy layups. He avged 14ppg and only 6rpg with 1.8bpg. His FG% was 64% becasue the majority of hit shots were dunks or layups. He was drafted by Charlotte, where rookies go to die and has never shown a year-to-year improvement in his game.

Henson on the other hand has improved dramatically every year he's been at UNC. He was a feared shot-blocker and defender. He blocked way more shots than B. Wright. As a junior, he aved 14ppg, 10pg, and 3bpg. He's been more well-groomed offensively since he stayed 2 further years at UNC under Roy Williams and staff.

His chances at NBA success are much higher IMO than both Wright and Ed Davis (the easiest comparisons).


The thing is tho, we dont know about these rookies aside from Anthony Davis. Why not get the sure thing in a 20 10 guy in Jefferson that would beast in the East. Does Henson become that Marcus Camby or Brandon Wright. Im thinking he could become a Camby Light but who would you rather have a 20 10 beast or a piss poor version of Marcus Camby
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Post#216 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:27 am

Now Drummond is different IMO. If we can get him for Iggy then go for it. Way more potential then Henson.
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Post#217 » by Sixerlover » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:29 am

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JordanMars wrote:Option A sounds the best. Is Henson really more than Ed Davis or lavoy allen

I really don't want Brendan Wrig... I mean John Henson. If we were to get #7 I'd MUCH rather have Drummond if he's still there or Dion over Henson


Please...don't compare Henson to Brandan Wright. They are completely different. First, Wright only played 1 season at UNC and was not even that impactful while he was there. He never developed an offensive game and he didn't rebound the ball well. His pts were a direct correlation to Ty Lawson and Tyler Hans. They drew the D and Wright got easy layups. He avged 14ppg and only 6rpg with 1.8bpg. His FG% was 64% becasue the majority of hit shots were dunks or layups. He was drafted by Charlotte, where rookies go to die and has never shown a year-to-year improvement in his game.

Henson on the other hand has improved dramatically every year he's been at UNC. He was a feared shot-blocker and defender. He blocked way more shots than B. Wright. As a junior, he aved 14ppg, 10pg, and 3bpg. He's been more well-groomed offensively since he stayed 2 further years at UNC under Roy Williams and staff.

His chances at NBA success are much higher IMO than both Wright and Ed Davis (the easiest comparisons).


It was more a comparison of build, game, but you say it like Henson didn't get is 14 ppg weren't a direct correlation of Harrison Barnes drawing the D, or a easy bucket on a pass from the best passing PG in college ball. His offensive game is still very raw. He has a 14-17 footer than he shouldn't use as much as he does, and he's definitely too frail right now to bang down low. Defensively he's obviously a better help side defender than Wright was, but the NBA translation remains to be seen.

I guess my main point is, there are plenty of long athletic offensively raw big man that come into the NBA out of college or overseas, not many of them pan out. Henson has to prove he's unique from the majority of those guys.
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Post#218 » by PhilasFinest » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:31 am

The bigger question is... Does al Jefferson take you closer to a title?

Jrue Turner Al Jeff Thad 15 Lavoy Vucevic

Jrue Tuner 7 15 wright RJ Thad lavoy Vucevic

Honestly. I'd take either deal. I'm just ready for something new.
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Post#219 » by Gsraider » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:32 am

JordanMars wrote:Now Drummond is different IMO. If we can get him for Iggy then go for it. Way more potential then Henson.


I want no part of RJ and don't exactly get how GS has stepped up its offer. I thought they originally offered the #7, Wright and Beidrens for Iguodala. Is the only difference swapping RJ and Beidrens? If so, that doesn't really excite me. However, I think I might be on board if Drummond was there at #7 and that was the target. To me, there is a big risk with him like there are with other draft picks, but the upside is off the charts and the center position could be solved in a good way for the next decade. This is the type of deal I wouldn't do until I knew if Drummond was still on the board and until that point, I would be telling GS that RJ was a deal breaker, so they need to find a third team.
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Post#220 » by JordanMars » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:34 am

PhilasFinest wrote:The bigger question is... Does al Jefferson take you closer to a title?

Jrue Turner Al Jeff Thad 15 Lavoy Vucevic

Jrue Tuner 7 15 wright RJ Thad lavoy Vucevic

Honestly. I'd take either deal. I'm just ready for something new.


Neither really do, But in the East im thinking Jefferson can maybe give you a chance. Id like to keep Iguodala in a Jefferson trade aswell.

Trade Turner/Thad for Big Al and Gordon Hayward

PG-Jrue
SG-FA
SF-Iggy,Hayward
PF-FA,Allen
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