Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

RightToCensor · Post #201 » by **RightToCensor** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:08 pm

A guy like Mike Conley would be perfect for the Triangle, but the problem is that we're in a salary cap league. The first thing he should be looking for in Free Agency is his Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, or Kobe Bryant, then after that he can fill the roster with Triangle players.

12footrim · Post #202 » by **12footrim** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:51 pm

They just as well be out recruiting for the wishbone. Like players want to play in a 1990 dinosaur offense assuming all things are equal.

The mark of good coaching is taking the best talent and being adaptable enough to fit a system around the talent, not trying to find players to shoehorn into a specific system.

SparksFly87 · Post #203 » by **SparksFly87** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:52 pm

This all starts with a healthy embiid and okafor transitioning to Power forward . I believe they will be a unstoppable tandem. All opposed to Marcus Smart all I can say is "tony Allen" all NBA defense and plays great with two inside bigs in Memphis. I think Embiid,Okafor and Top 2 pick will solidify the 5,4 and 3 spots. I would bring in the best guard possible for noel and or the Lakers pick. Roleplayers Saric, Covington,Grant would be awesome.

Raps in 4 · Post #204 » by **Raps in 4** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:58 pm

I feel sorry for you guys.

Hinkie was a bright GM. Sure the team didn't see results under him, but rebuilding can be a long process sometimes.

BC is a stubborn GM with a complete lack of vision. His entire time in Toronto was spent trying to recreate the Phoenix Suns with miserable results. Maybe he'll regain some of his mojo in a new setting, but I wouldn't hold my breath (just tempering expectations).

Dennis 37 · Post #205 » by **Dennis 37** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:14 pm

The triangle offense and Phil comments are due to an incorrect link, to this thread from the Wiretap, discussing Phil looking for players to play the triangle.

To that I say, "Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, NewYork is a joke."

Philadelphia and Toronto have had their ups and downs, but at least neither of us are New York.

Good luck with BC. Be careful though, he falls in love with his draft picks and interferes with the coach's authority.

ET Da Gawd · Post #206 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:38 pm

I don't see Derozan coming here unless TOR gets bounced in the 1st rd. Say barnes is matched, what player(s) would u guys target? Batum seems most likely to me. It's kinda thin at sg, would we be better off drafting a 2?

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RSCD3_ · Post #207 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:12 am

HotelVitale wrote:I was living near Detroit from 2002-2010 and saw how a GM can have some success with one strategy and then think that he's got the Midas touch. In 2004 or so, people were praising Dumars as some sort of visionary genius--the guy who signed Chauncey, traded for Ben Wallace and Rip, stole Rasheed!, etc. He was batting like .800 overa few years and it seems like he convinced himself that he had a brilliant unstoppable plan--go out and find under-valued veterans and trust that you know which ones will turn into stars.

We know how that turned out--from 2006-2010, he made a series of unbelievably bad moves that squandered the resources he had and capped the team out. Signed Ben Gordon and Villanueva, flipped Chauncey for aging AI, kept Rip too long, traded Middleton/Knight for B Jennings, Afflalo for nothing, etc. It turns out that finding under-valued guys is really really hard, because other teams aren't stupid and no one simply overlooks a budding star or potential all-star in a multi-billion dollar business. He more or less just got lucky with Chauncey, Ben, etc, and convinced himself it was his special snowflake vision that was responsible, and not the hard work and talent of those guys that finally shined after hiding itself.

I'm worried that the Colangelo will have the same issue. He made some very successful moves in PHX and TOR, but they were realistically just calculated gambles that happened to pay off. I'm concerned that he'll think that every guy he kind of likes will be Kyle Lowry, or that every young guy he trades for will be Joe Johnson. So he'll be much more gung-ho about giving up resources to follow his intuition, or he'll be too confident about his ability to get the draft right (which, as history has made abundantly clear, no GM should ever ever do!).

Most of those things all happened during or after 09 so the window's a bit off

Phreak50 · Post #208 » by **Phreak50** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:44 am

99% of players will not want to go to NY.

They won't want to play for an inexperienced coach, won't want to play in the triangle and won't want anything to do with a Phil Jackson run team.

Chamberlainship · Post #209 » by **Chamberlainship** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:18 am

One thing I think we can expect is trades a lot of people say we "lose" because we'll be trading high ceiling players or assets for veterans with less potential. Kinda the reverse of the MCW trade mentality. In short, the pendulum will swing the other way to show the fans some progress next season and that we're finally shifting the rebuild out of phase 1.

Ericb5 · Post #210 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:58 am

Chamberlainship wrote:One thing I think we can expect is trades a lot of people say we "lose" because we'll be trading high ceiling players or assets for veterans with less potential. Kinda the reverse of the MCW trade mentality. In short, the pendulum will swing the other way to show the fans some progress next season and that we're finally shifting the rebuild out of phase 1.

Exactly what I'm afraid of...

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Unbreakable99 · Post #211 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:08 am

Chamberlainship wrote:One thing I think we can expect is trades a lot of people say we "lose" because we'll be trading high ceiling players or assets for veterans with less potential. Kinda the reverse of the MCW trade mentality. In short, the pendulum will swing the other way to show the fans some progress next season and that we're finally shifting the rebuild out of phase 1.

That's the wrong approach. Do you want to go back to winning 40 games then getting blasted in the 1st round? Come on man. I have no problem with trading Okafor or Noel but if you do that it would have to be for a quality player or potential top 6 draft pick. And if Hinkie were still here we were going to move forward anyway. I wish people would stop acting like Hinkie would have just tanked again next season. People have issues. If a healthy Embiid plays next season and if Saric comes over and if we get a top 2 pick, that alone would have us going forward and winning games. We were going to go after FAs this summer as well with Hinkie so stop with the nonsense.

NYSixersFan · Post #212 » by **NYSixersFan** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:17 am

The core of the Raptors is......Lowry, DeRozen, Valicunas, Ross....who got those players? so stop with BC bashing....he's far superior to Hinkie.

Unbreakable99 · Post #213 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:07 am

Would you guys be ok with trading Noel or Okakor and the LAL and Miami and OKC pick for Paul George? Do you think that's a fair trade for both teams?

NYSixersFan · Post #214 » by **NYSixersFan** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:18 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Would you guys be ok with trading Noel or Okakor and the LAL and Miami and OKC pick for Paul George? Do you think that's a fair trade for both teams?

yes please

Post #215 » by **sixers hoops** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:21 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Would you guys be ok with trading Noel or Okakor and the LAL and Miami and OKC pick for Paul George? Do you think that's a fair trade for both teams?

Tough decision. But I would.

Negrodamus · Post #216 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:31 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Would you guys be ok with trading Noel or Okakor and the LAL and Miami and OKC pick for Paul George? Do you think that's a fair trade for both teams?

No, I don't think that's enough for George. But I'd definitely do it as the Sixers.

Post #217 » by **Stanford** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:32 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Would you guys be ok with trading Noel or Okakor and the LAL and Miami and OKC pick for Paul George? Do you think that's a fair trade for both teams?

Hell yes.

sixers4real · Post #218 » by **sixers4real** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:33 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Would you guys be ok with trading Noel or Okakor and the LAL and Miami and OKC pick for Paul George? Do you think that's a fair trade for both teams?

I would. Especially if we get Ingram in the draft. Ingram and George at SG and SF, great length. George is also only 25.

Unbreakable99 · Post #219 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:41 am

Would you guys make that same trade for Jimmy Butler?

Negrodamus · Post #220 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:47 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:Would you guys make that same trade for Jimmy Butler?

Sure, but I don't think the Bulls would do it. Maybe though. It really depends on circumstance. If the Bulls or Pacers think they have gone as far as they can with this group, they might decide to blow it up. Rose's contract goes up after next season (I think) and Gasol's contract is up after this year, so the Bulls might be more interested in breaking up the group than the Pacers.

If there is a rift in the locker room, they might be interested in blowing it up. Bring in a Chicago boy and a high draft pick that will be in a stacked draft. It's definitely possible.

Like I said earlier, I also think Irving could be had if the Cavs crap the bed this playoffs and there's more locker room rift in Cleveland.