Official Brett Brown thread

SelfishPlayer · Post #201 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:27 pm

Sixerscan wrote:I've seen Okafor get pushed off the block by people smaller than Dario this year.

I've seen Okafor dunk on and out muscle larger people than Dario, so...

Post #202 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:34 pm

Which ties into the inconsistent effort and not being in shape issues I brought up in the sentences immediately after that one...

SelfishPlayer · Post #203 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:45 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Which ties into the inconsistent effort and not being in shape issues I brought up in the sentences immediately after that one...

I don't agree with you. I think that he is what he is as well as Dario and Ersan. Well less so than Ersan because Okafor is still developing being that he's only 20 years of age. I've seen this done before where a guy like Okafor is perceived as more talented than guys like Dario and Ersan therefore when he shows an imperfection on the court it's because he isn't trying hard enough, he isn't focused, he needs to work harder, but Dario and Ersan are "try hard" guys even through all of their blunders. Whatever...

dkj5061 · Post #204 » by **dkj5061** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:47 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Which ties into the inconsistent effort and not being in shape issues I brought up in the sentences immediately after that one...

I don't agree with you. I think that he is what he is as well as Dario and Ersan. Well less so than Ersan because Okafor is still developing being that he's only 20 years of age. I've seen this done before where a guy like Okafor is perceived as more talented than guys like Dario and Ersan therefore when he shows an imperfection on the court it's because he isn't trying hard enough, he isn't focused, he needs to work harder, but Dario and Ersan are "try hard" guys even through all of their blunders. Whatever...

I think it's more of a physical limitations thing rather than a talent thing. I can see Dario fighting every possession, diving for loose balls etc. Despite his shorter stature and lack of athleticism, he puts forth effort. Okafor has the wingspan, quick feet (just on offense at this point), and height of what should be an at least decent defender. Dario has none of those things, but he is still more effective. I think that is the biggest difference.

Post #205 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:19 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Which ties into the inconsistent effort and not being in shape issues I brought up in the sentences immediately after that one...

I don't agree with you. I think that he is what he is as well as Dario and Ersan. Well less so than Ersan because Okafor is still developing being that he's only 20 years of age. I've seen this done before where a guy like Okafor is perceived as more talented than guys like Dario and Ersan therefore when he shows an imperfection on the court it's because he isn't trying hard enough, he isn't focused, he needs to work harder, but Dario and Ersan are "try hard" guys even through all of their blunders. Whatever...

Well I'm giving Okafor the benefit of the doubt that it's either an effort or conditioning thing. Because if this is what he is then he's just not good enough at the skills you need at the 4 to play over those guys right now.

Really Holmes should be playing over him at center as well if that's the case.

But I think it is both an effort and conditioning thing, with the latter heavily causing the former. Let him get his feet under him by playing the same position he's played his entire life before you start throwing a new and more complicated position at him.

SelfishPlayer · Post #206 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:31 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Which ties into the inconsistent effort and not being in shape issues I brought up in the sentences immediately after that one...

I don't agree with you. I think that he is what he is as well as Dario and Ersan. Well less so than Ersan because Okafor is still developing being that he's only 20 years of age. I've seen this done before where a guy like Okafor is perceived as more talented than guys like Dario and Ersan therefore when he shows an imperfection on the court it's because he isn't trying hard enough, he isn't focused, he needs to work harder, but Dario and Ersan are "try hard" guys even through all of their blunders. Whatever...

Because if this is what he is then he's just not good enough at the skills you need at the 4 to play over those guys right now.

I've seen Zach Randolph have success at the PF position for Memphis so I beg to differ... When we see Dario and Ersan defend it's always with a shot blocker on the floor to clean up their mess. Okafor is only being allowed to be the last line of defense when on the floor. Memphis was intelligent enough not to do that with Zach Randolph and they received wonderful results. Brett Brown is a moronic head coach.

Post #207 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:50 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
I don't agree with you. I think that he is what he is as well as Dario and Ersan. Well less so than Ersan because Okafor is still developing being that he's only 20 years of age. I've seen this done before where a guy like Okafor is perceived as more talented than guys like Dario and Ersan therefore when he shows an imperfection on the court it's because he isn't trying hard enough, he isn't focused, he needs to work harder, but Dario and Ersan are "try hard" guys even through all of their blunders. Whatever...

Because if this is what he is then he's just not good enough at the skills you need at the 4 to play over those guys right now.

I've seen Zach Randolph have success at the PF position for Memphis so I beg to differ... When we see Dario and Ersan defend it's always with a shot blocker on the floor to clean up their mess. Okafor is only being allowed to be the last line of defense when on the floor. Memphis was intelligent enough not to do that with Zach Randolph and they received wonderful results. Brett Brown is a moronic head coach.

Cool? Okafor isn't Randolph and he's not in shape to play the 4 right now. Let him play the 5 until he gets his feet under him. Getting really bored with arguments like this, especially the ones that act like Brown is being a crazy person for not playing him at the 4. Also getting pretty annoyed by you continuously cutting off parts of my post and trying to make the argument a different one than I'm making.

Post #208 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:51 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:I would NEVER play Jahlil

Good post, think that might be a little much though.

phiphan · Post #209 » by **phiphan** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:59 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Which ties into the inconsistent effort and not being in shape issues I brought up in the sentences immediately after that one...

I don't agree with you. I think that he is what he is as well as Dario and Ersan. Well less so than Ersan because Okafor is still developing being that he's only 20 years of age. I've seen this done before where a guy like Okafor is perceived as more talented than guys like Dario and Ersan therefore when he shows an imperfection on the court it's because he isn't trying hard enough, he isn't focused, he needs to work harder, but Dario and Ersan are "try hard" guys even through all of their blunders. Whatever...

You watch the games and believe that Okafor's effort is as consistent as Ilyasova's and Saric's?

SelfishPlayer · Post #210 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:00 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
Because if this is what he is then he's just not good enough at the skills you need at the 4 to play over those guys right now.

I've seen Zach Randolph have success at the PF position for Memphis so I beg to differ... When we see Dario and Ersan defend it's always with a shot blocker on the floor to clean up their mess. Okafor is only being allowed to be the last line of defense when on the floor. Memphis was intelligent enough not to do that with Zach Randolph and they received wonderful results. Brett Brown is a moronic head coach.

Cool? Okafor isn't Randolph and he's not in shape to play the 4 right now.

He's not "in shape" to guard guys playing at the NBA 4 spot like Ersan and Dario? :noway:

Two guys that would have to guard him on the other end which would favor Jahlil...

BTW TJ and Sergio don't look like they are in shape. They never drive to the basket. They play so lethargic.

Post #211 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:04 pm

No he's not.

TTP · Post #212 » by **TTP** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:21 pm

I think you drastically overestimate post up efficiency compared to the points per possession Okafor would give up on defense on the other end.

Check out this reddit post from last year comparing points per possession on post ups compared to average points per possession:

https://m.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3zgcpp/the_best_postup_players_volume_vs_efficiency/

SelfishPlayer · Post #213 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:11 pm

The best teams in the East have Kevin Love ,Pascal Siakam, Paul Millsap, Taj Gibson, Marvin Williams, Amir Johnson, Jabari Parker, Marcus Morris, Thaddeus Young, and Kristaps Porzingis. Hyperbole is saying that crop of players at the PF position would run Okafor out of the position. This is a league where the fat Kevin Love played PF in Minnesota. Okafor is definitely more athletic than the fat Kevin Love. This is a league where Dario and Ersan play the position as well as Pascal Siakam and Derrick Favors. :noway:

EvanZ · Post #214 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:45 pm

Okafor is a PF if this was 1978. In 2016 he's a center coming off the bench. He'll never be a starter on a playoff-caliber team.

SelfishPlayer · Post #215 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:03 pm

EvanZ wrote:Okafor is a PF if this was 1978. In 1996 he's a center coming off the bench. He'll never be a starter on a playoff-caliber team.

1996...

Brett Brown can't get fired fast enough for me so that people can stop labeling players by his wacky ideals.

EvanZ · Post #216 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:51 pm

Whoops! I meant 2016. LOL

LloydFree · Post #217 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:19 pm

EvanZ wrote:Okafor is a PF if this was 1978. In 2016 he's a center coming off the bench. He'll never be a starter on a playoff-caliber team.

Pretty much this. See Vucevic and Greg Monroe. But maybe he'll get lucky on someday, where a Russian owner trades his next 10 first round picks to put some fading All-star vets around him to drag him into the playoffs for a series.

the_process · Post #218 » by **the_process** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:30 am

I'm kinda thinking the Sixers will end up trading both Noel and Okafor if Embiid makes it through the year.

Post #219 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:16 am

EvanZ wrote:Okafor is a PF if this was 1978. In 2016 he's a center coming off the bench. He'll never be a starter on a playoff-caliber team.

There were no 6'11" power forwards in 1978, and Okafor would have been the heaviest player in the league by like 15-20 pounds.

This idea that Okafor should be a power forward but isn't because of some obsession with small ball was created in some dark corner of the internet. He would have been a center 40 years ago. He would have been a center 20 years ago. He's a center now. The people that want him to play him at power forward now are the ones trying to do a gimmick. It may or may not work (obviously people can guess my opinion on it) but its a gimmick nonetheless.

SelfishPlayer · Post #220 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:00 am

Pau Gasol 7'0" 250 sometimes a PF, sometimes a center depending on what the team needed entering the season or what they want in game from moment to moment. NBA champion...

Tim Duncan 7'00" 250 champion...

LaMarcus Aldridge 6'11" 260...

Zach Randolph 6'9" 260 PF that has experienced deep playoff runs on a perennial playoff team.

Empirical data says that big power forwards can be used successfully in the NBA... :roll: