2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[eagereyez]

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His defense is truly underrated. Might be the best perimeter defender in this class. I said it before, but while everyone comfortably zigs (Monk, Ball) to be the next Warriors, we should be zagging to play air tight defense on these guys. I'd rather Curry be chucking up 30+ foot shots because he's being pestered to hell by Mitchell than trying to go shot for shot with him.

That's why I'm on board with someone like OG Anunoby because his offense can be tinkered to the point where he's a good role player, but on defense, he's the same size/length and about the same athleticism (maybe not anymore after the injury) as LeBron. He has the chops to give someone like LeBron trouble.

OG and Isaac are the most versatile defenders in this draft and it would be great to leave with at least one of them.

Hinkie zagged off a cliff and out of a job when he tried the no defense low-post experiment with Okafor. There are some trends that I don't think you can break. 3 pt shooting is one of them.

[76ciology]

JOSH JACKSON LIVEFEED INSTAGRAM SHOOTING 3s NOW

That's not good. Want Boston​ to stay asleep.

Dont worry he missed a lot.

[sixerhp3]

is DSJ had no injury concerns would we pick him at 3?

[Unbreakable99]

is DSJ had no injury concerns would we pick him at 3?

It was only an ACL injury. I don't see any concerns.

[LloydFree]

is DSJ had no injury concerns would we pick him at 3?

I don't think DSj's injury history is the thing that is his biggest problem. Anybody can get hurt. He was healthy this whole past year. I think showing consistent effort and his lack of size is #1 and #2 reason why he isn't considered a top 3 pick.

[Unbreakable99]

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[Negrodamus]

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His defense is truly underrated. Might be the best perimeter defender in this class. I said it before, but while everyone comfortably zigs (Monk, Ball) to be the next Warriors, we should be zagging to play air tight defense on these guys. I'd rather Curry be chucking up 30+ foot shots because he's being pestered to hell by Mitchell than trying to go shot for shot with him.

That's why I'm on board with someone like OG Anunoby because his offense can be tinkered to the point where he's a good role player, but on defense, he's the same size/length and about the same athleticism (maybe not anymore after the injury) as LeBron. He has the chops to give someone like LeBron trouble.

OG and Isaac are the most versatile defenders in this draft and it would be great to leave with at least one of them.

Hinkie zagged off a cliff and out of a job when he tried the no defense low-post experiment with Okafor. There are some trends that I don't think you can break. 3 pt shooting is one of them.

Mitchell projects to be one of the best volume three point shooters in this draft. He just happens to be an elite defender on the perimeter. The drafting of Okafor isn't really pertinent here. Literally every player I discussed can play elite defense and shoot threes (aside from OG).

[eagereyez]

His defense is truly underrated. Might be the best perimeter defender in this class. I said it before, but while everyone comfortably zigs (Monk, Ball) to be the next Warriors, we should be zagging to play air tight defense on these guys. I'd rather Curry be chucking up 30+ foot shots because he's being pestered to hell by Mitchell than trying to go shot for shot with him.

That's why I'm on board with someone like OG Anunoby because his offense can be tinkered to the point where he's a good role player, but on defense, he's the same size/length and about the same athleticism (maybe not anymore after the injury) as LeBron. He has the chops to give someone like LeBron trouble.

OG and Isaac are the most versatile defenders in this draft and it would be great to leave with at least one of them.

Hinkie zagged off a cliff and out of a job when he tried the no defense low-post experiment with Okafor. There are some trends that I don't think you can break. 3 pt shooting is one of them.

Mitchell projects to be one of the best volume three point shooters in this draft. He just happens to be an elite defender on the perimeter. The drafting of Okafor isn't really pertinent here. Literally every player I discussed can play elite defense and shoot threes (aside from OG).

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Just saying that the zag quote can be taken too far.. obviously.

[Negrodamus]

Hinkie zagged off a cliff and out of a job when he tried the no defense low-post experiment with Okafor. There are some trends that I don't think you can break. 3 pt shooting is one of them.

Mitchell projects to be one of the best volume three point shooters in this draft. He just happens to be an elite defender on the perimeter. The drafting of Okafor isn't really pertinent here. Literally every player I discussed can play elite defense and shoot threes (aside from OG).

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Just saying that the zag quote can be taken too far.. obviously.

There's always the theory that Okafor was picked against his will.

Even if that's false, no GM bats 100%. He was a national champion with elite length, size, and very good mobility for a near 7 fter. He just doesn't have it. I think he was considered a unanimous top 3 pick at all times before the draft.

[eagereyez]

Mitchell projects to be one of the best volume three point shooters in this draft. He just happens to be an elite defender on the perimeter. The drafting of Okafor isn't really pertinent here. Literally every player I discussed can play elite defense and shoot threes (aside from OG).

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Just saying that the zag quote can be taken too far.. obviously.

There's always the theory that Okafor was picked against his will.

Even if that's false, no GM bats 100%. He was a national champion with elite length, size, and very good mobility for a near 7 fter. He just doesn't have it. I think he was considered a unanimous top 3 pick at all times before the draft.

Even if he had "it" I don't think he would have been a championship quality center. The things he does poorly - rebounding, pick n roll defense, rim protection - are the biggest needs for a center right now. There are some trends that just can't be broken.

And he doesn't have elite length btw. He's around the 70th percentile last I checked. Gobert and Embiid have elite length.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Just saying that the zag quote can be taken too far.. obviously.

There's always the theory that Okafor was picked against his will.

Even if that's false, no GM bats 100%. He was a national champion with elite length, size, and very good mobility for a near 7 fter. He just doesn't have it. I think he was considered a unanimous top 3 pick at all times before the draft.

Even if he had "it" I don't think he would have been a championship quality center. The things he does poorly - rebounding, pick n roll defense, rim protection - are the biggest needs for a center right now. There are some trends that just can't be broken.

And he doesn't have elite length btw. He's around the 70th percentile last I checked. Gobert and Embiid have elite length.

Sort of getting off the original (good) point though. People are too focused on trying to replicate the Warriors, ignoring that 5 years ago the idea of the Warriors being a championship contender was pretty questionable. Now people are convinced that their system is the final form of basketball and there's no way to better it. Anyone who has followed the league for long enough knows that it reinvents itself every few years. And the people that end up anticipating the change are the ones that benefit.

Obviously there has to be sound logic in the "zagging." Otherwise it is just being contrarian.

[SelfishPlayer]

Okafor would have looked pretty good for the Wizards during the playoffs. He still to date has mostly had TJ, Henderson, and Stauskas as his guards. Wall, Beal, and Okafor would all look better together than each looked last season with Gortat, TJ, Henderson, and Stauskas.

[eagereyez]

We're already "zagging" pretty hard just by having Embiid. Its been so long since the league has seen a truly dominant center. I believe that small-ball is a trend that can be zagged, but not 3 pt. shooting. The NBA has been trending toward more 3 pt. shooting for a long time, way before this Warriors team got together. I don't see an end to that trend without a rule change.

[broseph13]

I think we should get Frank Mason in the second round with one of our picks. Especially if we draft Jackson.

I honestly have no idea why Frank Mason is considered a mid/late 2nd rounder after the season he had. And for people who say he's too small, he measured a legit 6'0 in shoes (same height as CP3) at the combine and weighs a solid 190. That said, this team should use their pick in the 30s to snatch Mason up.

[cksdayoff]

I think we should get Frank Mason in the second round with one of our picks. Especially if we draft Jackson.

I honestly have no idea why Frank Mason is considered a mid/late 2nd rounder after the season he had. And for people who say he's too small, he measured a legit 6'0 in shoes (same height as CP3) at the combine and weighs a solid 190. That said, this team should use their pick in the 30s to snatch Mason up.

If Mason had an average sized head he would be 5'8" in shoes

[Negrodamus]

Yeah I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Just saying that the zag quote can be taken too far.. obviously.

There's always the theory that Okafor was picked against his will.

Even if that's false, no GM bats 100%. He was a national champion with elite length, size, and very good mobility for a near 7 fter. He just doesn't have it. I think he was considered a unanimous top 3 pick at all times before the draft.

Even if he had "it" I don't think he would have been a championship quality center. The things he does poorly - rebounding, pick n roll defense, rim protection - are the biggest needs for a center right now. There are some trends that just can't be broken.

And he doesn't have elite length btw. He's around the 70th percentile last I checked. Gobert and Embiid have elite length.

The only numbers I'm seeing for Embiid was a 7'5 wingspan at the Hoop Summit back in 2013. Okafor measured the same wingspan at his combine. i know Okafor had a shorter standing reach than expected, but at this point, the semantics of this argument are unhinging the original point.

[51X3RF4N]

I was thinking the only thing that might cause a Sacramento 5 and 10 trade is if Jackson goes #1, and the Lakers feel good about Ball falling to 5. They might swap 2 for 5 and 10. Sacto takes Fultz to keep him on the west coast and in purple, and to be the Steph to Buddy's Klay.

1. Jackson
2. Fultz to SAC
3. Isaac
4. Tatum
5. Ball to LAL



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[Foshan]

Love the idea of Isaac & Monk.

Simmons / Monk / RoCo / Isaac / Embiid (offenseively)

Monk / Roco / Isaac / Simmons / Embiid (defensively)

Not bad. I do think RoCo and Isaac will neutralize the massive defensive deficiencies of Monk. I'm curious as to how the rotation will work, as in, when Simmons is on the bench.

Well I think when you hit the bench you are looking at

TJ or JB as primary ball handler, with Saric secondary dominate handler. TLC/Holmes round out

[Negrodamus]

Love the idea of Isaac & Monk.

Simmons / Monk / RoCo / Isaac / Embiid (offenseively)

Monk / Roco / Isaac / Simmons / Embiid (defensively)

Not bad. I do think RoCo and Isaac will neutralize the massive defensive deficiencies of Monk. I'm curious as to how the rotation will work, as in, when Simmons is on the bench.

Well I think when you hit the bench you are looking at

TJ or JB as primary ball handler, with Saric secondary dominate handler. TLC/Holmes round out

I guess my question is more about if Monk and Simmons have to be on the court together. For example, what does a rotation without Simmons but with Monk look like? Is he's the PG or SG?

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