Brett Brown : Not Today!

[AirP.]

There are too many articles both by mainstream (The Trib) and non-mainstream media reporting
that Tibbs ignored the Bulls' medical team mandates to restrict minutes. I'm not disputing Wolfson's
or Krawczynski's reports or that Bulls' management might have the sort of pull with the media that
the Colangelos did, but you're asking an awful lot to believe two or three guys over everyone else.

Your argument that Thibs was forced by the owner to re-up Wiggins in Minnesota is more believable.

But we have a particular situation with our franchise player's injury history that we shouldn't take
a risk.

Yes, the Noah situation, Thibs ignored the FO and let Noah dictate how many minutes he'd play. The players can always say they need to come out and in interviews, they mention that from time to time, but most of the time they don't want to come out. What's interesting is that Chicago's FO cited minutes with Butler as a problem they had with him and then said nothing when Hoiberg ran him 37 minutes a night his 2 seasons with him.

The minutes "problem" in the NBA seemed to come from San Antonio when their players were breaking down and getting older and they started playing their main(but older) guys shorter minutes. I absolutely get that more minutes add wear and tear but I've not seen that much evidence that it's doing all that much damage, especially for players who keep themselves in great shape, LeBron has been incredibly resilient but he also spends tons of money to keep himself that way.

No matter who the coach is, it's on Elton Brand to bring in a defensive center to let Embiid rest, the team can generate more than enough points to win if they have good defense to go with it. Maybe keep Boban for the regular season, he can do well in certain matches, but this team needs to find a mobile shot-blocking center to give Embiid rest. I had hoped Patton would end up being that and he was released to bring in Monroe, then again Patton had his option declined by Minnesota already.

[hookshot199]

There are too many articles both by mainstream (The Trib) and non-mainstream media reporting
that Tibbs ignored the Bulls' medical team mandates to restrict minutes. I'm not disputing Wolfson's
or Krawczynski's reports or that Bulls' management might have the sort of pull with the media that
the Colangelos did, but you're asking an awful lot to believe two or three guys over everyone else.

Your argument that Thibs was forced by the owner to re-up Wiggins in Minnesota is more believable.

But we have a particular situation with our franchise player's injury history that we shouldn't take
a risk.

Yes, the Noah situation, Thibs ignored the FO and let Noah dictate how many minutes he'd play. The players can always say they need to come out and in interviews, they mention that from time to time, but most of the time they don't want to come out. What's interesting is that Chicago's FO cited minutes with Butler as a problem they had with him and then said nothing when Hoiberg ran him 37 minutes a night his 2 seasons with him.

The minutes "problem" in the NBA seemed to come from San Antonio when their players were breaking down and getting older and they started playing their main(but older) guys shorter minutes. I absolutely get that more minutes add wear and tear but I've not seen that much evidence that it's doing all that much damage, especially for players who keep themselves in great shape, LeBron has been incredibly resilient but he also spends tons of money to keep himself that way.

No matter who the coach is, it's on Elton Brand to bring in a defensive center to let Embiid rest, the team can generate more than enough points to win if they have good defense to go with it. Maybe keep Boban for the regular season, he can do well in certain matches, but this team needs to find a mobile shot-blocking center to give Embiid rest. I had hoped Patton would end up being that and he was released to bring in Monroe, then again Patton had his option declined by Minnesota already.

Wasn't one of Jimmy's "issues" in Minnesota about minutes restrictions?

As for the rest, just go back through the game logs leading up to the all star break,
immediately following the all star break (when he missed eight consecutive games,
and then after he came back (and we were informed about "load management") and
he played 35 or more minutes in five of 10 games, missing another four because of pain.

That's on both Brand and the coach...and our medical staff, which will be the fallback
of some on the forum.

Proof is the results: He missed 12 out of the final 22 games and came into the playoffs
looking out of shape.

[PhillyPhilly]

Joel's come out and defended Brown which is no surprise considering he's allowed to do as he pleases under Brett's watch. People will be feeling sorry for Brett because of the nature of the defeat. But when you look back to game four that is what cost us In the end imo.

[USWAY]

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Whoever said that Jimmy would not sign if Brett came back needs to cut it out

[hookshot199]

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Whoever said that Jimmy would not sign if Brett came back needs to cut it out

They're both saying the right things. Jimmy wants his payday. He wants to play with Embiid.
Brown's called him "the adult in the room" (that must have been a first) and is giving him a
voice in running the offense. So it might work out.

And this summer we can all sit around the campfire singing "Kumbaya" while we watch and
hope that Brand adds pieces. And then next year, see if Brett plays them.

[Kobblehead]

We basically ended our game with three straight shotclock violation type of possessions. He's just not a playoff calibur coach.

Brett has a spot in this league as a head coach. He can provide great service as a coach on a lottery team. He just is incapable of steering the ship on a playoff team.

[youngcrev]

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Whoever said that Jimmy would not sign if Brett came back needs to cut it out

I believe he said that was the feeling before the playoffs, so based on that comment, it's very possible that it was true at the time and that things have changed since. That comment isn't exactly indictive of a relationship that was strong from the start

[PhillyPhilly]

Really what else would you expect the players to say? If he's still here next season they would have to face him so of course they are gonna sing his praises. The Gm and owners need to be brave here and make the change imo. Otherwise how can they be taken seriously moving forward? You told the world what the goal was and he failed, it's that simple.

[Mik317]

Jimmy is trying to get paid.

Dude isn't going to rock any boats until then lol.

[VDT]

Really what else would you expect the players to say? If he's still here next season they would have to face him so of course they are gonna sing his praises. The Gm and owners need to be brave here and make the change imo. Otherwise how can they be taken seriously moving forward? You told the world what the goal was and he failed, it's that simple.

Half or more of the NBA has failed to achieve their goals, starting from Brad Stevens and the Celtics. Should half of the coaches lose their jobs> Failing in such a competitive environment is a given at least some of the years. An if someone should take the blame for the failure you should first look at the players of the team starting from Embiid imo before criticizing the coach.

[PhillyPhilly]

Really what else would you expect the players to say? If he's still here next season they would have to face him so of course they are gonna sing his praises. The Gm and owners need to be brave here and make the change imo. Otherwise how can they be taken seriously moving forward? You told the world what the goal was and he failed, it's that simple.

Half or more of the NBA has failed to achieve their goals, starting from Brad Stevens and the Celtics. Should half of the coaches lose their jobs> Failing in such a competitive environment is a given at least some of the years. An if someone should take the blame for the failure you should first look at the players of the team starting from Embiid imo before criticizing the coach.

Well firstly Stevens has at least reached the East finals and the Boston GM and owner didn't publically talk about their expectations for this year. Nor did they make big trades this season to help Brad.

[youngcrev]

I hadn't seen the Embiid quote until now

Embiid called the idea that Brown might be fired "bulls---," saying, "He's done a fantastic job. He's been there through everything.

"This year I think he grew even more as a coach. He learned, we all learned.

"At the end of the day, it comes down to the players. I don't think he should have anything to worry about. He's an amazing coach, a better person. ... If there was someone to blame, I mean, put it all on me."

I think that says it all. This is a players league. Embiid is the franchise player, and likely has almost as much say as anyone as to what happens next.

[PhillyPhilly]

It's not up to Embiid, Simmons, Butler etc. It's up to the owners and Brand, and if they feel someone else can do better then they will pull the trigger. It's interesting to note that there has been no confirmation as yet that Brett is staying. I guess we might hear more tomorrow but imo the FO and ownership would be foolish to not at least think about and discuss the possibilities of getting another coach.

[youngcrev]

It's not up to Embiid, Simmons, Butler etc. It's up to the owners and Brand, and if they feel someone else can do better then they will pull the trigger. It's interesting to note that there has been no confirmation as yet that Brett is staying. I guess we might hear more tomorrow but imo the FO and ownership would be foolish to not at least think about and discuss the possibilities of getting another coach.

Ownership, sure. There's no way Brand has more pull than Jo in the organization than Jo when it comes to getting rid of Brett.

[Skates]

Can we all be honest that Josh Harris is the weakest link in all of these discussions? Give me a choice of changing GM< coach or owner and I will choose the latter every single time.

[James40]

It's not up to Embiid, Simmons, Butler etc. It's up to the owners and Brand, and if they feel someone else can do better then they will pull the trigger. It's interesting to note that there has been no confirmation as yet that Brett is staying. I guess we might hear more tomorrow but imo the FO and ownership would be foolish to not at least think about and discuss the possibilities of getting another coach.

Ownership, sure. There's no way Brand has more pull than Jo in the organization than Jo when it comes to getting rid of Brett.

If ownership feels the Sixers underachieved because they were more talented than the Raptors, then he’s gone no matter what Embiid feels. He’s gotta win something I believe before he has that kind of pull.

They are looking at committing a lot of time and money to Butler and maybe Harris starting this year, if they don’t feel Brown is the guy to get them past the 2nd round with those guys, he’s also likely gone.

[PhilasFinest]

I really don’t want to see some retread hire here out of desperation.

Was everything perfect? No. But Brown coached the team, throughout massive roster changes during the season, to a 50+ win season and despite our 2 young stars playing poorly, got bounced in a game 7 with one of the most ridiculous buzzer beaters I’ve ever seen in round 2.

I think if we’re bringing back Butler/Harris, you run it back for 1 year and see what the team can do with an entire training camp/offseason to learn its players and utilize them well.

[bondom34]

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Great news IMO

[Mik317]

and I guess thats that.

[Sixerscan]

Any other choice would have been dumb.

2020 Finals or bust.