Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[youngcrev]

Brandon Ingram is rapidly-approaching being an elite level shotcreator. That's pretty unheard of at his 6'9" size. He's virtually unguardable right now and he hasn't even turned 23 yet.

Unless you think taking Embiid away from this team crumbles it to pieces, it's worth considering.

Doesn't crumble them to pieces because the fit would be improved based on the current makeup of the roster, but it lowers their ceiling.

If you think Ingram is on some linear trajectory from last year to this one and next, I guess he could become that type of guy. I don't think he's as valuable offensively as his raw numbers would suggest from this year.

[Negrodamus]

Continuity helps sell merchandise. Joel is playing extremely well, there doesn't seem to be a fracture in the relationship, the city embraces him, and the organization is making a killing off him. I very much doubt he is going anywhere any time soon.

[Kobblehead]

I think the Sixers would be a pretty decent 43-46 win team if you subtracted Joel Embiid. Adding an unguardable 22 year old 3-level scorer would raise their ceiling substantial because we'd actually have a closer to grant us playoff viability.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think we should find a 3rd banana to pair with Embiid-Simmons rather than trade either of them. It's been painfully obvious we need a perimeter scoring guard to complement them. Hopefully, our oblivious front office will realize this and not chase another 3&D wing or big. The one thing I appreciate about BC is that he had this insight and went for it, even if it didn't pan out.

[Kobblehead]

It appears that we're stuck in marriage with both Horford and Harris. Both are horrendous assets with virtually no movability on the trade market.

We whiffed on Fultz.
We failed to act on Gilgeous-Alexander.
We got a quick divorce from Butler.
We didn't pursue Walker.

I don't know how many more opportunities we'll get to add a closer to the Joel/Ben pairing. Eventually, they're going to dry up and our window will have closed.

[Negrodamus]

It appears that we're stuck in marriage with both Horford and Harris. Both are horrendous assets with virtually no movability on the trade market.

We whiffed on Fultz.
We failed to act on Gilgeous-Alexander.
We got a quick divorce from Butler.
We didn't pursue Walker.

I don't know how many more opportunities we'll get to add a closer to the Joel/Ben pairing. Eventually, they're going to dry up and our window will have closed.

Horford is obviously horrible, but Tobias is sneakily worse. Tobias completely derails the offense and provides little on defense. Horford is a bad contract but provides a fit in certain lineups.

The commitment to both should put pressure on ownership to re-evaluate the people making decisions for this team.

[Kobblehead]

Horford is obviously horrible, but Tobias is sneakily worse. Tobias completely derails the offense and provides little on defense. Horford is a bad contract but provides a fit in certain lineups.

The commitment to both should put pressure on ownership to re-evaluate the people making decisions for this team.

The Colangelo group has their hooks sank so deeply in Josh Harris. There's always a chance they cannibalize Elton Brand and pivot onto Jay Wright. We just need Jay Wright to get the itch to make the jump.

Make Jay President of Basketball Ops and sit in the front office for a year and then push Brown out and make his way down to the coaching bench.

[ProcessDoctor]

It appears that we're stuck in marriage with both Horford and Harris. Both are horrendous assets with virtually no movability on the trade market.

We whiffed on Fultz.
We failed to act on Gilgeous-Alexander.
We got a quick divorce from Butler.
We didn't pursue Walker.

I don't know how many more opportunities we'll get to add a closer to the Joel/Ben pairing. Eventually, they're going to dry up and our window will have closed.

Horford is obviously horrible, but Tobias is sneakily worse. Tobias completely derails the offense and provides little on defense. Horford is a bad contract but provides a fit in certain lineups.

The commitment to both should put pressure on ownership to re-evaluate the people making decisions for this team.

If I had to pick one to keep, it’s Horford easily. One year less on his contract, good Embiid insurance, more impactful by most advanced metrics, and fits with Ben. Harris should be the centerpiece of whatever trade we do this summer.

[youngcrev]

It appears that we're stuck in marriage with both Horford and Harris. Both are horrendous assets with virtually no movability on the trade market.

We whiffed on Fultz.
We failed to act on Gilgeous-Alexander.
We got a quick divorce from Butler.
We didn't pursue Walker.

I don't know how many more opportunities we'll get to add a closer to the Joel/Ben pairing. Eventually, they're going to dry up and our window will have closed.

Horford is obviously horrible, but Tobias is sneakily worse. Tobias completely derails the offense and provides little on defense. Horford is a bad contract but provides a fit in certain lineups.

The commitment to both should put pressure on ownership to re-evaluate the people making decisions for this team.

If I had to pick one to keep, it’s Horford easily. One year less on his contract, good Embiid insurance, more impactful by most advanced metrics, and fits with Ben. Harris should be the centerpiece of whatever trade we do this summer.

Maybe, simply because you might actually be able to get something more useful back for him. I don't see how Horford's a better fit though if he can't play with our 2 best players at the same time (and might not be able to successfully play with our best player at all). Harris is a pretty good compliment to the two of them. Lineups with the Jo, Ben and Tobias on the floor without Horford are at 1.175 PPP. I think he provides far more value to this team than Horford does.

[Kobblehead]

We always talked about Horford being Embiid's rest and injury insurance, but I don't rule out the possibility that management viewed him also being Embiid trade insurance.

[SparksFly87]

Horford is obviously horrible, but Tobias is sneakily worse. Tobias completely derails the offense and provides little on defense. Horford is a bad contract but provides a fit in certain lineups.

The commitment to both should put pressure on ownership to re-evaluate the people making decisions for this team.

If I had to pick one to keep, it’s Horford easily. One year less on his contract, good Embiid insurance, more impactful by most advanced metrics, and fits with Ben. Harris should be the centerpiece of whatever trade we do this summer.

Maybe, simply because you might actually be able to get something more useful back for him. I don't see how Horford's a better fit though if he can't play with our 2 best players at the same time (and might not be able to successfully play with our best player at all). Harris is a pretty good compliment to the two of them. Lineups with the Jo, Ben and Tobias on the floor without Horford are at 1.175 PPP. I think he provides far more value to this team than Horford does.

Exactly. Tobias is actually a good fit . Horford however is not. Also Josh Richardson isn’t ideal either. You keep Simmons and Embiid together at all cost and build a team that actually compliments their games.

Such as Horford, JRich and ( Zhiare, Shayok) for Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes package.

This type of deal fixes our problems immediately giving us outside shooting and ability to get to the rim on break downs. Both of these players allow Simmons and Embiid to flourish in the midrange and paint area where they do best and what is required from your best players. Their games fit our team much better giving us the versatility and production at high level with out needing the ball and clogging the post.


Embiid
Tobias /
Barnes/
Hield/
Simmons




Kings add defense and tenacity. Horford is great fit at center to surround their young 4’s . Josh Rich adds defense and athleticism around Bogdanovic.

Horford
Bagley/Giles
Bogdanovic
JRich
Fox

[Sportfan73]

We always talked about Horford being Embiid's rest and injury insurance, but I don't rule out the possibility that management viewed him also being Embiid trade insurance.

I know one thing. Unless there’s issues with his back Simmons stays over Embiid 10 out of 10 times. To much long term outlook with Simmons. Imagine he develops a jump shot even by 30. Think about the Jason Kidd effect. There’s SO MUCH longevity to Simmons game if he’s healthy.

[ProcessDoctor]

Horford is obviously horrible, but Tobias is sneakily worse. Tobias completely derails the offense and provides little on defense. Horford is a bad contract but provides a fit in certain lineups.

The commitment to both should put pressure on ownership to re-evaluate the people making decisions for this team.

If I had to pick one to keep, it’s Horford easily. One year less on his contract, good Embiid insurance, more impactful by most advanced metrics, and fits with Ben. Harris should be the centerpiece of whatever trade we do this summer.

Maybe, simply because you might actually be able to get something more useful back for him. I don't see how Horford's a better fit though if he can't play with our 2 best players at the same time (and might not be able to successfully play with our best player at all). Harris is a pretty good compliment to the two of them. Lineups with the Jo, Ben and Tobias on the floor without Horford are at 1.175 PPP. I think he provides far more value to this team than Horford does.

I think you can attribute that production to Embiid and Simmons though. You could probably plug in numerous players with Embiid and Simmons in 3-man lineups and have it be successful.

However, I agree it’s not ideal Horford can’t play with Embiid though. I don’t have the numbers off-hand but I know the NET RTG with Ben, Embiid, and Al is horrendous though.

It’s a situation I’d rather not be in, but I don’t think we can go into next season with both still on the roster.

[LeonJordanJr24]

If I had to pick one to keep, it’s Horford easily. One year less on his contract, good Embiid insurance, more impactful by most advanced metrics, and fits with Ben. Harris should be the centerpiece of whatever trade we do this summer.

Maybe, simply because you might actually be able to get something more useful back for him. I don't see how Horford's a better fit though if he can't play with our 2 best players at the same time (and might not be able to successfully play with our best player at all). Harris is a pretty good compliment to the two of them. Lineups with the Jo, Ben and Tobias on the floor without Horford are at 1.175 PPP. I think he provides far more value to this team than Horford does.

Exactly. Tobias is actually a good fit . Horford however is not. Also Josh Richardson isn’t ideal either. You keep Simmons and Embiid together at all cost and build a team that actually compliments their games.

Such as Horford, JRich and ( Zhiare, Shayok) for Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes package.

This type of deal fixes our problems immediately giving us outside shooting and ability to get to the rim on break downs. Both of these players allow Simmons and Embiid to flourish in the midrange and paint area where they do best and what is required from your best players. Their games fit our team much better giving us the versatility and production at high level with out needing the ball and clogging the post.


Embiid
Tobias /
Barnes/
Hield/
Simmons




Kings add defense and tenacity. Horford is great fit at center to surround their young 4’s . Josh Rich adds defense and athleticism around Bogdanovic.

Horford
Bagley/Giles
Bogdanovic
JRich
Fox

Horford , Josh Richardson , Zhiare Smith and 1st for Buddy Hield , Harrison Barnes and late 2nd.

[youngcrev]

If I had to pick one to keep, it’s Horford easily. One year less on his contract, good Embiid insurance, more impactful by most advanced metrics, and fits with Ben. Harris should be the centerpiece of whatever trade we do this summer.

Maybe, simply because you might actually be able to get something more useful back for him. I don't see how Horford's a better fit though if he can't play with our 2 best players at the same time (and might not be able to successfully play with our best player at all). Harris is a pretty good compliment to the two of them. Lineups with the Jo, Ben and Tobias on the floor without Horford are at 1.175 PPP. I think he provides far more value to this team than Horford does.

I think you can attribute that production to Embiid and Simmons though. You could probably plug in numerous players with Embiid and Simmons in 3-man lineups and have it be successful.

However, I agree it’s not ideal Horford can’t play with Embiid though. I don’t have the numbers off-hand but I know the NET RTG with Ben, Embiid, and Al is horrendous though.

It’s a situation I’d rather not be in, but I don’t think we can go into next season with both still on the roster.

Why's that? It's not like those 2 are great offensive players. There's been a noticeable bump in teams ORTG since Tobias showed up. He's a quality scoring forward. Not the level of impact you'd hope to get out of that amount of money, but that is what it is. I think he fits great with those 2, he just doesn't fill the the perimeter playmaking void.

[ProcessDoctor]

Maybe, simply because you might actually be able to get something more useful back for him. I don't see how Horford's a better fit though if he can't play with our 2 best players at the same time (and might not be able to successfully play with our best player at all). Harris is a pretty good compliment to the two of them. Lineups with the Jo, Ben and Tobias on the floor without Horford are at 1.175 PPP. I think he provides far more value to this team than Horford does.

I think you can attribute that production to Embiid and Simmons though. You could probably plug in numerous players with Embiid and Simmons in 3-man lineups and have it be successful.

However, I agree it’s not ideal Horford can’t play with Embiid though. I don’t have the numbers off-hand but I know the NET RTG with Ben, Embiid, and Al is horrendous though.

It’s a situation I’d rather not be in, but I don’t think we can go into next season with both still on the roster.

Why's that? It's not like those 2 are great offensive players. There's been a noticeable bump in teams ORTG since Tobias showed up. He's a quality scoring forward. Not the level of impact you'd hope to get out of that amount of money, but that is what it is. I think he fits great with those 2, he just doesn't fill the the perimeter playmaking void.

I base that on the fact that 3-man lineup NET RTGs with those two plus Cov, Redick, or Saric in 2017 were better than the NET RTG of Simmons + Embiid + Harris this year and last year.

He has a nice skillset, but is overpaid and will never be optimized here.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I think you can attribute that production to Embiid and Simmons though. You could probably plug in numerous players with Embiid and Simmons in 3-man lineups and have it be successful.

However, I agree it’s not ideal Horford can’t play with Embiid though. I don’t have the numbers off-hand but I know the NET RTG with Ben, Embiid, and Al is horrendous though.

It’s a situation I’d rather not be in, but I don’t think we can go into next season with both still on the roster.

Why's that? It's not like those 2 are great offensive players. There's been a noticeable bump in teams ORTG since Tobias showed up. He's a quality scoring forward. Not the level of impact you'd hope to get out of that amount of money, but that is what it is. I think he fits great with those 2, he just doesn't fill the the perimeter playmaking void.

I base that on the fact that 3-man lineup NET RTGs with those two plus Cov, Redick, or Saric in 2017 were better than the NET RTG of Simmons + Embiid + Harris this year and last year.

He has a nice skillset, but is overpaid and will never be optimized here.

Tobias although is overpaid is a way more dynamic offensive player than Cov and Dario. Also those were all floor spacers exclusively as well as Redick. Tobias can flat out get his own bucket and consistently avg around 20 without needing the ball.

[ProcessDoctor]

Why's that? It's not like those 2 are great offensive players. There's been a noticeable bump in teams ORTG since Tobias showed up. He's a quality scoring forward. Not the level of impact you'd hope to get out of that amount of money, but that is what it is. I think he fits great with those 2, he just doesn't fill the the perimeter playmaking void.

I base that on the fact that 3-man lineup NET RTGs with those two plus Cov, Redick, or Saric in 2017 were better than the NET RTG of Simmons + Embiid + Harris this year and last year.

He has a nice skillset, but is overpaid and will never be optimized here.

Tobias although is overpaid is a way more dynamic offensive player than Cov and Dario. Also those were all floor spacers exclusively as well as Redick. Tobias can flat out get his own bucket and consistently avg around 20 without needing the ball.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree he’s more versatile in a vacuum, which is why he got paid as such. My point is if that doesn’t result in a greater on-court impact, specifically around our franchise cornerstones, is he worth it?

[youngcrev]

I think you can attribute that production to Embiid and Simmons though. You could probably plug in numerous players with Embiid and Simmons in 3-man lineups and have it be successful.

However, I agree it’s not ideal Horford can’t play with Embiid though. I don’t have the numbers off-hand but I know the NET RTG with Ben, Embiid, and Al is horrendous though.

It’s a situation I’d rather not be in, but I don’t think we can go into next season with both still on the roster.

Why's that? It's not like those 2 are great offensive players. There's been a noticeable bump in teams ORTG since Tobias showed up. He's a quality scoring forward. Not the level of impact you'd hope to get out of that amount of money, but that is what it is. I think he fits great with those 2, he just doesn't fill the the perimeter playmaking void.

I base that on the fact that 3-man lineup NET RTGs with those two plus Cov, Redick, or Saric in 2017 were better than the NET RTG of Simmons + Embiid + Harris this year and last year.

He has a nice skillset, but is overpaid and will never be optimized here.

I'm talking about ORTG. Last year we saw three distinctive starting lineups after each trade they made.

With Cov/JJ/Dario lineup had an ORTG of 100.9 (huge step down from the previous years 115.4)

Jimmy/JJ/Chandler had an ORTG 116.3

Jimmy/JJ/Harris had an ORTG 121.9


The Cov/JJ/Dario lineup got exposed by Boston in the playoffs after being one of the top units in the league during the regular season, and weren't anywhere near as good when they came back last year. When you compare same year data, they were far better at the end of the year than the start.

As for Harris not being optimized with those two... How's that? Pretty much the only thing keeping this season from being the best of his career is that his 3 point percentage was down. In general, I don't see how those 2 prevent from doing anything being able to do what he does best. He can get plenty of open looks playing off those guys, and there's plenty of on ball perimeter possessions available to him.

[Kobblehead]

but is overpaid and will never be optimized here.

Sounds like you're talking about Ben Simmons.