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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#201 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:29 am

HotelVitale wrote:How to hold leads against good teams:


For us, it will be strong bench play.
Maxey -10 while PJ was +19.

We should be running some sort of a death unit with Maxey and the starters
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#202 » by mjkvol » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:32 am

phillynative wrote:Going back in forth between needing a back up PG or another wing. We probably need both but if you had to choose one?


A wing who can play some defense, rebound, and not be a black hole offensively would be nice.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#203 » by HotelVitale » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:33 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I didn't watch the game. Already knew we were going to jump out to a huge lead only to have it evaporate. The forum would go from comments like "Embiid goat", "Yo Harden is ballin", "McDaniels is awesom!","Bruh Maxey is a blur" to "WTF Doc!" "Paul Reed has the IQ of a goldfish", "I can't believe Embiid has to play 39 minutes", "Here comes the Mitchell dagger!" "We need Thybulle" "Only we would blow a 25 point leads!" "Team sucks!"
So yeah...I skipped the game. Nothing has changed. We're still going out in the 2nd round. You all know it, I know it, just stop watching this sport. Watch Indiana Jones movies and nothing more until the draft.
Actually though...It is nice going into the break on a win streak. Glad we held on and beat them tonight. We're better than a lot of us think.


Eh, it was actually a really good game overall. We clearly played better than a really good team, and I would definitely feel worse about that game if I were a Cavs fan--they lost the game and didn't seem up to our level for a lot of it. The Cavs also didn't play bad or sloppy at all overall and were also really really good at times (Garland had a killer game), and we were frankly awesome through a lot of it. And then Embiid showed out at the end and got us the win.

It's annoying to play awesome and then have to struggle to a win, but it wasn't a depressing game.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#204 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:38 am

HotelVitale wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I didn't watch the game. Already knew we were going to jump out to a huge lead only to have it evaporate. The forum would go from comments like "Embiid goat", "Yo Harden is ballin", "McDaniels is awesom!","Bruh Maxey is a blur" to "WTF Doc!" "Paul Reed has the IQ of a goldfish", "I can't believe Embiid has to play 39 minutes", "Here comes the Mitchell dagger!" "We need Thybulle" "Only we would blow a 25 point leads!" "Team sucks!"
So yeah...I skipped the game. Nothing has changed. We're still going out in the 2nd round. You all know it, I know it, just stop watching this sport. Watch Indiana Jones movies and nothing more until the draft.
Actually though...It is nice going into the break on a win streak. Glad we held on and beat them tonight. We're better than a lot of us think.


Eh, it was actually a really good game overall. We clearly played better than a really good team, and I would definitely feel worse about that game if I were a Cavs fan. The Cavs also didn't play bad at all overall and were really really good at times (Garland had a killer game), and we were frankly awesome through a lot of it. And then Embiid showed out at the end and got us the win.

It's annoying to play awesome and then have to struggle to a win, but it wasn't a depressing game.


Yeah man, I started to put it on at halftime and something told me not to do it. Call it superstition, or whatever, but my Sixer conscience told me not to get involved tonight. So I scoreboard watched instead. Glad to hear that we did look good though.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#205 » by rocketsfan100 » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:38 am

76 points conceded in the second half. That’s putrid stuff. The offense wasn’t much better. The first half the offense was fast and ball movement the second half was throw it to Embiid on the top of the key and everyone were rendered to spectators. No movement or force to the offense
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#206 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:42 am

blargh wrote:Doc would never do this, but we should have thrown Springer out there in the second half to guard one of Mitchell and Garland.


I do think we need to at least see what Springer can do before deciding our playoff roster. Personally I think Springer is closer to being ready than we're giving him credit for. Defensively is where I want to see him. Why can't he be our version of Pat Beverly?
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#207 » by Embiid P » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:52 am

mjkvol wrote:
phillynative wrote:Going back in forth between needing a back up PG or another wing. We probably need both but if you had to choose one?


A wing who can play some defense, rebound, and not be a black hole offensively would be nice.


Yup. McDaniels is nice to have but he's obviously not a starter. We need a young long athletic starting 3 and D wing more than anything.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#208 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:55 am

phillynative wrote:Going back in forth between needing a back up PG or another wing. We probably need both but if you had to choose one?


“Back-up PG” or a backcourt partner for Maxey. Someone who can dribble drive better than Melton.

watch how Brogdon-Derrick White be able to run their offense that Bucks needs 40pts from Giannis and Jrue.

The numbers does not show we need a defensive wing.

Alternating 3&4 between, Tucker/Tobi at and Niang/McDaniels looks good on paper. All 4 are good man to man and plus defenders for the team
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#209 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:00 am

Our bench should run like this Cavs squad we just beat. 2 combo guards who runs constant dribble drive then you have two lengthy 4&5 to anchor your defense. We have all that with the 2nd unit, except for another backcourt partner for Maxey.

Hell, Niang is very similar to Wade, Love or Markanen, who played SF for the Cavs.

This is where a lot of teams are heading now.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#210 » by Jay555 » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:03 am

76ciology wrote:
phillynative wrote:Going back in forth between needing a back up PG or another wing. We probably need both but if you had to choose one?


“Back-up PG” or a backcourt partner for Maxey. Someone who can dribble drive better than Melton.

watch how Brogdon-Derrick White be able to run their offense that Bucks needs 40pts from Giannis and Jrue.

The numbers does not show we need a defensive wing.

Alternating 3&4 between, Tucker/Tobi at and Niang/McDaniels looks good on paper. All 4 are good man to man and plus defenders for the team


Brogdon-Derrick can both be starters on many teams. Their depth is scary.

But you are right. Milton is supposed to be the guy but he's not gonna cut it unfortunately.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#211 » by 76ciology » Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:41 am

2nd half.

- You can see why its lopsided for guards to generate offense than wings or bigs. They can just get to the paint at will while the refs make it hard for anyone to defend them. It didnt help when Mitchell got hot.

- How can you play defense? You put McDaniels on Mitchell, and McDaniels will just be wiped off the screen. Stay too close and the shooter will kick you that you will be called for a foul. Even JVG complains about this. And if you sag off, most guys have a step back jumper in their bag. Easier to play great offense than to play good defense.

- Cavs exposed our lack of secondary rim protection. Mitchell draw Biid to challenge him then he would drop it off to a big or the big would even drop it off to another big

- when the game got closed, its quite obvious on who’s better prepared on crunch time. Maxey and Biid hit big shots. Cavs does not know who’s gonna shoot. Mobley missed point blank, he’s not used to scoring in crunch time. Down by 4, they even made a wrong move to foul while 15 secs run off the game clock.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#212 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:10 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:76 points conceded in the second half. That’s putrid stuff. The offense wasn’t much better. The first half the offense was fast and ball movement the second half was throw it to Embiid on the top of the key and everyone were rendered to spectators. No movement or force to the offense


Or it was Harden hold the ball for 10 secs , almost loose the ball and hold the ball some more
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#213 » by UptownPhilly » Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:27 am

To let go of a 27 point lead, is to say the least, deflating. However, we still managed to pull it off against one of the best teams. Kudos there.

I like that we got to see a good sample size of McDaniels and Reed. This team was in urgent need of athleticism, and we’ve got it now. Hopefully Doc allows them to keep playing consistent minutes.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#214 » by phillynative » Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:39 am

If we can get a big PG or Playmaker that could also guard wings. Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes type of guys.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#215 » by blargh » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:04 pm

76ciology wrote:
phillynative wrote:Going back in forth between needing a back up PG or another wing. We probably need both but if you had to choose one?


“Back-up PG” or a backcourt partner for Maxey. Someone who can dribble drive better than Melton.

watch how Brogdon-Derrick White be able to run their offense that Bucks needs 40pts from Giannis and Jrue.

The numbers does not show we need a defensive wing.



Boston has crazy depth at that role, but we’re not going to find somebody like that better than Shake at this point. I think he’ll be fine.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#216 » by Kobblehead » Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:17 pm

Signing Ty Jerome to the vet minimum can be an option over the summer. He's a 6'5" guy that can playmake/shoot/defend to acceptable degrees.

Not going to find an option to help with this season, at this point, though.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#217 » by Eyeamok » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:08 pm

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phillynative wrote:
We all know who that someone should be



The only guy on the team you can cut without losing money, and who is in and out of the rotation, is Reed. I guess you mean that.


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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#218 » by PhillyFan11 » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:16 pm

mjkvol wrote:
phillynative wrote:Going back in forth between needing a back up PG or another wing. We probably need both but if you had to choose one?


A wing who can play some defense, rebound, and not be a black hole offensively would be nice.


Most likely will never happen…but I think signing Will Barton and playing him 15-20 mins a night with the starters and having Melton off the bench to be PG for the backups would help a lot.

Harden-Melton
Barton-Maxey
Tobi-Niang
PJ- McDaniels
Jo-Reed

I think that balances out both lineups a bit better and gives the bench unit a PG that at least knows where the ball needs to be.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#219 » by Murray_17 » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:29 pm

Joel said that his foot is sore and he is thinking on not playing the all star game. Doctor recommend him to sit, originally, for 2 weeks but he has been playing anyway.
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Re: Game 57: Cavs @ 76ers 

Post#220 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:38 pm

phillynative wrote:If we can get a big PG or Playmaker that could also guard wings. Jalen Johnson, Scottie Barnes type of guys.


It’s crazy how close Ben was to being the perfect player lol too bad he’s a mental patient

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