ImageImageImage

2023 Sixers Summer League

Moderators: BullyKing, HartfordWhalers, sixers hoops, Foshan, Sixerscan

Negrodamus
RealGM
Posts: 26,729
And1: 17,355
Joined: Aug 05, 2004

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#201 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jul 9, 2023 1:34 pm

Clippers drafted Jordan Miller and Kobe Brown in a bid to make them my favorite team in the West. They had a mediocre start last night but flashes of what’s required to be great role players in the league.
User avatar
Arsenal
RealGM
Posts: 17,176
And1: 12,061
Joined: Jun 05, 2002
Location: Arlington, VA
 

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#202 » by Arsenal » Sun Jul 9, 2023 1:37 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Clippers drafted Jordan Miller and Kobe Brown in a bid to make them my favorite team in the West. They had a mediocre start last night but flashes of what’s required to be great role players in the league.


We should demand Kobe Brown as part of the Harden package.
Negrodamus
RealGM
Posts: 26,729
And1: 17,355
Joined: Aug 05, 2004

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#203 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:44 pm

There’s no way we could snag Eason from Houston. I think they know they have a future stud.
youngcrev
RealGM
Posts: 28,787
And1: 9,703
Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Location: Philadelphia(ish)
   

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#204 » by youngcrev » Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:53 pm

Negrodamus wrote:There’s no way we could snag Eason from Houston. I think they know they have a future stud.


I haven't paid much attention to the draft or summer league the last couple years and even I know that dude is a stud.
User avatar
Arsenal
RealGM
Posts: 17,176
And1: 12,061
Joined: Jun 05, 2002
Location: Arlington, VA
 

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#205 » by Arsenal » Sun Jul 9, 2023 11:11 pm

Negrodamus wrote:There’s no way we could snag Eason from Houston. I think they know they have a future stud.


We should have targeted him in the draft last year. Instead, we traded out for Melton in order to "win now." Paid massive dividends!
User avatar
Mik317
RealGM
Posts: 41,487
And1: 20,111
Joined: May 31, 2005
Location: In Spain...without the S
       

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#206 » by Mik317 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:06 am

Kobble's Biid comment about Wemby feels very apt....

team also struggling to get him the ball and Wemby desperately wants to be a guard/wing
#NeverGonnaBeGood
User avatar
Embiid P
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,060
And1: 2,290
Joined: Nov 07, 2013
     

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#207 » by Embiid P » Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:32 am

Man, wouldn't it be nice to actually have some draft picks and young players (aside from Maxey and Springer) to look forward to for the future? I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
User avatar
Mik317
RealGM
Posts: 41,487
And1: 20,111
Joined: May 31, 2005
Location: In Spain...without the S
       

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#208 » by Mik317 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:35 am

its sad but this summer league squad has been more enjoyable to watch than parts of last actual squad at times....
#NeverGonnaBeGood
User avatar
76ciology
RealGM
Posts: 66,525
And1: 27,383
Joined: Jun 06, 2002

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#209 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:02 am

Mik317 wrote:Kobble's Biid comment about Wemby feels very apt....

team also struggling to get him the ball and Wemby desperately wants to be a guard/wing


I think wemby will be better because he’s got insane reach to make easier entry pass and he can pass it to open guys easier because of his height. And lastly, he seems to be more durable, more skilled at his age and more driven to win a championship and less trying to be an MVP.
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
User avatar
Stanford
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 53,724
And1: 18,983
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Location: Parts Unknown
   

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#210 » by Stanford » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:08 am

76ciology wrote:less trying to be an MVP.


How could you possibly know that?
User avatar
76ciology
RealGM
Posts: 66,525
And1: 27,383
Joined: Jun 06, 2002

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#211 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:18 am

Read on Twitter
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
User avatar
76ciology
RealGM
Posts: 66,525
And1: 27,383
Joined: Jun 06, 2002

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#212 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:28 am

Stanford wrote:
76ciology wrote:less trying to be an MVP.


How could you possibly know that?


You can check his interview with JJ when he mentioned winning the championship as his goal. I think that lead to this is growing up with the Spurs culture.

Victor Wembanyama has not explicitly mentioned wanting to be the best player in the world or winning the MVP before entering the NBA. the closest quote you’ll get is when he said that he wants to be "the best version of myself" and that he wants to "win championships."

In an interview with Eurohoops, Wembanyama said, "I want to be the best version of myself. I want to be the best player I can be. I want to win championships. I want to be a leader. I want to be someone that people look up to."

For Embiid, it’s secondary to win the championship. And after 9 years, its obvious.

In a 2015 interview with ESPN, he said, "I want to be the best player in the world. I want to win a championship. I want to do it all."

Here are some other quotes from Embiid about winning a championship:

"I want to be remembered as one of the best players to ever play this game. And I want to win a championship."
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
User avatar
Stanford
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 53,724
And1: 18,983
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Location: Parts Unknown
   

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#213 » by Stanford » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:29 am

Oh please, everyone says that ****. You're easily fooled.
User avatar
76ciology
RealGM
Posts: 66,525
And1: 27,383
Joined: Jun 06, 2002

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#214 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:32 am

Until proven otherwise, its true.
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
Murray_17
RealGM
Posts: 14,098
And1: 14,317
Joined: Mar 20, 2020
   

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#215 » by Murray_17 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:46 am

76ciology wrote:Until proven otherwise, its true.



That's not how logic works
User avatar
76ciology
RealGM
Posts: 66,525
And1: 27,383
Joined: Jun 06, 2002

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#216 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:59 am

Murray_17 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Until proven otherwise, its true.



That's not how logic works


Yes, the saying "until proven otherwise" is applicable for logic. It is a form of default assumption, which means that we assume something to be true unless there is evidence to the contrary. This is a common practice in logic because it allows us to make progress in our reasoning without having to prove every single step along the way.

For example, if we see a cat sitting on a mat, we might assume that the cat is alive. This is because there is no evidence to suggest that the cat is dead. We could be wrong, of course, but the default assumption is that the cat is alive until we have evidence to the contrary.

The saying "until proven otherwise" is also used in the legal system. In a criminal trial, the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. This means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant does not have to prove their innocence.

The use of default assumptions in logic and the legal system is based on the principle of Occam's razor, which states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. In other words, we should not make things more complicated than they need to be. By assuming something to be true unless there is evidence to the contrary, we can simplify our reasoning and make it more efficient.
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
Negrodamus
RealGM
Posts: 26,729
And1: 17,355
Joined: Aug 05, 2004

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#217 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:05 am

But... Embiid said he wanted to win a championship. I'm not seeing the difference.
Skates
Head Coach
Posts: 7,311
And1: 3,855
Joined: Feb 18, 2008
       

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#218 » by Skates » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:08 am

Any player that says they don’t want to win the MVP is lying, those that don’t say anything about wanting to win an MVP are silently lying.
User avatar
76ciology
RealGM
Posts: 66,525
And1: 27,383
Joined: Jun 06, 2002

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#219 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:14 am

Everyone wants to. But which one is your priority? Championship or MVP?
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
Murray_17
RealGM
Posts: 14,098
And1: 14,317
Joined: Mar 20, 2020
   

Re: 2023 Sixers Summer League 

Post#220 » by Murray_17 » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:21 am

76ciology wrote:
Murray_17 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Until proven otherwise, its true.



That's not how logic works


Yes, the saying "until proven otherwise" is applicable for logic. It is a form of default assumption, which means that we assume something to be true unless there is evidence to the contrary. This is a common practice in logic because it allows us to make progress in our reasoning without having to prove every single step along the way.

For example, if we see a cat sitting on a mat, we might assume that the cat is alive. This is because there is no evidence to suggest that the cat is dead. We could be wrong, of course, but the default assumption is that the cat is alive until we have evidence to the contrary.

The saying "until proven otherwise" is also used in the legal system. In a criminal trial, the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. This means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant does not have to prove their innocence.

The use of default assumptions in logic and the legal system is based on the principle of Occam's razor, which states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. In other words, we should not make things more complicated than they need to be. By assuming something to be true unless there is evidence to the contrary, we can simplify our reasoning and make it more efficient.


I don't have an issue with "until proven otherwise" i have an issue with saying it's true. The phrase "true until prove otherwise" is ridicule in it's face, Null hypothesis don't work in this way.

Your examples are bad too, we don't need to prove the cat is alive because we already established with past evidence that the most logical case is the cat is alive, not because we just needed to assume it. In the case of a trial, a guy is assumed innocent until guilty because you have to establish evidence for the opposite ie he committed a crime.

Establishing innocence in the legal system as the default state isn't related to an Occam's razor case either, it has to do with the implications of being guilty vs being innocent: sending someone to jail. The bar needs to be high for taking the liberty of someone or using the state to punish him.

You're not using even the phrase itself to "prove" your claims about Embiid but the order of it. It's absurd

Return to Philadelphia 76ers