Sixers 2024-25 Season Thread Part 1

[WentzerWuver]

just trade or fire everyone is the only way Philly fans think teams get better lol.

the best teams in the league all have their cores together for long stretches and there were plenty of times in which there were calls to blow it up.

A large part of of our constant struggles is that we are always trying to mash 5 years of cohesion into 2 weeks because of the roster turnover. IMO half of the current struggles is just dudes not knowing each other that well.

But sure trade Biid, PG, and even Maxey for the small shot at a Biid, PG or even Maxey level talent anmd if that doesn't work ..trade those guys too.

Some of yall pocket watch too much and worry about some nebulous value being lost to time. Biid can't be traded this year. Couldn't be trade in the past due to his contract still being pretty big and probably won't be traded in the future for the same reasons. I get it...you hate him and think he sucks or whatever but I am telling you...to keep whining about it what we should have done or should do in regards to him is a hug waste of time. I suggest you stop watching or at least tell us you are because constantly going "we should have traded him 5 years ago" after every bad game is just silly at this point lol

Those best teams you’re referring to (probably the Celtics mostly) actually experienced real success and had half the drama this team has had with Embiid. And yet there was STILL calls to break them up. Don’t see any reason why Embiid should be immune from it. I wouldn’t have traded him this summer as I was all in on this big 3 thing, but if this season goes to chit it’s absolute malpractice to not kick the tires on it this offseason. That doesn’t make anyone a hater if you’re spending precious time and/or hard earned money and tired of it .

Not if it's due to injuries where the Big 3 has not played together once this season. They deserve time together regardless! And this whole chasing Flagg will never happen to ANY Big 3 teams, the commish will make sure of it as he will end up on a rebuilding team like the Nets who suffered so much from the KD/Kyrie drama.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Qu2q5eVDsJ4?si=gcPY_dAPwoVChmQO

https://youtu.be/C--FoGCSZZg?si=TMbM_wnWZkQixcqp

[Mik317]

just trade or fire everyone is the only way Philly fans think teams get better lol.

the best teams in the league all have their cores together for long stretches and there were plenty of times in which there were calls to blow it up.

A large part of of our constant struggles is that we are always trying to mash 5 years of cohesion into 2 weeks because of the roster turnover. IMO half of the current struggles is just dudes not knowing each other that well.

But sure trade Biid, PG, and even Maxey for the small shot at a Biid, PG or even Maxey level talent anmd if that doesn't work ..trade those guys too.

Some of yall pocket watch too much and worry about some nebulous value being lost to time. Biid can't be traded this year. Couldn't be trade in the past due to his contract still being pretty big and probably won't be traded in the future for the same reasons. I get it...you hate him and think he sucks or whatever but I am telling you...to keep whining about it what we should have done or should do in regards to him is a hug waste of time. I suggest you stop watching or at least tell us you are because constantly going "we should have traded him 5 years ago" after every bad game is just silly at this point lol

Those best teams you’re referring to (probably the Celtics mostly) actually experienced real success and had half the drama this team has had with Embiid. And yet there was STILL calls to break them up. Don’t see any reason why Embiid should be immune from it. I wouldn’t have traded him this summer as I was all in on this big 3 thing, but if this season goes to chit it’s absolute malpractice to not kick the tires on it this offseason. That doesn’t make anyone a hater if you’re spending precious time and/or hard earned money and tired of it .

IMO the ask of breaking up the Celtics was stupid and always would have been even if they never broke through. The hardest thing to get in this league is actual stars...flawed or not. Once you get some let alone two, you keep trying until you can't anymore (i.e they want out or are just washed). I am not worried about a time where Biid is bad and untradable like yall are...if we are at that point, then the team will probably be in the lottery anyway so who cares.

I was going to trade Biid for Scoot Henderson, so he's not immune to it from me either. Its just that realistically I don't expect it to happen without him asking out first so I don't think wasting time being mad about it not happening is worth it IMO. Especially this year when its not possible. And definitely whining about how we should have done it in the past lol...after every game lol.

[ankle420breaker]

Can't believe we didn't trade this guy coming off his MVP season.

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As much as I understand why, you're saying this, hindsight is 20/20. Has there ever been an MVP trade the year after they've won it?

Yeah, that just isn’t realistic. He should absolutely be shopped this summer should this season continue to go to crap.

I didn't think it was all that unrealistic, especially after another underwhelming postseason. Wasn’t too hard to see this coming.

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[Stanford]

You're going to look so foolish when he drops 70 on Wemby again.

[WentzerWuver]

just trade or fire everyone is the only way Philly fans think teams get better lol.

the best teams in the league all have their cores together for long stretches and there were plenty of times in which there were calls to blow it up.

A large part of of our constant struggles is that we are always trying to mash 5 years of cohesion into 2 weeks because of the roster turnover. IMO half of the current struggles is just dudes not knowing each other that well.

But sure trade Biid, PG, and even Maxey for the small shot at a Biid, PG or even Maxey level talent anmd if that doesn't work ..trade those guys too.

Some of yall pocket watch too much and worry about some nebulous value being lost to time. Biid can't be traded this year. Couldn't be trade in the past due to his contract still being pretty big and probably won't be traded in the future for the same reasons. I get it...you hate him and think he sucks or whatever but I am telling you...to keep whining about it what we should have done or should do in regards to him is a hug waste of time. I suggest you stop watching or at least tell us you are because constantly going "we should have traded him 5 years ago" after every bad game is just silly at this point lol

Those best teams you’re referring to (probably the Celtics mostly) actually experienced real success and had half the drama this team has had with Embiid. And yet there was STILL calls to break them up. Don’t see any reason why Embiid should be immune from it. I wouldn’t have traded him this summer as I was all in on this big 3 thing, but if this season goes to chit it’s absolute malpractice to not kick the tires on it this offseason. That doesn’t make anyone a hater if you’re spending precious time and/or hard earned money and tired of it .

IMO the ask of breaking up the Celtics was stupid and always would have been even if they never broke through. The hardest thing to get in this league is actual stars...flawed or not. Once you get some let alone two, you keep trying until you can't anymore (i.e they want out or are just washed). I am not worried about a time where Biid is bad and untradable like yall are...if we are at that point, then the team will probably be in the lottery anyway so who cares.

I was going to trade Biid for Scoot Henderson, so he's not immune to it from me either. Its just that realistically I don't expect it to happen without him asking out first so I don't think wasting time being mad about it not happening is worth it IMO. Especially this year when its not possible. And definitely whining about how we should have done it in the past lol...after every game lol.

Everyone knew Scoot was a diva when he dressed in glitter to pick up his cap at the draft and was disappointed he wasn't taken 1st overall.

[ankle420breaker]

You're going to look so foolish when he drops 70 on Wemby again.

Lol doubt he even dresses for that one.... but I hope you're right.

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[PhillyNj]

Honestly, at this point. If the Sixers don’t care enough to get their butt’s on the court. I think the fans should just stop watching them.

[Iverson Armband]

You're going to look so foolish when he drops 70 on Wemby again.

So we’re back to caring about the regular season?

[Iverson Armband]

just trade or fire everyone is the only way Philly fans think teams get better lol.

the best teams in the league all have their cores together for long stretches and there were plenty of times in which there were calls to blow it up.

A large part of of our constant struggles is that we are always trying to mash 5 years of cohesion into 2 weeks because of the roster turnover. IMO half of the current struggles is just dudes not knowing each other that well.

But sure trade Biid, PG, and even Maxey for the small shot at a Biid, PG or even Maxey level talent anmd if that doesn't work ..trade those guys too.

Some of yall pocket watch too much and worry about some nebulous value being lost to time. Biid can't be traded this year. Couldn't be trade in the past due to his contract still being pretty big and probably won't be traded in the future for the same reasons. I get it...you hate him and think he sucks or whatever but I am telling you...to keep whining about it what we should have done or should do in regards to him is a hug waste of time. I suggest you stop watching or at least tell us you are because constantly going "we should have traded him 5 years ago" after every bad game is just silly at this point lol

Those best teams you’re referring to (probably the Celtics mostly) actually experienced real success and had half the drama this team has had with Embiid. And yet there was STILL calls to break them up. Don’t see any reason why Embiid should be immune from it. I wouldn’t have traded him this summer as I was all in on this big 3 thing, but if this season goes to chit it’s absolute malpractice to not kick the tires on it this offseason. That doesn’t make anyone a hater if you’re spending precious time and/or hard earned money and tired of it .

IMO the ask of breaking up the Celtics was stupid and always would have been even if they never broke through. The hardest thing to get in this league is actual stars...flawed or not. Once you get some let alone two, you keep trying until you can't anymore (i.e they want out or are just washed). I am not worried about a time where Biid is bad and untradable like yall are...if we are at that point, then the team will probably be in the lottery anyway so who cares.

I was going to trade Biid for Scoot Henderson, so he's not immune to it from me either. Its just that realistically I don't expect it to happen without him asking out first so I don't think wasting time being mad about it not happening is worth it IMO. Especially this year when its not possible. And definitely whining about how we should have done it in the past lol...after every game lol.

I wouldn’t have broke up the Celtics either because they actually were having playoffs success. You could tell there was a real possibility they would break through eventually. Not the case here lol

[Stanford]

So we’re back to caring about the regular season?

Um, isn't that what everyone is upset about?

[WentzerWuver]

Honestly, at this point. If the Sixers don’t care enough to get their butt’s on the court. I think the fans should just stop watching them.

I'm a diehard and we watched them win or lose, even if we are the worst team in the league. Only fair weather fans would consider not watching them play no matter what.

[PhillyNj]

Honestly, at this point. If the Sixers don’t care enough to get their butt’s on the court. I think the fans should just stop watching them.

I'm a diehard and we watched them win or lose, even if we are the worst team in the league. Only fair weather fans would consider not watching them play no matter what.

You must not be from Philadelphia. The one thing Philly hates is “lack of effort”. And right now that’s all where getting. I’d much rather watch the Bret Brown teams than this team. That team (with little talent) played hard every night! The only player giving that kind of effort is McCain.

[Mik317]

lets be real this is a city of front running bandwagoners

they hide behind the "these guys don't care so **** em" stuff but I don't buy it. The Phillies were considered world beaters and many "fans" were talking all kinds of **** and the moment they lost it was "i knew this team of losers wouldn't win...not tough enough time to trade half the team". And then anyone who doesn't get on board their anger train is just coddling the team lol.

this is simply a roster full of new guys who don't fit as well as thought having to learn to mesh on the fly while main pieces are out due to injury or some nebulous plan. Thats it in a nutshell.

[strotorious]

Hot takes aside, there are some extreme directions this season could go, so here's some math for perspective.

Besides health, the key to a deep playoff run would be staying out of the play in tournament. On average it takes about 46 wins to get a top 6 seed. On the other extreme, the key to keeping the pick this year is a bottom 4 record. That would give the Sixers around 80% chance of staying in the protected top 6 range. That goes down around 18% with each spot in the standings. On average it takes around 24 wins to finish in the bottom 4.

Jan 15 is the key date to pick a lane. That's when all recent signings, notably KJ Martin, are eligible to be traded. There's 27 games between now and then. Going 17-10 is a .630 win percentage, a 52 win pace for a full season, which would get them close to .500 by Jan 15. Continuing that pace for the rest of the season would get them to 46 wins.

If they just break even during those 27 they'd be around 15-24 on Jan 15. At that point they'd need to play at a .721 rate, or 60 win pace, to get to 46 wins. But to stay at 24 wins of fewer they'd need finish 9-34, a .209 rate or 17 win pace.

Adjust your expectations accordingly.

[Ksny13]

You can’t beat Father Time. This team just isn’t good. That PG contract is going to age horribly.

[stormi]

You can’t beat Father Time. This team just isn’t good. That PG contract is going to age horribly.

Might need to pull a Presti and move off of Embiid before his value plummets or his knee says kaboom again.

The George trade to LA fell in his lap, but the initial domino post-KD was moving Westcrook to Houston off the back of winning ~50 games and losing again in the first round.

George probably doesn't have any value around the league anymore, he can stick around as a vet shooter for McCain and Maxey.

[WentzerWuver]

You can’t beat Father Time. This team just isn’t good. That PG contract is going to age horribly.

Might need to pull a Presti and move off of Embiid before his value plummets or his knee says kaboom again.

The George trade to LA fell in his lap, but the initial domino post-KD was moving Westcrook to Houston off the back of winning ~50 games and losing again in the first round.

George probably doesn't have any value around the league anymore, he can stick around as a vet shooter for McCain and Maxey.

Like it hasnt already?!? We won’t even get a 3rd of what OKC got for PG13 cause Kawhi would NOT signed with LAC but with LAL without him. We probably get closer to what Minny got for a healthy KAT which made them a worse team now.

Do we really want an expiring inefficient Randle and Donte for our former MVP?

We might be able to get Ingram in a sign and trade with the Pelicans to play alongside Zion at the 4. Or get overpaid MPJ to form a twin tower with the Joker. Either of those teams would include a 1st round pick our way, maybe 2 if we play our cards right.

https://youtu.be/L6n3xIWW-og?si=6ZcH-k14aNQDJI7Q

https://youtu.be/iX-qezQY8ew?si=29QDkQBFhTsa8-Ng

No rebuilding team will offer a boat load of future picks for someone who is on the downside of his past prime trajectory.

[stormi]

You can’t beat Father Time. This team just isn’t good. That PG contract is going to age horribly.

Might need to pull a Presti and move off of Embiid before his value plummets or his knee says kaboom again.

The George trade to LA fell in his lap, but the initial domino post-KD was moving Westcrook to Houston off the back of winning ~50 games and losing again in the first round.

George probably doesn't have any value around the league anymore, he can stick around as a vet shooter for McCain and Maxey.

We won’t even get a 1/3rd of what OKC got for PG13 cause Kawhi would NOT signed with LAC but with LAL without him. If probably get closer to what Minny got for a healthy KAT.

Do we really want an expiring inefficient Randle and Donte for our former MVP?

We might be able to get Ingram in a sign and trade with the Pelicans to play alongside Zion at the 4. Maybe get MPJ to form a twin tower with the Joker. Either of those teams would give a 1st round pick as incentive if we play our cards right.

Obviously, the George trade was a once in a lifetime anomaly, I referenced the Russ trade as an analogy of the passing of the torch of the franchise. Presti realized he couldn't win with a braindead harlem globetrotter like Russ as the face of the OKC Thunder.

A growing majority of our fanbase has started to feel like that about Joel Embiid whether that be due to injury risk, unavailability or on-the-court & off-the-court immaturity.

Trash fodder like Mikal Bridges just went for how many firsts?

Joel Embiid was quite literally the MVP of the league two seasons ago and the MVP front-runner before he got injured last season, he led the postseason in BPM etc.

He would get a warchest-offer from a team like GSW/OKC/NOP/HOU (it only takes one) and it'd help us transition into the next phase of the organization.

[WentzerWuver]

Might need to pull a Presti and move off of Embiid before his value plummets or his knee says kaboom again.

The George trade to LA fell in his lap, but the initial domino post-KD was moving Westcrook to Houston off the back of winning ~50 games and losing again in the first round.

George probably doesn't have any value around the league anymore, he can stick around as a vet shooter for McCain and Maxey.

We won’t even get a 1/3rd of what OKC got for PG13 cause Kawhi would NOT signed with LAC but with LAL without him. If probably get closer to what Minny got for a healthy KAT.

Do we really want an expiring inefficient Randle and Donte for our former MVP?

We might be able to get Ingram in a sign and trade with the Pelicans to play alongside Zion at the 4. Maybe get MPJ to form a twin tower with the Joker. Either of those teams would give a 1st round pick as incentive if we play our cards right.

Obviously, the George trade was a once in a lifetime anomaly, I referenced the Russ trade as an analogy of the passing of the torch of the franchise. Presti realized he couldn't win with a braindead harlem globetrotter like Russ as the face of the OKC Thunder.

A growing majority of our fanbase has started to feel like that about Joel Embiid whether that be due to injury risk, unavailability or on-the-court & off-the-court immaturity.

Trash fodder like Mikal Bridges just went for how many firsts?

Joel Embiid was quite literally the MVP of the league two seasons ago and the MVP front-runner before he got injured last season, he led the postseason in BPM etc.

He would get a warchest-offer from a team like GSW/OKC/NOP/HOU (it only takes one) and it'd help us transition into the next phase of the organization.

Mikal is NO Trash fodder and I would trade Jo for one of the best 2 way wing player in the league plus filler. Philly fans here has cheered his game for the longest time but maybe I am a bit bias towards Philly guys. Besides, he is on a bargain contract for 2 more years along with some agreement to continue that like Brunson has to stay under the 2nd apron and the guy never gets hurt unlike you know who.

https://youtu.be/diF-jVJ_Bvs?si=C5fQS1futTHXiRu3

I think you are in that fantasy dream trade mode that would most likely NEVER happen again with the 2nd apron in affect along with how he has played so far unless he can improve his play back to his MVP self this season but can he or is this the beginning of his vast downfall like Ingram where no one wants him due to his maga sized contract plus extension?

No way we can get Collins and Sexton for him straight up cause the Fleeced King is smart. He would also want us to toss in both the OKC and LAC picks for that horrible extension we gave someone who is a shell of himself now. Ainge fleeced the Hawks a prime Collins for a bag of cheetos just cause he had one semi down season and the 2nd apron didn't even exist yet Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/UysbZ5sZoGA?si=pLzL1Dlbl5FxTKwD

[76ciology]

The time to trade Embiid is when you feel like not wanting to trade him.