76ers @ Magic 11/15/2024 It's Getting Late Early

[76ciology]

I wonder if the team’s poor performance stems from low morale after witnessing how poorly Jojo performs in practice.

[ProcessDoctor]

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I love Joel and everything he's done for this city and franchise, but it's time

Spoiler:

Rockets Receive:
Joel Embiid
Andre Drummond

Bucks Receive:
Fred van Fleets’s 42m expiring
Jabari Smith
Sengun
2026 OKC 1st
2028 Clips First
2029 Clips Swap
2030 Sixers first

Spoiler:

Sixers Trades:
Joel Embiid

Sixers Receives:
Fred Van Fleet’s 42M expiring
Sengun
Jabari Smith Jr.
2026 Sixers 1st
2027 PHX 1st

For his sake, I wish there was an easy way to send him to Golden State but the finances are tough. Houston has the best potential package for sure. I would even accept just Sengun + Jabari + FVV without any picks attached.

[Iverson Armband]

I love Joel and everything he's done for this city and franchise, but it's time

Spoiler:

Rockets Receive:
Joel Embiid
Andre Drummond

Bucks Receive:
Fred van Fleets’s 42m expiring
Jabari Smith
Sengun
2026 OKC 1st
2028 Clips First
2029 Clips Swap
2030 Sixers first

Spoiler:

Sixers Trades:
Joel Embiid

Sixers Receives:
Fred Van Fleet’s 42M expiring
Sengun
Jabari Smith Jr.
2026 Sixers 1st
2027 PHX 1st

For his sake, I wish there was an easy way to send him to Golden State but the finances are tough. Houston has the best potential package for sure. I would even accept just Sengun + Jabari + FVV without any picks attached.

FVV is absolutely useless here. Replace him with Eason and that’s a deal.

[youngcrev]

I still feel optimistic. McCain is awesome. Embiid was brutal in that 2nd half, but looked like he was moving better than the last game. I didn't come away with "oh no, what if he's cooked?" after this one, but rather think it's mostly a conditioning thing.

Maybe it's just that I haven't bothered to watch most of this season so I'm not as beat down by the losses.

The fit of some of the support guys worries me a bit, but that can be addressed. The olds look old. Drummond might end up being salary matching fodder.

I usually agree with your feedback, but saw this one differently with regards to Embiid. Wagner/Isaac were killing him while 2nd tier guards were attacking him (successfully) and his readiness/willingness to challenge just wasn't there. His conditioning is not acceptable.... he's a max contract veteran professional who just sat out the other night.... I'm done with the 'he's still working himself back in shape' argument. We were buried in the standings coming into this contest and it's a tournament game. He's our franchise player and his lack of competitive nature should disturb everyone.



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I don't think they give a **** about the midseason tournament. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd prefer to be knocked out of it early to avoid the additional taxing on their players.

As for Embiid, meh. I get it. I'll give you some minor push back on the conditioning stuff, since to me I think him being out of shape comes back to the injury as opposed to being lazy or something (he actually seems like he's taking his health more seriously than whenever has)... But yeah, I understand, it gets old, and really has been old for a while now.

[stormi]

I love Joel and everything he's done for this city and franchise, but it's time

Spoiler:

Rockets Receive:
Joel Embiid
Andre Drummond

Bucks Receive:
Fred van Fleets’s 42m expiring
Jabari Smith
Sengun
2026 OKC 1st
2028 Clips First
2029 Clips Swap
2030 Sixers first

Spoiler:

Sixers Trades:
Joel Embiid

Sixers Receives:
Fred Van Fleet’s 42M expiring
Sengun
Jabari Smith Jr.
2026 Sixers 1st
2027 PHX 1st

For his sake, I wish there was an easy way to send him to Golden State but the finances are tough. Houston has the best potential package for sure. I would even accept just Sengun + Jabari + FVV without any picks attached.

I just tried it in the trade machine, Wiggins + Payton/Looney/Kuminga (all expiring) are essentially identical funds.

[ProcessDoctor]

Spoiler:

Rockets Receive:
Joel Embiid
Andre Drummond

Bucks Receive:
Fred van Fleets’s 42m expiring
Jabari Smith
Sengun
2026 OKC 1st
2028 Clips First
2029 Clips Swap
2030 Sixers first

Spoiler:

Sixers Trades:
Joel Embiid

Sixers Receives:
Fred Van Fleet’s 42M expiring
Sengun
Jabari Smith Jr.
2026 Sixers 1st
2027 PHX 1st

For his sake, I wish there was an easy way to send him to Golden State but the finances are tough. Houston has the best potential package for sure. I would even accept just Sengun + Jabari + FVV without any picks attached.

FVV is absolutely useless here. Replace him with Eason and that’s a deal.

FVV for the finances, obviously Eason would be a better piece. I don't think there's any way we could get all three of their bigs in an Embiid deal though. We'll have to wait until next summer anyways.

[TYO23]

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I love Joel and everything he's done for this city and franchise, but it's time

The extension made no sense…and looks to be a bad move currently

[76ciology]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more 3pt offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

How can you generate more 3PTr than the other team when Jojo’s mid range takes up a huge % of your shot diet?

[youngcrev]

I was gonna say something else, but I'm just gonna choose to write off some of these Embiid takes as disposable fodder after a loss.

[M2J]

Why didn't Reggie Jackson play? That all PG lineup in the first half killed me. No more Dowtin. 2nd half it was Jared and George with Yabu 5 and Gordon messed them up. With the 5 also stretching that should be Martin or at least Lowry playing. Can't have that many defensive liabilities with Yabu at 5.... In this case Jared should've been your worst defender.

Nurse is playing 2K out here. The Cavs game.... Clear losses play around with the lineups. They needed this win and the end of the 3rd lineups were killers

[Iverson Armband]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more perimeter-oriented offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

It would actually be fine if Embiid adapted his game. He still feels like he has something to prove and wants to be center Kobe for whatever reason, even though he’s clearly out of shape and has likely lost a step at this point in his career.

[Eyeamok]

Maybe Tobias Harris was the gule holding the 76ers together all this time.

[ankle420breaker]

So, I was going to just have some fun while watching the collapse portion of the game. Everyone can forget about trading Joel. Under the CBA Joel cannot be traded this year because he signed his extension.

So Joel is here for the full year, you'll just have to accept him being here.

This will go down as a pivotal miss while we decline into no man's land for the next 5-7 years. Should have traded Embiid last summer.

Disappointed in Daryl.... really relied on him to know better.

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[youngcrev]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more 3pt offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

How can you generate more 3PTr than the other team when Jojo’s mid range takes up a huge % of your offense?

Alright, I can't help myself with this one... Haven't you been ridiculously pushing the notion that Embiid should play PF next to another true center for the last like 2 years while completely neglecting this?

Embiid is a hyper efficient scorer when healthy that has a ton of gravity. His game is, and always has been, synergistic with high volume 3 point shooters due to the looks he creates for them.

[Negrodamus]

Maybe Tobias Harris was the gule holding the 76ers together all this time.

Seeing the Pistons won tonight, I was just about to post this lol.

[ankle420breaker]

Agree with Bill Simmons take. Embiid looks like Phoenix Shaq and every sixer fan has reason to be concerned.

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[JojoSlimbiid]

Please dump point George. Its terrible.

[Embiid P]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but I really hope that when Maxey comes back that he, PG, McCain and others take the lion's share of the shots to prevent Embiid from taking too many which would force Embiid to focus instead on defense and rebounding.

[ankle420breaker]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but I really hope that when Maxey comes back that he, PG, McCain and others take the lion's share of the shots to prevent Embiid from taking too many which would force Embiid to focus instead on defense and rebounding.

Embiid will never focus on rebounding.

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[76ciology]

Jacking up deep threes, taking 3s over a big in drop coverage, or shooting over smaller defenders from beyond the arc is often a more efficient strategy than passing the ball around for an entry pass—where the risk of a turnover is high—only to have Jojo jab step, cross over, and settle for a contested mid range two, that is if he doesnt turn the ball over before the shot attempt.

This is similar to what the Blazers realized when they moved on from LaMarcus Aldridge, embracing a more 3pt offense.

It feels like the league has taken another leap forward in embracing 3pt heavy offenses, creating a noticeable gap between today’s high volume 3pt strategies and the turnover prone, contested shot approach centered around Joel Embiid.

How can you generate more 3PTr than the other team when Jojo’s mid range takes up a huge % of your offense?

Alright, I can't help myself with this one... Haven't you been ridiculously pushing the notion that Embiid should play PF next to another true center for the last like 2 years while completely neglecting this?

Embiid is a hyper efficient scorer when healthy that has a ton of gravity. His game is, and always has been, synergistic with high volume 3 point shooters due to the looks he creates for them.

Yeah, but what works before may not work now and what works now may not work before. And I just don’t see it working with how many 3pt shots are being taken and made this season.

For example, last year, only one team averaged 40 3pt attempts per game. This year, there are six. That same team, which used to take 40 3s, is now taking 50 per game.

If I were facing the Sixers, I’d gladly have my team take 40–50 3s early or mid shot clock (they generate open looks quicker) rather than running the ball through an obstacle course to get it to Embiid, where he’s forced to take a high volume of contested mid range shots with limited time left.

Sure, some nights Embiid will shoot lights out, but on most nights, a 3pt heavy approach or a 2-3 man game run by a wing or a guard, especially with Embiid and Drummond playing drop coverage or shooting over smaller defenders like Maxey or McCain,will come out on top.

And if Embiid is shouldering that much of the offensive load, it’s inevitable that he’ll be exhausted, whether it’s on defense, late in the game, or deeper into a playoff series.

Maybe there’s a solution to this (I think it will involve as Embiid as a screener/threat than a shot taker; less ISO ball), and things could change once Embiid and Maxey are fully healthy or if we face Cody Zeller. But for now, this is exactly what I’m seeing.