Maxey Challenged Embiid in Team Meeting

[M2J]

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[Ferry Avenue]

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I missed these instances. Just awful by Joel. If his teammates quit on him I wouldn't blame them at this point.

And some people thought it was crazy that I'd trade him for Devin Booker straight up. I'd still do that right now and consider it a steal in fact.

[Mik317]

they called you crazy because Devin Booker isn't on the market.

thats like going "man people sure are stupid, I would have traded Biid for SGA easily".

[Stanford]

they called you crazy because Devin Booker isn't on the market.

Not me. Booker has never been a top 10 player in his career and never will be.

[the_process]

they called you crazy because Devin Booker isn't on the market.

thats like going "man people sure are stupid, I would have traded Biid for SGA easily".

I feel like PHX might still do Booker for
Embiid.

However, making the money work on that is near impossible with the new CBA.

[Stanford]

I don't think anyone would take Embiid at this point

[Black Mage]

I don't think anyone would take Embiid at this point

No one taking Embiid after the "left knee swelling" report.

PG might be able to fetch something IF they give his knee enough time to heal.

[Ferry Avenue]

they called you crazy because Devin Booker isn't on the market.

No that wasn't the reason given.

[Mik317]

I don't think anyone would take Embiid at this point

the moment you put Biid on the market everyone is going to wonder if his knee is even more **** lol.

That was the case two years ago, thats the case now, and it will be the case going forward. That is the nature of having a guy with an injury history

Not to mention not every team needs a center. The new CBA also makes matching salaries weird. And a lot of teams either have used their picks up or are waiting on Giannis and maybe even Luka to request out.

All of the above is why like it or not...we are still in "well maybe THIS time will be different" mode until further notice lol. he doesn't get traded unless he asks out (which would be stupid as **** PR wise but he doesn't seem to have a PR guy lol).

[ProcessDoctor]

1. Sit Embiid for season
2. Have George miss a ton of games
3. Use top-5 pick on someone worth a damn
4. Trade Embiid as a sunken asset to somewhere like Houston or Golden State

[MikRay]

There has to be a way to get rid of the overgrown child in Joel? I know we would get pennies on the dollar by who cares.

[ProcessDoctor]

If you get 1-2 good young players and 1-2 good FRPs you just take it and move on. 2 of each is a homerun.

[Foshan]

1. Sit Embiid for season
2. Have George miss a ton of games
3. Use top-5 pick on someone worth a damn
4. Trade Embiid as a sunken asset to somewhere like Houston or Golden State

If we were to do step 1-3, i don't know that we 'need' to do step 4. We should have enough fire power between M&M, a fully rested PG (to be played delicately during the season) and a similar embiid, plus a top 5 pick to make some noise. Or yeah, look to move him for less and kick the can another year or two down the road looking to move PG too. But i really think we are in the idea spot to pull a San Antonio.

I'd sell high on Drummond, Obure (maybe Jackson) at the deadline, and let Yabuselle/Bona (and maybe find a young guy not getting minutes somewhere or a gleague guy) carry those minutes. (in line with steps 1-3). 1 year tank, and then back at it with our own pick and some minor assets going into next year.

[ProcessDoctor]

1. Sit Embiid for season
2. Have George miss a ton of games
3. Use top-5 pick on someone worth a damn
4. Trade Embiid as a sunken asset to somewhere like Houston or Golden State

If we were to do step 1-3, i don't know that we 'need' to do step 4. We should have enough fire power between M&M, a fully rested PG (to be played delicately during the season) and a similar embiid, plus a top 5 pick to make some noise. Or yeah, look to move him for less and kick the can another year or two down the road looking to move PG too. But i really think we are in the idea spot to pull a San Antonio.

I'd sell high on Drummond, Obure (maybe Jackson) at the deadline, and let Yabuselle/Bona (and maybe find a young guy not getting minutes somewhere or a gleague guy) carry those minutes. (in line with steps 1-3). 1 year tank, and then back at it with our own pick and some minor assets going into next year.

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Embiid, but I feel like much of the old/injured/slow vibes can be traced back to him (along with all the over-the-hill vets we sign annually). And I feel like as long as he's here, he will feel like he's our best player, and his antics will continue to set the tone for this team (good or bad). Think of all the moping and **** body language he has yet to grow out of. I'd rather just start fresh because of that stuff. It's one thing if he's won here, but he hasn't.

[Ferry Avenue]

1. Sit Embiid for season
2. Have George miss a ton of games
3. Use top-5 pick on someone worth a damn
4. Trade Embiid as a sunken asset to somewhere like Houston or Golden State

If we were to do step 1-3, i don't know that we 'need' to do step 4. We should have enough fire power between M&M, a fully rested PG (to be played delicately during the season) and a similar embiid, plus a top 5 pick to make some noise. Or yeah, look to move him for less and kick the can another year or two down the road looking to move PG too. But i really think we are in the idea spot to pull a San Antonio.

I'd sell high on Drummond, Obure (maybe Jackson) at the deadline, and let Yabuselle/Bona (and maybe find a young guy not getting minutes somewhere or a gleague guy) carry those minutes. (in line with steps 1-3). 1 year tank, and then back at it with our own pick and some minor assets going into next year.

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Embiid, but I feel like much of the old/injured/slow vibes can be traced back to him (along with all the over-the-hill vets we sign annually). And I feel like as long as he's here, he will feel like he's our best player, and his antics will continue to set the tone for this team (good or bad). Think of all the moping and **** body language he has yet to grow out of. I'd rather just start fresh because of that stuff. It's one thing if he's won here, but he hasn't.

I’ve only been saying exactly that for several years now….

[76ciology]

1. Sit Embiid for season
2. Have George miss a ton of games
3. Use top-5 pick on someone worth a damn
4. Trade Embiid as a sunken asset to somewhere like Houston or Golden State

If we were to do step 1-3, i don't know that we 'need' to do step 4. We should have enough fire power between M&M, a fully rested PG (to be played delicately during the season) and a similar embiid, plus a top 5 pick to make some noise. Or yeah, look to move him for less and kick the can another year or two down the road looking to move PG too. But i really think we are in the idea spot to pull a San Antonio.

I'd sell high on Drummond, Obure (maybe Jackson) at the deadline, and let Yabuselle/Bona (and maybe find a young guy not getting minutes somewhere or a gleague guy) carry those minutes. (in line with steps 1-3). 1 year tank, and then back at it with our own pick and some minor assets going into next year.

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Embiid, but I feel like much of the old/injured/slow vibes can be traced back to him (along with all the over-the-hill vets we sign annually). And I feel like as long as he's here, he will feel like he's our best player, and his antics will continue to set the tone for this team (good or bad). Think of all the moping and **** body language he has yet to grow out of. I'd rather just start fresh because of that stuff. It's one thing if he's won here, but he hasn't.

That’s why having an alpha on the team is crucial. Jimmy and James were the closest we’ve had—George isn’t and Maxey could be that but not right now.

But can we wait for Maxey to take that step? Maybe Embiid’s knee would already be grinding bone on bone when that happens.

It feels like Embiid has a “little brother” personality, and you see it when he’s around players like James or Jimmy. He thrives when there’s a stronger, more assertive personality to take charge.

An alpha changes everything. Without Embiid, the alpha can lead the team and maximize the depth we have. With Embiid, the alpha can lead the team, utilizing both Embiid’s talent and the team’s depth to win. It provides a structure that works with or without him on the floor.

[Ferry Avenue]

That’s why having an alpha on the team is crucial. Jimmy and James were the closest we’ve had—George isn’t and Maxey could be that but not right now.

But can we wait for Maxey to take that step? Maybe Embiid’s knee would already be grinding bone on bone when that happens.

It feels like Embiid has a “little brother” personality, and you see it when he’s around players like James or Jimmy. He thrives when there’s a stronger, more assertive personality to take charge.

An alpha changes everything. Without Embiid, the alpha can lead the team and maximize the depth we have. With Embiid, the alpha can lead the team, utilizing both Embiid’s talent and the team’s depth to win. It provides a structure that works with or without him on the floor.

Again, been saying all that for years, and no, Harden isn't one either. He gives the illusion of it because he plays point guard and runs the show on the court, but nobody who crumbles in the face of adversity in high stakes games as often as he does is an alpha. And I said that here just as soon as he was acquired. He wasn't the solution for the "Embiid problem" noted above, and Paul George isn't either.

When you get to the level of the second round of the playoffs and beyond, this stuff becomes far less about "adding pieces that fit [physically speaking] around Embiid" (Harden, George) and far more about team leadership and the kinds of emotional dynamics noted above. That's what distinguishes teams at that level of play, because all of them at that point have the "necessary pieces that fit." The physical talent across teams at that level is relatively equal, and the ones with the best team dynamics of the kind noted above win.

And this is of course why the Sixers can never get past that point in the playoffs -- they have the necessary physical talent to compete at that level, but not the necessary leadership and emotional dynamics to win at that level. They simply get beaten by teams with better player leadership every year. The closest they came to overcoming that during the Embiid era was when they actually DID have the leadership -- the Jimmy Butler year. That's no coincidence.

[Ferry Avenue]

Nets fan but watch plenty of Sixers games

Like many of you, I don’t understand why your management hasn’t prioritised some length and rebounding ability (preferably with the ability to make the odd outside shot)

You guys have needed a stretch big for years to take some of the physical pressure off Joel

You mean Al Horford?

Again, this isn't a "physical puzzle piece" issue.

[LeonJordanJr24]

What has jimmy won???

[Ferry Avenue]

What has jimmy won???

Once again, the concept of "necessary but not sufficient."

If something is necessary but not sufficient for an event to happen, it won't happen without it. But that doesn't mean that with it the event is guaranteed to happen.

An analogy: at this point in the NFL for example it's pretty safe to say you need one of the best QBs in the league to win a Super Bowl, but there are roughly a handful of QBs of that caliber every year who don't win it. One of the best QBs in the league is necessary but not sufficient for winning the Super Bowl. Without one of the best QBs in the league you're very unlikely to win the Super Bowl, but having one in itself isn't sufficient for winning the Super Bowl.

Until the Sixers get the necessary player leadership they're not winning an NBA title, or even getting past the second round of the playoffs for that matter. But having the necessary player leadership doesn't guarantee them a title in itself -- it's not sufficient for it.

Until the Sixers have all the necessary conditions for an NBA title you might as well focus exclusively on those, because without them they aren't winning one.