G15: Sixers v Nets 11/22 7:00pm ET

[76ciology]

any nice takeaways aside from Mccain being the truth? Did Maxey and Jared play well off of each other?

Yes because Maxey is back to normal tonight. Having two combo guards who can shoot and score on 3 level is lethal on a dribble drive system

[Stanford]

At this stage i wouldn’t mind Hartenstein and Jalen Williams.

lol keep dreaming

[youngcrev]

At this stage i wouldn’t mind Hartenstein and Jalen Williams.

Maxey
McCain
Jalen Williams
Paul George
Isaiah Hartenstein

No way OKC trade for Jo at this stage. We're not getting **** for him.

Maybe Franz Wagner and Bitadze then

Either Embiid gets right, and you don't trade him (unless he demands out). Or he doesn't, and he's probably a negative value deal.

I think people need to accept that we're handcuffed to Embiid for better or worse after that extension. Doesn't mean we should be pissed at/frustrated with him. But trading him probably just isn't in the cards.

[ProcessDoctor]

If we're truly "stuck" with Embiid then we need to sit him for the season. Our best chances to win with him are behind us and it's time to focus on finding/developing our next star(s).

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah I would just sit Embiid for a while for both morale & on court play. His inability to move (or lack of desire to) puts a lot of stress on our other defenders to scramble on shooters AND he’s not cleaning up the boards on the back end.

Id rather see us play with good pace and energy even if we have no rim protection without him.

[mjkvol]

What a completely f***ked up situation that only the Sixers could have created. We hit on another mid-1st pick and have what appears to be an electric backcourt for the short and long term, but made the idiotic max signing of George, which is not second guessing as I was adamantly against it the entire time for this very reason.

But to follow that up by extending a player who the organization had to know was not 100% healthy - after allowing him to play in the Olympics right after surgery! So now, about, what ... $90 million? ... in salary is annually tied up to a '3rd star' who appears to have hit the wall (big shock at age 34) and a superstar who might never be completely healthy. And both are known for their post season failures.

And on top of that, why not throw in some locker room turmoil to add a little spice to the situation? If you made a movie about this organization beginning with The Process, anyone who didn't live through it here wouldn't believe that it wasn't a fictional story.

But yet here we are, in a clusterf***k that there is no exit from other than to try to give away two 'stars' we would have to pay to part ways with after the season, if it could even be done at this point.

[mjkvol]

Yeah I would just sit Embiid for a while for both morale & on court play. His inability to move (or lack of desire to) puts a lot of stress on our other defenders to scramble on shooters AND he’s not cleaning up the boards on the back end.

Id rather see us play with good pace and energy even if we have no rim protection without him.

The team that we saw last night isn't beating many good teams, but would be a blast to watch and would compete like hell. This group without Embiid and George on the roster would be like a fun up and coming team that was a couple of pieces away from really starting to compete. Sadly, those pieces are going to be hard to come by.

[Negrodamus]

I don’t think Embiid is washed, so no reason to trade him unless you’re afraid of injuries (which is valid obviously). I’m still letting the Paul George situation play out as he came into the season injured and then just injured the same leg. If he’s healthy, I imagine he can still hit shots and play defense. He just needs to scale back his expectations of creating offense if we’re to be successful. I think we’re gonna go on a streak here, I just hope it’s like 9 games instead of 3.

[Murray_17]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

[FlyingArrow]

Everyone ages, but you can never predict how quick the dropoff is. Injuries can either permanently or temporarily affect a player. Our future hinges on Embiid and PG, and nobody really knows how it will go.

Maybe neither one is ever right again from their injuries, and maybe they've both hit the age-wall. In that case, welcome to Process 2.0.

Maybe after a month, they're both back to 100%. Maybe PG, when really healthy, is an all-star again. He was unlikely to ever be all-NBA again at his age anyway, but he could still be a fringe all-star level player for a couple more years. Maybe Embiid, when really healthy, is still a top-5 NBA player. In that case, we have to hope to recover from this mess just to make the playoffs so we can actually contend for a title.

Reality is probably somewhere in between.

[sixers4real]

Read on Twitter

Tell em Tyrese! BTW this was jackass Pompey...

I love Tyrese.
(I’m starting to hate Joel)

[stormi]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

[Iscull]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

I think Martin is fine in the lineup, so long as he's surrounded by Maxey/McCain/PG/Yabu/Embiid.

When we're able to trade K Mart's contract, I think we'll move Oubre and Gordon as well. That's around $22MM in salary, which gives us a good amount of flexibility and options. We NEED a younger wing/guard who can stretch the floor and provide spacing.

I think we also need another PF who can potentially play small ball 5 like Yabu.

[FireMorey]

If McCain played for the Lakers, the national media would be leading off every talk show with a circle jerk about how he's the most amazing rookie ever.

[Stanford]

If McCain played for the Lakers, the national media would be leading off every talk show with a circle jerk about how he's the most amazing rookie ever.

To be fair, if Austin Reaves called out LeBron in a players-only meeting after a loss that put them 2-12, no one would be talking about Jared McCain on that team.

[Iscull]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

I agree w/ your take on Martin. He brings a different skill set than everyone else, which will only fit better as we get healthier. That said, he should be the "worst" shooter on the floor at all times. He cannot play with Oubre and/or Drummond.

At the trade deadline, Morey should be looking to move Oubre, K-Mart, and Gordon. If we can get a better 3 point shooting wing and guard, we'll be a much different team.

I'm also holding out hope the syngergy improves as they guys get used to playing togther.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Morey should make a play for Larry Nance Jr as our midseason move. He can play PF next to Embiid, play center in his absence, and provides a lot of what this team needs (rebounding, rim protection, and spacing at the 5).

I’m still hopeful that George will be a solid signing given his defensive versatility & shooting. We need to assume he has no more on-ball juice tho, which is easier to swallow now that we know McCain is legit.

[stormi]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

I agree w/ your take on Martin. He brings a different skill set than everyone else, which will only fit better as we get healthier. That said, he should be the "worst" shooter on the floor at all times. He cannot play with Oubre and/or Drummond.

At the trade deadline, Morey should be looking to move Oubre, K-Mart, and Gordon. If we can get a better 3 point shooting wing and guard, we'll be a much different team.

I'm also holding out hope the syngergy improves as they guys get used to playing togther.

Yea a lot of championship teams have glue guys like Martin that bring a little bit of everything. Can handle the ball, can pass, can defend and you take the hot shooting / scoring nights when you get them.

Bruce Brown notably on the Denver Nuggets filled that role to a T. Helped of course being surrounded by a big stretch 5 in Jokic + shooters everywhere in KCP/Murray/MPJ.

I still like the theoretical fit of Maxey or McCain along with Martin, PG, Embiid and a better fitting cog instead of Oubre.

You can then play around with Maxey + McCain lineups.

[76ciology]

The problem is the roster construction was made around the idea of a wing that can shoot at every moment (assuming we move Oubre at some point) to max spacing for embiid (And Maxey/PG by extension).

But now the only optimal lineup we have MUST include Maxey and Jared together or one of them with PG. Unless that happens we don't have enough shooting to score consistently.

If you have only Maxey or McCain there, our bad spacing caps them and our offense has so little movement that no one else can score.

Unless one of Martin and/or Gordon remembers how to shoot this is not gonna get fixed.

Caleb just has too much intrinsic value as a dribble penetrator to keep him off the court even with his subpar spacing.

Maxey is really only looking to get his and we're still figuring out the extent of what McCain can do on the ball. The fact that Caleb constantly keeps his dribble alive, gets deep into the paint and can collapse defenses to find kick-outs make him valuable in a way that nobody else on this roster is. I'm fairly certain we're doing pretty well league wide in terms of generating open/wide-open looks we're just doing a bad job cashing out on them.

Oubre is very upgradeable, PG and Maxey have not shot the ball well early this season and guys like Gordon at this stage and Dowtin should not be seeing the court for any serious team.

I agree on most of what you said, specially regarding Caleb Martin.

I think Gordon is definitely playable. It’s just tough for him to find his rhythm given our team’s chemistry and his sporadic playing time. His on/off NetRtg is one of the highest on the team, which shows he has a positive impact on our spacing and gravity. Plus, he’s solid on defense.

Drummond, on the other hand, is offensively as bad as Ben Simmons, in my opinion. It feels like we’re playing 4v5 when he’s on the court, especially if we have 1-2 poor shooters alongside him. On top of that, there’s still some confusion among the guys, with players struggling to adjust to each other and Nick Nurse’s system.

[youngcrev]

I wish PG had more point forward in him. I think we could use a distributor guy to run some sets and let Maxey/McCain just be aggressive. A healthy Lonzo Ball feels like the perfect type to put with them. Don't need any more huge injury question marks though.