Joel Embiid - The Prophecy is Realized

[BigSleep333]

Not this take. Jimmy Butler was never re-signing with the 76ers. He wanted to go to Miami all along and Minnesota refused to deal with Miami so he had to go through Philly to get to where he wanted.

And are people seriously suggesting that they should have sacked Brett Brown after getting to the Eastern Conference Semis and not running it back again? and dumping a 23 year old Ben Simmons for a 30 year old Jimmy Butler?

jimmy said something "happened". all the lil signs point to BB's style of offense and the idea of ben simmons as the primary ballhandler. who gives a **** about the coach really. the NBA is a players league. how many of us fans are in love with our current offense? 1%? 2%? almost everybody sees we suck on offense, despite all the talent we have. jimmy was right...

nobody said "dump" ben. hes a great talent, but he just doesnt fit. we always can get a good package for him that helps us more. and its not just about the "30y old grandpa jimmy". the consequences of this decision were the AWFUL contract of tobias and the AWFUL signing of a real grandpa horford. i dont know how anybody dont regret jimmy is gone.

I regret more that JJ Redick has gone than Jimmy. Shortish memories but Jimmy coasted through most of the regular season and looked very passive almost refusing to shoot at times as some sort of statement.

Yeah you could maybe blame that on Brett because Jimmy wanted to be the primary ball handler like he is in Miami.. but then Ben was the point guard so what did he expect coming in? It showed to me Jimmy like Joel sulked when he didn't get things his way. I actually give props to Brett for giving Jimmy the ball in that Toronto series and making him the point guard... yet Brett seems to get no credit for that at all.

I also had concerns with Butlers history of injuries to go all in and dump someone like Simmons. Nobody could possibly have seen him having the season he has had in Miami... given what he was like for most of his time in Philly and in Minnesota.

another bad domino effect i forgot to mention.

and nobody could have seen that jimmy butler is a good basketball player? whut? he played sideshow cause of the "system" and ben. everybody whos watching basketball regularly knew what jimmy could do.

[Mik317]

Letting Jimmy go was fine. Dude needs to be the man. Wasn't going to happen here.

however not replacing that element AND letting JJ go..AND your big addition being a guy who plays the same position as your best guy was not fine. Ben not shooting and becoming even more of a paint presence is also not fine. Last year's team was flawed but we did not fix any of those flaws and made many of them worse.

Joel has to grow up and be better. But man after an offseason like that I imagine its rather difficult to not be a bit peeved. Joel is immature and emotional...and as such you gotta take that into account with the moves you make. The FO did not have him in mind with any of the moves made. Thats not how it works in the NBA and its a great way to push your stars out the door. But again maybe thats the idea. Trading Joel before this stunt was a no go. They would be shanked in the streets. NOW? they have an out. Joel was never this braintrust's guy it seems

[the_process]

Letting Jimmy go was fine. Dude needs to be the man. Wasn't going to happen here.

however not replacing that element AND letting JJ go..AND your big addition being a guy who plays the same position as your best guy was not fine. Ben not shooting and becoming even more of a paint presence is also not fine. Last year's team was flawed but we did not fix any of those flaws and made many of them worse.

Joel has to grow up and be better. But man after an offseason like that I imagine its rather difficult to not be a bit peeved. Joel is immature and emotional...and as such you gotta take that into account with the moves you make. The FO did not have him in mind with any of the moves made. Thats not how it works in the NBA and its a great way to push your stars out the door. But again maybe thats the idea. Trading Joel before this stunt was a no go. They would be shanked in the streets. NOW? they have an out. Joel was never this braintrust's guy it seems

We can all agree that no matter what happens with Joel, this "brain trust" needs to go.

[phifans]

Letting Jimmy go was fine. Dude needs to be the man. Wasn't going to happen here.

however not replacing that element AND letting JJ go..AND your big addition being a guy who plays the same position as your best guy was not fine. Ben not shooting and becoming even more of a paint presence is also not fine. Last year's team was flawed but we did not fix any of those flaws and made many of them worse.

Joel has to grow up and be better. But man after an offseason like that I imagine its rather difficult to not be a bit peeved. Joel is immature and emotional...and as such you gotta take that into account with the moves you make. The FO did not have him in mind with any of the moves made. Thats not how it works in the NBA and its a great way to push your stars out the door. But again maybe thats the idea. Trading Joel before this stunt was a no go. They would be shanked in the streets. NOW? they have an out. Joel was never this braintrust's guy it seems

LoL Joel is a basketball player who got paid to get his own job done. The incompetence of front office is not the excuses for his underperformance. Maybe Joel think he should have rights to decide who he could play with or express his unhappiness if his wish can not be meet. But seems like it won't happen in Philly

[Simmons25]

jimmy said something "happened". all the lil signs point to BB's style of offense and the idea of ben simmons as the primary ballhandler. who gives a **** about the coach really. the NBA is a players league. how many of us fans are in love with our current offense? 1%? 2%? almost everybody sees we suck on offense, despite all the talent we have. jimmy was right...

nobody said "dump" ben. hes a great talent, but he just doesnt fit. we always can get a good package for him that helps us more. and its not just about the "30y old grandpa jimmy". the consequences of this decision were the AWFUL contract of tobias and the AWFUL signing of a real grandpa horford. i dont know how anybody dont regret jimmy is gone.

I regret more that JJ Redick has gone than Jimmy. Shortish memories but Jimmy coasted through most of the regular season and looked very passive almost refusing to shoot at times as some sort of statement.

Yeah you could maybe blame that on Brett because Jimmy wanted to be the primary ball handler like he is in Miami.. but then Ben was the point guard so what did he expect coming in? It showed to me Jimmy like Joel sulked when he didn't get things his way. I actually give props to Brett for giving Jimmy the ball in that Toronto series and making him the point guard... yet Brett seems to get no credit for that at all.

I also had concerns with Butlers history of injuries to go all in and dump someone like Simmons. Nobody could possibly have seen him having the season he has had in Miami... given what he was like for most of his time in Philly and in Minnesota.

another bad domino effect i forgot to mention.

and nobody could have seen that jimmy butler is a good basketball player? whut? he played sideshow cause of the "system" and ben. everybody whos watching basketball regularly knew what jimmy could do.

Yeah he played sideshow like he did at Minnesota as well with Kat and Wiggins.

Like it or not the dude wants to be "The Man" and that wasn't going to happen at Philly. He used Philly as a way to get out of Minnesota to get to Miami. It is as simple as that. Thinking he ever wanted to stay here in Philly is just delusional and goes against everything he said prior to joining Philly when he clearly stated to the Wolves that he wanted to be traded to Miami where he new he would be the Alpha.

[Mik317]

idk building a team around your best player strengths and weaknesses seems to be something most FOs at least attempt to do. You don't see the Bucks surround Giannis with a bunch of non shooters.

Again Joel has to be better. Much better. Being fat and out of shape with a finger injury is not a good look at all. I am not absolving him of his role in this teams issues at all. But this grade school idea of he's the best player therefore he has to just carry us through everything no matter how bad of a job our FO does has historically proven to be false. LeBron is one of the best basketball players to ever live...and yet because Dan Gilbert ran a clown show (also being in cleveland lol) he had to leave to win. Embiid as great as he can be still...is not LeBron James. Basketball is a team sport. Having a great player is nice but when you surround him w/ pieces that don't help him, you start to alienate them. And going, oh well he should be good enough to do it no matter what is exactly why most players don't stay on their initial teams. Call it soft. Call it not like day in mah day. Call it whatever...but thats the reality.

Now again this does not mean just bend over and let Embiid do as he pleases (that damn sure does not seem to work either) but the fact is that this FO seems to have not even asked Embiid for his input this offseason and now has the shocked Pikachu face when an immature guy starts to act immaturely.

They had their shot at making this work this offseason and **** blew it. I'm not sure if #RunItBack was feasible or the right choice...but it was damn sure better than this ****. If Ben truly would get in a tissy about Jimmy enough to turn down his extention then that might have been for the best anyway...I doubt he'd turn down that much money. But regardless, it seems as if we are on a crash course for breaking up the two anyway...except now you are stuck with worse corpses than Jimmy's bitch ass.

so good jab.

[phifans]

Yeah he played sideshow like he did at Minnesota as well with Kat and Wiggins.

Like it or not the dude wants to be "The Man" and that wasn't going to happen at Philly. He used Philly as a way to get out of Minnesota to get to Miami. It is as simple as that. Thinking he ever wanted to stay here in Philly is just delusional and goes against everything he said prior to joining Philly when he clearly stated to the Wolves that he wanted to be traded to Miami where he new he would be the Alpha.

Oh that's so bad because it seems Joel do believe Jimmy would stay with him for a long time that's why he's so pissed off right now and decide not to give 100% effort to show his anger to front office ?

[76ciology]

We were stucked from not being a contender by the lack of improvement in Ben’s game.

Building around Jojo means trading Ben, which may or may not mean a contender.

Building a contender means either trading Ben or putting Ben in a position to be better.

This version of Ben and the Embiid we love would have made us contenders.

[76ciology]

JJ and Butler aren’t the reason for Biid’s decline.

His defense and conditioning have been in a decline since his rookie year. The numbers will speak for itself.

JJ and Jimmy don’t have any positive impact on Embiid’s conditioning and defense.

This problem of Embiid is inside him.

[brannigan73]

Letting Jimmy go was fine. Dude needs to be the man. Wasn't going to happen here.

however not replacing that element AND letting JJ go..AND your big addition being a guy who plays the same position as your best guy was not fine. Ben not shooting and becoming even more of a paint presence is also not fine. Last year's team was flawed but we did not fix any of those flaws and made many of them worse.

Joel has to grow up and be better. But man after an offseason like that I imagine its rather difficult to not be a bit peeved. Joel is immature and emotional...and as such you gotta take that into account with the moves you make. The FO did not have him in mind with any of the moves made. Thats not how it works in the NBA and its a great way to push your stars out the door. But again maybe thats the idea. Trading Joel before this stunt was a no go. They would be shanked in the streets. NOW? they have an out. Joel was never this braintrust's guy it seems

LoL Joel is a basketball player who got paid to get his own job done. The incompetence of front office is not the excuses for his underperformance. Maybe Joel think he should have rights to decide who he could play with or express his unhappiness if his wish can not be meet. But seems like it won't happen in Philly

Its not an excuse to not play hard but plenty of super stars have a say in there teams construction. Nothing strange about that idea at all especially in the NBA where a top 10 players effect is outsized and players have a lot of clout/power. If they end up trading Embiid they will never win that deal and probably wont come close to breaking even on a pure talent in talent out basis. And if they decide to put him on the market it best not be that idiot Brand behind the wheel. I would like to see them get rid of Brown, Brand, Harris, and Horford and give Simmons and Embiid one more shot with a roster that makes some sense. Because once he is gone he is gone.

[phifans]

idk building a team around your best player strengths and weaknesses seems to be something most FOs at least attempt to do. You don't see the Bucks surround Giannis with a bunch of non shooters.

Again Joel has to be better. Much better. Being fat and out of shape with a finger injury is not a good look at all. I am not absolving him of his role in this teams issues at all. But this grade school idea of he's the best player therefore he has to just carry us through everything no matter how bad of a job our FO does has historically proven to be false. LeBron is one of the best basketball players to ever live...and yet because Dan Gilbert ran a clown show (also being in cleveland lol) he had to leave to win. Embiid as great as he can be still...is not LeBron James. Basketball is a team sport. Having a great player is nice but when you surround him w/ pieces that don't help him, you start to alienate them. And going, oh well he should be good enough to do it no matter what is exactly why most players don't stay on their initial teams. Call it soft. Call it not like day in mah day. Call it whatever...but thats the reality.

Now again this does not mean just bend over and let Embiid do as he pleases (that damn sure does not seem to work either) but the fact is that this FO seems to have not even asked Embiid for his input this offseason and now has the shocked Pikachu face when an immature guy starts to act immaturely.

They had their shot at making this work this offseason and **** blew it. I'm not sure if #RunItBack was feasible or the right choice...but it was damn sure better than this ****. If Ben truly would get in a tissy about Jimmy enough to turn down his extention then that might have been for the best anyway...I doubt he'd turn down that much money. But regardless, it seems as if we are on a crash course for breaking up the two anyway...except now you are stuck with worse corpses than Jimmy's bitch ass.

so good jab.

You are trying to mislead this whole situation here.

You could express you disappointment and sadness to the poor decision by FO.

You could even demand a trade required if you think you can't win with the incompetent FO.

Just don't make it to be your excuses for your own performance. Never do that.

[Mik317]

eh Embiid is a guy who feeds off his emotions it seems

being a sad boy on offense makes him a sad boy on defense at times. The stupid drop coverage doesn't help either (it also hurts Horford too).

again yeah he's out of shape too but he wasn't the peak of humanity last year either. That JJ DHO play was very easy and didn't take much effort. Jimmy was capable of carrying the load down the stretch as well...which allowed Embiid to focus on defense. Now even during the Ben fun times experience, Embiid has to space the floor and it again ties into Sad Boy Hours...as he obviously not a fan (this is where he loses me..dude just stand there).

so yeah him being a sad doughboy (my glass house is full of holes lol) is a big part of his defensive regression, I still think the loss of his two release valves plays a role too.

[76ciology]

The key is to manage Jojo.

1.)Limit his minutes until he gets into a certain standard in shape, like how we did it before.

2.) Change his game that he can focus more on improving his defense.

3.) And just have a good back-up for him so the team won’t suffer if he is not on the court.

We have done 2&3. We have to do 1.)

[76ciology]

eh Embiid is a guy who feeds off his emotions it seems

being a sad boy on offense makes him a sad boy on defense at times. The stupid drop coverage doesn't help either (it also hurts Horford too).

again yeah he's out of shape too but he wasn't the peak of humanity last year either. That JJ DHO play was very easy and didn't take much effort. Jimmy was capable of carrying the load down the stretch as well...which allowed Embiid to focus on defense. Now even during the Ben fun times experience, Embiid has to space the floor and it again ties into Sad Boy Hours...as he obviously not a fan (this is where he loses me..dude just stand there).

so yeah him being a sad doughboy (my glass house is full of holes lol) is a big part of his defensive regression, I still think the loss of his two release valves plays a role too.

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That is his -dfg% at the rim.

His defense was on a decline with or without Jj or Butler.

Even Kobble has noticed that his defense has been dropping off until the recent steep decline.

The reason for the decline is conditioning. And conditioning can be managed by limiting his load by his style of play or physical load.

[Mik317]

idk building a team around your best player strengths and weaknesses seems to be something most FOs at least attempt to do. You don't see the Bucks surround Giannis with a bunch of non shooters.

Again Joel has to be better. Much better. Being fat and out of shape with a finger injury is not a good look at all. I am not absolving him of his role in this teams issues at all. But this grade school idea of he's the best player therefore he has to just carry us through everything no matter how bad of a job our FO does has historically proven to be false. LeBron is one of the best basketball players to ever live...and yet because Dan Gilbert ran a clown show (also being in cleveland lol) he had to leave to win. Embiid as great as he can be still...is not LeBron James. Basketball is a team sport. Having a great player is nice but when you surround him w/ pieces that don't help him, you start to alienate them. And going, oh well he should be good enough to do it no matter what is exactly why most players don't stay on their initial teams. Call it soft. Call it not like day in mah day. Call it whatever...but thats the reality.

Now again this does not mean just bend over and let Embiid do as he pleases (that damn sure does not seem to work either) but the fact is that this FO seems to have not even asked Embiid for his input this offseason and now has the shocked Pikachu face when an immature guy starts to act immaturely.

They had their shot at making this work this offseason and **** blew it. I'm not sure if #RunItBack was feasible or the right choice...but it was damn sure better than this ****. If Ben truly would get in a tissy about Jimmy enough to turn down his extention then that might have been for the best anyway...I doubt he'd turn down that much money. But regardless, it seems as if we are on a crash course for breaking up the two anyway...except now you are stuck with worse corpses than Jimmy's bitch ass.

so good jab.

You are trying to mislead this whole situation here.

You could express you disappointment and sadness to the poor decision by FO.

You could even demand a trade required if you think you can't win with the incompetent FO.

Just don't make it to be your excuses for your own performance. Never do that.

I don;t think he is using this as an excuses for his poor play. He might allude to it but after most **** performances he always says HE has to do better. Watch the tape. And his new favorite figure it out.

this myth that Embiid uses things as a exscuse is false. Dude doesn't even use his **** up hand as a reason for his dropping FT%...when it obviously is.

This whole shush gate is just a bratty troll...being a bratty troll being egged on by another bratty troll lol.. Again as stated I am sure most players get a bit peeved with their FO and often will be petty about it but its not over yet. The FO, Embiid, and fans can salvage this situation and turn it around. People change how they feel everyday b

[Mik317]

I swear you ignore like half of people's posts just so you can return to whatever tangent you are currently on about.

[phifans]

idk building a team around your best player strengths and weaknesses seems to be something most FOs at least attempt to do. You don't see the Bucks surround Giannis with a bunch of non shooters.

Again Joel has to be better. Much better. Being fat and out of shape with a finger injury is not a good look at all. I am not absolving him of his role in this teams issues at all. But this grade school idea of he's the best player therefore he has to just carry us through everything no matter how bad of a job our FO does has historically proven to be false. LeBron is one of the best basketball players to ever live...and yet because Dan Gilbert ran a clown show (also being in cleveland lol) he had to leave to win. Embiid as great as he can be still...is not LeBron James. Basketball is a team sport. Having a great player is nice but when you surround him w/ pieces that don't help him, you start to alienate them. And going, oh well he should be good enough to do it no matter what is exactly why most players don't stay on their initial teams. Call it soft. Call it not like day in mah day. Call it whatever...but thats the reality.

Now again this does not mean just bend over and let Embiid do as he pleases (that damn sure does not seem to work either) but the fact is that this FO seems to have not even asked Embiid for his input this offseason and now has the shocked Pikachu face when an immature guy starts to act immaturely.

They had their shot at making this work this offseason and **** blew it. I'm not sure if #RunItBack was feasible or the right choice...but it was damn sure better than this ****. If Ben truly would get in a tissy about Jimmy enough to turn down his extention then that might have been for the best anyway...I doubt he'd turn down that much money. But regardless, it seems as if we are on a crash course for breaking up the two anyway...except now you are stuck with worse corpses than Jimmy's bitch ass.

so good jab.

You are trying to mislead this whole situation here.

You could express you disappointment and sadness to the poor decision by FO.

You could even demand a trade required if you think you can't win with the incompetent FO.

Just don't make it to be your excuses for your own performance. Never do that.

I don;t think he is using this as an excuses for his poor play. He might allude to it but after most **** performances he always says HE has to do better. Watch the tape. And his new favorite figure it out.

this myth that Embiid uses things as a exscuse is false. Dude doesn't even use his **** up hand as a reason for his dropping FT%...when it obviously is.

This whole shush gate is just a bratty troll...being a bratty troll being egged on by another bratty troll lol.. Again as stated I am sure most players get a bit peeved with their FO and often will be petty about it but its not over yet. The FO, Embiid, and fans can salvage this situation and turn it around. People change how they feel everyday b

Why do you focus on what he said instead of what he's been done on the court to figure out what's going on ? U think he would say after game : Yeah I play like a crap and didn't give an effort because our front office are trash and they don't respect me and let my best friend go ?

So yes he's not making excuses for his poor play only fans would do that just like you mentioned above. So yeah our FO is trash and made some horrible decisions and it's understandable Joel got pissed off about it but always you got your own job done before blame everything on others.

[76ciology]

Right now we just have to manage his load. If he can’t play his 100% then he has to sit it out. A lot of things can be solved with time and rest.

This slump is just making it worse for him and the team.

[Arsenal]

I’m firing and trading EVERYONE before Joel Embiid.

[downtownpie]

embiid and horford should never be on the floor together.

Split minutes and 90% of the issues will disappear.