Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[the_process]

I’d bet on us trading for George Hill at this point. Great undervalued player. Great fit. Thunder are going to be fiending for another pick. I believe we were also already rumored to be part of that initial Steven Adams trade and you’ve got to think this is how.

Could be the 2nd 5 team trade in NBA history.

I'm just assuming Billy King was involved in the other one.

Miami Got: Antoine Walker from Boston; Jason Williams, James Posey and Andre Emmett from Memphis; the draft rights to Robert Duenas from New Orleans.
Boston Got: Qyntel Woods, the draft rights to Albert Miralles and two second draft picks from Miami; Curtis Borchardt from Utah.
Memphis Got: Eddie Jones from Miami; Raul Lopez from Utah.
Utah Got: Greg Ostertag from Memphis.
New Orleans Got: Rasual Butler from Miami; Kirk Snyder from Utah.

[stormi]

The Clippers still don't have a playmaker or a center that wouldn't get exploited by Paul Reed

#Kawhi2021 looking so powerful atm

[Arsenal]

The Clippers still don't have a playmaker or a center that wouldn't get exploited by Paul Reed

#Kawhi2021 looking so powerful atm

What is going on in LAC? Looks like a total disaster so far. All the PG's they needed are gone. They lost Harrell and Green too.

Really would be hilarious if Kawhi and/or PG bails on them next summer for failing to build a contender.

[eyeatoma]

The Clippers still don't have a playmaker or a center that wouldn't get exploited by Paul Reed

#Kawhi2021 looking so powerful atm

What is going on in LAC? Looks like a total disaster so far. All the PG's they needed are gone. They lost Harrell and Green too.

Really would be hilarious if Kawhi and/or PG bails on them next summer for failing to build a contender.

At this point it looks like that's exactly what's going to happen.

[the_process]

I’d bet on us trading for George Hill at this point. Great undervalued player. Great fit. Thunder are going to be fiending for another pick. I believe we were also already rumored to be part of that initial Steven Adams trade and you’ve got to think this is how.

Could be the 2nd 5 team trade in NBA history.

Is this even feasible? When you have a 5 team trade every team has to "touch" the 4 other teams in the trade - which makes trades involving that many teams basically impossible, and why you don't even want to get involved in multi-team trades this large, every team doesn't have 3 extra throw-ins to include in trades.

They amended that to have to touch two other teams, at least in a 4 way deal. I don't know if it goes to 3 other teams in a 5 way, not a very common occurrence

I think it's possible here because OKC is trying to hoard picks, tank, and yet stay over the cap.

[ckchen]

Would you guys be disappointed if they don't use the MLE?

No I expect it. Their payroll is way out of control and using the MLE just makes it even worse. This is the price they have to pay for the previous several years of abject stupidity.

I would be disappointed since it not only would help the team on the floor, in the financial long run if used properly it gains you another asset that might be used later to make a larger trade (either by trading that player or someone else being made expendable). Taxed teams have limited opportunities to add assets, so unless we lose the MLE by somehow getting to the point, a complicated thing itself, where we can do a S&T, We should use it, but not in an overpay.

The problem with this thinking is that it relies on the person you're signing with the MLE to have/retain trade value. It was only slightly over a year ago that we were perfectly fine with signing Mike Scott to an MLE deal to retain him and now everyone on the board wants to drop him like hot garbage and use picks to dump him on some other team. There is a fine line between having a "tradeable" MLE signing and salary cap/roster dead weight.

[Wilfried]

The Clippers still don't have a playmaker or a center that wouldn't get exploited by Paul Reed

#Kawhi2021 looking so powerful atm

What is going on in LAC? Looks like a total disaster so far. All the PG's they needed are gone. They lost Harrell and Green too.

Really would be hilarious if Kawhi and/or PG bails on them next summer for failing to build a contender.

And in that case, can we get Kawhi?

[XDevilBoiX]

The Clippers still don't have a playmaker or a center that wouldn't get exploited by Paul Reed

#Kawhi2021 looking so powerful atm

What is going on in LAC? Looks like a total disaster so far. All the PG's they needed are gone. They lost Harrell and Green too.

Really would be hilarious if Kawhi and/or PG bails on them next summer for failing to build a contender.

And in that case, can we get Kawhi?

We still don’t have a chance, he’ll demand to get traded to the other LA team

[Skates]

No I expect it. Their payroll is way out of control and using the MLE just makes it even worse. This is the price they have to pay for the previous several years of abject stupidity.

I would be disappointed since it not only would help the team on the floor, in the financial long run if used properly it gains you another asset that might be used later to make a larger trade (either by trading that player or someone else being made expendable). Taxed teams have limited opportunities to add assets, so unless we lose the MLE by somehow getting to the point, a complicated thing itself, where we can do a S&T, We should use it, but not in an overpay.

The problem with this thinking is that it relies on the person you're signing with the MLE to have/retain trade value. It was only slightly over a year ago that we were perfectly fine with signing Mike Scott to an MLE deal to retain him and now everyone on the board wants to drop him like hot garbage and use picks to dump him on some other team. There is a fine line between having a "tradeable" MLE signing and salary cap/roster dead weight.

The Scott signing was at best mixed reviews here and the same folks are not making those decisions this year? Should they use the MLE to overpay someone just to use it? No.

Should they avoid using the MLE or part of it on someone worth it just to save money? No, if used right it is a salable asset. Not just used, used correctly and at a proper price.

[skulky]

George Hill is exactly the guy we need. Hope we can get in on the deal and get him.

It would be ideal to make it part of the horford deal even if it costs an extra second or something vs making a separate deal and sending zhaire, Scott, and a second. Then we can keep that package for an in season trade.

They are changing the trade to accomodate the Thunder - if we absorb a larger contract like Hill instead of Ferguson, that shouldn't cost us any more since it's being done for their benefit.

People have to stop putting out these ridiculous "Zhaire, Scott, Ferguson, + a 2nd" for ___ trade ideas out there. It's just pure homerism to think that anyone would want that collection of players for something as minimal as a 2nd round pick. If you think they have values as players, then there's no reason to trade them. If you consider them to be a salary dump garbage, it will take more than 2nd to unload them.

Thats not a homer take. George hill will be 35 by the time the playoffs come around, hasn’t been a starter in years and is still owed over 10 million the following season. He’s a solid backup 15-20 minute per game vet at this point. Okc/New Orleans or wherever he’s headed currently do not need or want that extra salary. And no contender is giving up a first for an 8th man. An expiring and a reclamation project and a second round pick or 2 is more than fair value. It would save the other team 12ish million get a nice second and take a swing with a former lottery pick with not much value.

[still in payne]

Millsap staying with Denver. Another fail for the Celtics.

[youngcrev]

No I expect it. Their payroll is way out of control and using the MLE just makes it even worse. This is the price they have to pay for the previous several years of abject stupidity.

I would be disappointed since it not only would help the team on the floor, in the financial long run if used properly it gains you another asset that might be used later to make a larger trade (either by trading that player or someone else being made expendable). Taxed teams have limited opportunities to add assets, so unless we lose the MLE by somehow getting to the point, a complicated thing itself, where we can do a S&T, We should use it, but not in an overpay.

The problem with this thinking is that it relies on the person you're signing with the MLE to have/retain trade value. It was only slightly over a year ago that we were perfectly fine with signing Mike Scott to an MLE deal to retain him and now everyone on the board wants to drop him like hot garbage and use picks to dump him on some other team. There is a fine line between having a "tradeable" MLE signing and salary cap/roster dead weight.

Which is kind of where I'm at with it. Not a lot of guys out there actually worth paying more than the minimum at this stage (that would take the tax payer MLE that is). I'm sure we'd just sell ourselves on "we're saving it for a buy out guys."

[kriss73]

Well...I'm still waiting for "Doc's recruiting power" . Free Agency it's almost over

[ckchen]

Thats not a homer take. George hill will be 35 by the time the playoffs come around, hasn’t been a starter in years and is still owed over 10 million the following season. He’s a solid backup 15-20 minute per game vet at this point. Okc/New Orleans or wherever he’s headed currently do not need or want that extra salary. And no contender is giving up a first for an 8th man. An expiring and a reclamation project and a second round pick or 2 is more than fair value. It would save the other team 12ish million get a nice second and take a swing with a former lottery pick with not much value.

What I mean is that it's a homer take to think that people want to take our multi-player "garbage" off our hands to our benefit, so people keep offering up platitudes like "We can always trade zhaire+scott+ferguson+2nd round pick" for this 10M salary or that 11M salary or later in the year we can package these guys for X player or Y player, as if the rest of league is just hanging around waiting to make things easier for the Sixers for the price of a 2nd rounder.

[Sportfan73]

What I mean is that it's a homer take to think that people want to take our multi-player "garbage" off our hands to our benefit, so people keep offering up platitudes like "We can always trade zhaire+scott+ferguson+2nd round pick" for this 10M salary or that 11M salary or later in the year we can package these guys for X player or Y player, as if the rest of league is just hanging around waiting to make things easier for the Sixers for the price of a 2nd rounder.

Think you might want to take a second look around at the decision making of some of these teams before you rule that kind of thing out. And some of the deals that have already happened

[ankle420breaker]

It'd be amazing of we somehow miracle'd a deal with Bogdan.

Wouldn't surprise me if we package Scott/Smith with our TPE and try to work something out with New Orleans who need to clear some salary.

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[ckchen]

What I mean is that it's a homer take to think that people want to take our multi-player "garbage" off our hands to our benefit, so people keep offering up platitudes like "We can always trade zhaire+scott+ferguson+2nd round pick" for this 10M salary or that 11M salary or later in the year we can package these guys for X player or Y player, as if the rest of league is just hanging around waiting to make things easier for the Sixers for the price of a 2nd rounder.

Think you might want to take a second look around at the decision making of some of these teams before you rule that kind of thing out. And some of the deals that have already happened

The majority of those deals happen during the draft because a team is trying to make a trade because they either want to draft a specific player or drop back. Right now, post-draft, that 2nd round pick has not too much immediate value to anyone outside of Presti.

[ckchen]

It'd be amazing of we somehow miracle'd a deal with Bogdan.

Wouldn't surprise me if we package Scott/Smith with our TPE and try to work something out with New Orleans who need to clear some salary.

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I thought the whole point of a trade exception is that you can't combine it with anything. The $8M or so trade exception we'll get from the Horford deal can only be used to absorb an $8M salary (or multiple salaries that total $8M).

[Kobblehead]

I'd hope that we don't fall in the Bogdan Bogdanovic trap.

The man is a neutral defender, at best, and a neutral creater, at best. No reason to zig with the entire league head first into the overrated shooting trend.

Playoff basketball is about defending your position and scoring off the dribble. Bogdan isn't a difference-maker in either of these two areas.

[Arsenal]

1) You can't combine trade exceptions with anything

2) We CAN'T do a sign and trade because our team salary is way too high. All this talk about Bogdan is totally useless. We can't get him even if we wanted him.