2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Jojothewhale]

I’m willing to listen to other factors for Ace, but it’s got to be more than a high school writer saying he shot 90% from the line on an undetermined sample size. There’s nothing here that points to traditional star equity.

[76ciology]

I’m willing to listen to other factors for Ace, but it’s got to be more than a high school writer saying he shot 90% from the line on an undetermined sample size. There’s nothing here that points to traditional star equity.

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[Negrodamus]

I might have gotten Kasparas pilled recently. He’s the only PG with SG size in this top ten. We desperately need a PG with some excellent traits. Trade back and draft him.

[Jojothewhale]

I’m willing to listen to other factors for Ace, but it’s got to be more than a high school writer saying he shot 90% from the line on an undetermined sample size. There’s nothing here that points to traditional star equity.

Please delete. We can’t let the Bucks know this

I’ll take my chances on the team employing Doc Rivers to get the process wrong.

[76ciology]

I’m willing to listen to other factors for Ace, but it’s got to be more than a high school writer saying he shot 90% from the line on an undetermined sample size. There’s nothing here that points to traditional star equity.

Please delete. We can’t let the Bucks know this

I’ll take my chances on the team employing Doc Rivers to get the process wrong.

Doc Rivers will turn Ace Bailey to Paul Pierce 2.0 with defense possibly as good as KG

[MVP1992]

I always give grace if you’re a barely missing that mark. Ace (.243 FTr) ain’t even close. He’s allergic to contact and getting to the line. The outlier guys aren’t the ones we should be betting on. Even someone like Haliburton had magnificent defensive traits, reshooting percentages across the court, passing. I’m racking my brain at what Ace does at an elite level other than tough shot making (with bad percentages). His NBA career with be what either analytic heads point to or eye test heads point to for years.

Bailey seems to go to the fade away shot, going away from the basket off one foot a lot.

Watched him and Harper having a training session with Giannis.

Also watched some in game clips of Bailey and it's a habit he has when defended in the midrange, to avoid contact or being blocked.

Even Giannis was frustrated repeatedly trying to get him to plant two feet and rise up into the shot. Kept explaining he'd have better balance off two feet instead of falling away shooting on or off one foot. Harper seemed to take note and just do as Giannis was asking.

Not sure if there's an issue with Bailey being coached, or the habit is just so ingrained it'll take repetition to break it.

Just an observation.

[M2J]

Barnes: .379 FTr drafted year
Wiggins: .538 FTr
Ingram: .351 FTr
MPJ: .300 FTr (but played like 3 games)


Almost any star is going to have above average .300 FTr

I’m not saying he’s a surefire star, but that he’s probably going to be a safer pick than is perceived.

FWIW, Jalen Brunson barely surpassed that .300 threshold and is now a FT merchant. I’m not ready to define exactly what caliber player Ace is yet.

I always give grace if you’re a barely missing that mark. Ace (.243 FTr) ain’t even close. He’s allergic to contact and getting to the line. The outlier guys aren’t the ones we should be betting on. Even someone like Haliburton had magnificent defensive traits, reshooting percentages across the court, passing. I’m racking my brain at what Ace does at an elite level other than tough shot making (with bad percentages). His NBA career with be what either analytic heads point to or eye test heads point to for years.

Finished at 44% contested catch and shoot 3s. That was on 66 shots 40.7% off of screens 3pt% 27 shots But, I find him to be a pretty impressive as an off ball movement threat... Meaning he should be able to contribute anywhere including a loaded offensive team like Philly.

Especially can contribute anywhere as a 6'9 guard or forward with defensive potential like ..."Opposing scorers shot 30.8% (!) on jump shots + 40.9% at the rim when guarded by Bailey." in addition to averaging a block and a steal per game

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[Lou_23]

Maluach hands are terrible.

[76ciology]

Maluach hands are terrible.

75% FT% in NCAA

70-80% finisher at the rim

Best lob finisher in NCAA history

35% 3pt% before duke

90% FT% confirmed by HS coach; tapes and record lost during the war in Sudan

[Lou_23]

Nah, watch him play. His hands are terrible. Numbers dont tell you the context.

He can be productive in college basketball, he wont be in the NBA with his bad hands. Not to be a 3 pick.

As I always said in this forum with college guys, time will tell.

[Negrodamus]

I’m not saying he’s a surefire star, but that he’s probably going to be a safer pick than is perceived.

FWIW, Jalen Brunson barely surpassed that .300 threshold and is now a FT merchant. I’m not ready to define exactly what caliber player Ace is yet.

I always give grace if you’re a barely missing that mark. Ace (.243 FTr) ain’t even close. He’s allergic to contact and getting to the line. The outlier guys aren’t the ones we should be betting on. Even someone like Haliburton had magnificent defensive traits, reshooting percentages across the court, passing. I’m racking my brain at what Ace does at an elite level other than tough shot making (with bad percentages). His NBA career with be what either analytic heads point to or eye test heads point to for years.

Finished at 44% contested catch and shoot 3s. That was on 66 shots 40.7% off of screens 3pt% 27 shots But, I find him to be a pretty impressive as an off ball movement threat... Meaning he should be able to contribute anywhere including a loaded offensive team like Philly.

Especially can contribute anywhere as a 6'9 guard or forward with defensive potential like ..."Opposing scorers shot 30.8% (!) on jump shots + 40.9% at the rim when guarded by Bailey." in addition to averaging a block and a steal per game

Yea, I don’t know, what you’re describing sounds like a role player. That’s fine and most of these top picks become role players anyway, but I always aspire for a superstar with a top 5 pick and he just doesn’t have those traits other than taking superstar sanctioned shots. If he’s taking those type of shots without providing any pressure on the rim or distribution, I feel like we’re going to tire of him pretty quickly. If he buys into a 3&D role (which would be against how he’s played his entire career), then we I guess got a nice role player.

[M2J]

I always give grace if you’re a barely missing that mark. Ace (.243 FTr) ain’t even close. He’s allergic to contact and getting to the line. The outlier guys aren’t the ones we should be betting on. Even someone like Haliburton had magnificent defensive traits, reshooting percentages across the court, passing. I’m racking my brain at what Ace does at an elite level other than tough shot making (with bad percentages). His NBA career with be what either analytic heads point to or eye test heads point to for years.

Finished at 44% contested catch and shoot 3s. That was on 66 shots 40.7% off of screens 3pt% 27 shots But, I find him to be a pretty impressive as an off ball movement threat... Meaning he should be able to contribute anywhere including a loaded offensive team like Philly.

Especially can contribute anywhere as a 6'9 guard or forward with defensive potential like ..."Opposing scorers shot 30.8% (!) on jump shots + 40.9% at the rim when guarded by Bailey." in addition to averaging a block and a steal per game

Yea, I don’t know, what you’re describing sounds like a role player. That’s fine and most of these top picks become role players anyway, but I always aspire for a superstar with a top 5 pick and he just doesn’t have those traits other than taking superstar sanctioned shots. If he’s taking those type of shots without providing any pressure on the rim or distribution, I feel like we’re going to tire of him pretty quickly. If he buys into a 3&D role (which would be against how he’s played his entire career), then we I guess got a nice role player.

His game translates well to be the offensive hub in Nurse's DHO system. For the bench this year,I would say with talent on this roster and the fact that they need experienced defense starting. As a DHO hub he can give it up easily, choose to take a jumper, and he was about 46% from mid range area... Pretty good actually... I think better than George this year. Or take a 1 dribble drive to the paint for the finish

[Kolkmania]

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-nba-mock-draft-rumors-tre-johnson-stats-highlights-interview-player-comparison-rutgers-ahmed-jama/

Tre is just Buddy Hield. We have to be real about him.

Entire query of drafted FRPs since '08 with Tre's lack of passing (<20% assist), lack of offensive rebounding (<=2%), STL (<=2%), DPBM (<=1):

- Nik Stauskas
- Cam Thomas
- John Jenkins
- Jerome Robinson
- Jett Howard
- Kira Lewis
- Malachi Flynn
- Tre Mann

Loser archetype.

Isn't Tre's DBPM 1.2 and does he therefore fall outside your very specific set of filters?

I don't think that his defensive and rebounding flaws are something to neglect. However, it must also be noted that he's not *just* as a shooter. He shot extremely high percentages on high difficulty shots and a a massive volume for a team with no help. Paired with plenty of playmaking flashes, while playing in a strong conference as a 6'6'' 18 year old kid with a 6'10 wingspan.
If we turn the question around and focus on the things that he can do, I think the list of players that meet the above threshold is also really, really slim?

I do think that the Nik Stauskas comparison is a really interesting one. Both 6'6'' wings with versatile shooting skills and playmaking chops. I think that Tre is a little bit more dynamic in his shooting, both in his shot profile but also the ease of making (long) shots off screens. Ultimately Stauskas' shooting never translated to the NBA which nullified his potential.

Tre needs to get stronger to hold his own as a SG/SF in the league, but he just turned 19. I don't think that is a long shot. The lateral quickness and inability to get around screens is my biggest concern. I am a bit worried about his quick twitch ability, but a big factor is also his horrendous technique/footwork. That could be improved with training of course.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

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I’ll take my chances on the team employing Doc Rivers to get the process wrong.

Doc Rivers will turn Ace Bailey to Paul Pierce 2.0 with defense possibly as good as KG

Dude take a break from Ace Bailey. We get it. You hate him with an unbridled passion. There's no reason to beat this into the ground over and over. We've got the memo at this point. You've filled pages upon pages on pure Ace Bailey hate. My God! You're a great poster, but you're blatantly trying to create some sort of division here. Puh-lease man! Do not bring that **** in here. We don't need another Jahlil Okafor/Evan Turner type of war where people are dishing out insults over a difference of opinion. God help this forum if we do draft Bailey. It'll be all out war on here the minute he isn't Michael Jordan.

[Jojothewhale]

Oh the Bailey wars are coming no matter who they take. His game was made to destroy Summer League. That’s turning into a complete ****.

[the_process]

I’ll take my chances on the team employing Doc Rivers to get the process wrong.

Doc Rivers will turn Ace Bailey to Paul Pierce 2.0 with defense possibly as good as KG

Dude take a break from Ace Bailey. We get it. You hate him with an unbridled passion. There's no reason to beat this into the ground over and over. We've got the memo at this point. You've filled pages upon pages on pure Ace Bailey hate. My God! You're a great poster, but you're blatantly trying to create some sort of division here. Puh-lease man! Do not bring that **** in here. We don't need another Jahlil Okafor/Evan Turner type of war where people are dishing out insults over a difference of opinion. God help this forum if we do draft Bailey. It'll be all out war on here the minute he isn't Michael Jordan.

Well, we will definitely say we told you so.

[ProcessDoctor]

It's going to be hilarious when CMB becomes more productive than all the guys we're talking about.

[sodmoraes]

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/p/sixers-ace-bailey-draft-case

Pretty good summary of Bailey´s case.

[SixthStreet]

Are there any wholesome guys that like to dance and paint nails in this draft? That's who I want.