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[Simmons25]

you can't say that when you haven't watched simmons play in a single nba game. simmons can do everything lonzo can do except shoot 3s at this point in his career. simmons actually has elite handles for a guy who is 6"6' and taller. ball has very average handles.

I would bet my left testicle that Simmons will shoot better than 19% from the 3 point line this year which is where Lonzo is currently at

[Unbreakable99]

you can't say that when you haven't watched simmons play in a single nba game. simmons can do everything lonzo can do except shoot 3s at this point in his career. simmons actually has elite handles for a guy who is 6"6' and taller. ball has very average handles.

I would bet my left testicle that Simmons will shoot better than 19% from the 3 point line this year which is where Lonzo is currently at

I doubt Ball shoots that bad in the regular season.

[Simmons25]

you can't say that when you haven't watched simmons play in a single nba game. simmons can do everything lonzo can do except shoot 3s at this point in his career. simmons actually has elite handles for a guy who is 6"6' and taller. ball has very average handles.

I would bet my left testicle that Simmons will shoot better than 19% from the 3 point line this year which is where Lonzo is currently at

I doubt Ball shoots that bad in the regular season.

I think he will actually be worse (If it's possible to be worse) once he gets real NBA defenders in his face and even less space and time.

Actually to be honest it's almost impossible to be worse than what he showed in SL... but he will never be a good outside shooter. If he starts hitting them it will only be because players are literally leaving him wide open and daring him to take them... and he is ok in that situation. Put the slightest pressure on him though and he will be spraying worse than a drunk taking a toilet break.

[Simmons25]

Since when is Simmons a proven winner? He didn't take his team to the NCAA tournament. Let's wait and see...At the moment he's Lamar Odom 2.0.

This "proven winner" thing is complete rubbish. It's not like they were at Kentucky or Duke and they underachieved. They went to scrub schools with scrub players. Simmons took a bunch of scrubs to a positive win record. Take a look at LSU the season after Simmons left and how they finished the year. Tell me Simmons didn't make that team of scrubs better than they were



As for Lamar Odom 2.0 Lamar Odom was a talent. His problem wasn't what he could do out on a basketball court it was what he was putting up his nose off the basketball court.

Saying he is Lamar Odom skillwise is not an insult it's a compliment. If you are insinuating though that he is Lamar Odom off the court... you are a moron.

[postaboy84]

Nope I'm not dissing Simmons. He's good but not great like you keep blasting all year long. I feel his ceiling is Lamar Odomish at the moment. I've been saying that day 1. Nothing wrong with that. Odom was an amazing player in his prime years but no way a superstar you proclaim to be...just don't think he's a winner or a leader in my eye. Hopefully he proves us wrong but I doubt it.


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[Simmons25]

Don't think anyone is proclaiming he is a can't miss superstar. I think he has superstar potential but potential is no guarantee of anything. If he is Lamar Odom I would be happy with that too.

I don't get the "Not a winner" thing though and will never understand what people mean by it.

Steph Curry is "not a winner" without Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.
Klay Thompson is "not a winner" without Draymond Green and Steph Curry.
Draymond Green is most definitely not a winner without Steph and Klay. You put Draymond on any other team and he isn't winning jack s#@t.
Kevin Durant was "not a winner" without all of the above.
Lebron James was "not a winner" until he could team up with D Wade and Bosh and even then he needed Ray Allen to bail him out. Also needed Kyrie and Love and a whole heap of luck as well to beat GSW.

So what constitutes "a winner". A winner to me is someone that can play with others and make those players around them better than they normally would be otherwise.

So in that respect Lebron is a winner. I think guys like Simmons and Lonzo Ball are "winners" because they will make others around them better... and it's why a guy like Carmelo Anthony isn't a winner. Carmelo Anthony can shoot all day long but he alone doesn't make the team better. Carmelo needs to join up and form a big 3 to make himself a winner... and he has a skill set that will bring you a championship.

I see Fultz a little bit the same way. I think he is a crucial piece that is going to help you win a championship... but he isn't necessarily you're #1 or #2 guy. Doesn't need to be.

[Chris76]

Don't think anyone is proclaiming he is a can't miss superstar. I think he has superstar potential but potential is no guarantee of anything. If he is Lamar Odom I would be happy with that too.

I don't get the "Not a winner" thing though and will never understand what people mean by it.

Steph Curry is "not a winner" without Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.
Klay Thompson is "not a winner" without Draymond Green and Steph Curry.
Draymond Green is most definitely not a winner without Steph and Klay. You put Draymond on any other team and he isn't winning jack s#@t.
Kevin Durant was "not a winner" without all of the above.
Lebron James was "not a winner" until he could team up with D Wade and Bosh and even then he needed Ray Allen to bail him out. Also needed Kyrie and Love and a whole heap of luck as well to beat GSW.

So what constitutes "a winner". A winner to me is someone that can play with others and make those players around them better than they normally would be otherwise.

So in that respect Lebron is a winner. I think guys like Simmons and Lonzo Ball are "winners" because they will make others around them better... and it's why a guy like Carmelo Anthony isn't a winner. Carmelo Anthony can shoot all day long but he alone doesn't make the team better. Carmelo needs to join up and form a big 3 to make himself a winner... and he has a skill set that will bring you a championship.

I see Fultz a little bit the same way. I think he is a crucial piece that is going to help you win a championship... but he isn't necessarily you're #1 or #2 guy. Doesn't need to be.

I agree, players like LeBron, Draymond, and hopefully Simmons find ways to make the team better. With so many different matchups, teams need players that can play multiple roles to be winners. Giving Simmons multiple sharp shooters and Embiid, seems to be a great opportunity for him to decide which weapons to use against different matchups. Anyway, Fultz has the same potential to decide which weapons, too. Fultz was the right pick because of this.

[Unbreakable99]

Don't think anyone is proclaiming he is a can't miss superstar. I think he has superstar potential but potential is no guarantee of anything. If he is Lamar Odom I would be happy with that too.

I don't get the "Not a winner" thing though and will never understand what people mean by it.

Steph Curry is "not a winner" without Draymond Green and Klay Thompson.
Klay Thompson is "not a winner" without Draymond Green and Steph Curry.
Draymond Green is most definitely not a winner without Steph and Klay. You put Draymond on any other team and he isn't winning jack s#@t.
Kevin Durant was "not a winner" without all of the above.
Lebron James was "not a winner" until he could team up with D Wade and Bosh and even then he needed Ray Allen to bail him out. Also needed Kyrie and Love and a whole heap of luck as well to beat GSW.

So what constitutes "a winner". A winner to me is someone that can play with others and make those players around them better than they normally would be otherwise.

So in that respect Lebron is a winner. I think guys like Simmons and Lonzo Ball are "winners" because they will make others around them better... and it's why a guy like Carmelo Anthony isn't a winner. Carmelo Anthony can shoot all day long but he alone doesn't make the team better. Carmelo needs to join up and form a big 3 to make himself a winner... and he has a skill set that will bring you a championship.

I see Fultz a little bit the same way. I think he is a crucial piece that is going to help you win a championship... but he isn't necessarily you're #1 or #2 guy. Doesn't need to be.

I am claiming Simmons is a can't miss superstar. I have such an biased view on Simmons and will cape for him so hard. Even though I'm biased I still think he is a transcendent player and makes players around him better. LSU didn't utilize him correctly. BC is utilizing him correctly by putting the ball in his hands and surrounding him with shooters. This team is tailor made for Simmons to thrive. I know I may be in the minority but I do think Simmons will be a better player than Embiid even if both are fully healthy. I think Simmons has the higher ceiling. And I think Embiid has top 5 NBA talent so you know how high I am on Simmons.

[Misteclipse]

The not a winner argument is one of the most ridiculous arguments there is. You're essentially saying that if Simmons (or Fultz) were front runners that won a bunch of games at Duke or Kentucky instead of going elsewhere, they would somehow magically be better prospects. In that context, the argument sounds as dumb as it is.

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[PhilBlackson]

Can't wait to see Simmons steamroll the Ball bandwagon.

[Ericb5]

Simmons is a cant miss superstar. He is a way better prospect than Odom because Odom was basically a big mobile guy that had lots of skills. Simmons is actually a guard that is the size of a power forward. He is basically a pure point guard that has elite rebounding skills. Odom could handle and pass, but he wasn't a facilitator by nature.

On top of that, Odom was a pure knucklehead both on and off the court. Simmons is a gym rat that is all business all the time.

I think that Simmons is somewhere between Odom and Lebron, but I think he is closer to Lebron than Odom.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I think there are legitimate ways Simmons can tank in the league. Don't see it happening but it's not inconceivable.

[Unbreakable99]

Can't wait to see Simmons steamroll the NBA.

Fixed.

[LordCovington33]

Can't wait to see Embiid teabag Ball

Fixed.

[Simmons25]

The not a winner argument is one of the most ridiculous arguments there is. You're essentially saying that if Simmons (or Fultz) were front runners that won a bunch of games at Duke or Kentucky instead of going elsewhere, they would somehow magically be better prospects. In that context, the argument sounds as dumb as it is.

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Agree. Simmons and Fultz in some ways had it even harder as the only guys on their team getting the defensive attention and often had double and triple teams on them so that they had to kick out to other lesser teammates.

Alot of people also have forgotten how dominant a season Simmons had in College. The guy averaged 19.1 pts, 11.7 rebounds and 4.8 assists per game. He was 0.2 of an assist away from being the only player in the last 20 years to average 15, 10, 5 in NCAA and he did it as a 1 and done. Crazy that his assists was the statistic that was down but a lot of that is down to his teammates not finishing off easy layups and open 3's... he easily could have averaged 10 assists per game.

When you look at Simmons season in college it ranks up there with the best of all time.

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2016/01/ben_simmons_freshman_season_ra.html

He ranks 28th nationally in scoring (20.0), fourth in rebounding (12.9) and fifth in double-doubles (13). He is the first player in the last two decades to average 15 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game and he leads all freshmen in scoring, rebounding and assists.

In fact, his season compares favorably with any freshman in the history of the game. You have to go back to Kenny Anderson in 1979-80 and Magic Johnson in 1977-78 to find another player with such a complete statistical package.

Chris Jackson (30.2) and Kevin Durant (25.8) scored more points but each required significantly more field goal attempts than Simmons' 12 per game. Jackson shot 22 times a game. Durant averaged 18 field-goal attempts.

Only point guards Anderson (8.1), Johnson (7.4) and Jason Kidd (7.7) averaged more assists. And his 12.9 rebound average is better than big men like O'Neal (12.0), Anthony Davis (9.8) and Patrick Ewing (7.5).

[anubis0713]

Since when is Simmons a proven winner? He didn't take his team to the NCAA tournament. Let's wait and see...At the moment he's Lamar Odom 2.0.


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He has played four full years of basketball in America and has won three national championships.

[Cheatergriffin]

Ben = a less freakishly built giannas, with freakish vision.

God help the league if he develops a 20 footer.

[PhilasFinest]

All this talk about kids being "winners" in College....Let us not forgot the National Champion and MVP Tank Commander....Jahlil Okafor!

[Kobblehead]

All this talk about kids being "winners" in College....Let us not forgot the National Champion and MVP Tank Commander....Jahlil Okafor!

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