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Arsenal wrote:Taking a glorified Clint Capela with a high 1st would be a disaster. So would taking a big that can't defend, has turrible athleticism, and is closer to a junior than a freshman.
If we trade down to #7 or #8 the pick should be Noa or Kasparas.
sodmoraes wrote:
I thought Nipples was too injured last week to go to the Combine...
Iverson Armband wrote:Gonna be a long 4 weeks!
FireMorey wrote:Trading down to 7 or 8 unless you get something absolutely substantial in terms of future first round draft capital is crazy.
If you're doing it for a player plus a later pick, that does not benefit the Sixers. What would Cam Johnson or Herb Jones offer the Sixers that moves the needle? At 3 you have a chance at a franchise player. Now maybe you don't believe that a player at 7 or 8 is much of a difference, but the reality is, you're still passing on 4 or 5 players when you do that. Your options are far greater at pick 3 than 7 or 8, and I want the most options available to get this pick right. And I highly doubt the player the Sixers took at 8 would be a player they would have taken at 3. They'd definitely be settling for a lesser player without much of a worthwhile return.
Other teams want to move up? I want multiple future unprotected picks or no dice.
Black Mage wrote:Iverson Armband wrote:Gonna be a long 4 weeks!
The moron Pompey said we won't know the who the Sixers pick in the draft for another few months. Dude has one job and doesn't even remember the draft is in a month.
the_process wrote:ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:76ciology wrote:
Doc Rivers will turn Ace Bailey to Paul Pierce 2.0 with defense possibly as good as KG
Dude take a break from Ace Bailey. We get it. You hate him with an unbridled passion. There's no reason to beat this into the ground over and over. We've got the memo at this point. You've filled pages upon pages on pure Ace Bailey hate. My God! You're a great poster, but you're blatantly trying to create some sort of division here. Puh-lease man! Do not bring that **** in here. We don't need another Jahlil Okafor/Evan Turner type of war where people are dishing out insults over a difference of opinion. God help this forum if we do draft Bailey. It'll be all out war on here the minute he isn't Michael Jordan.
Well, we will definitely say we told you so.
sodmoraes wrote:
I thought Nipples was too injured last week to go to the Combine...
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:the_process wrote:ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Dude take a break from Ace Bailey. We get it. You hate him with an unbridled passion. There's no reason to beat this into the ground over and over. We've got the memo at this point. You've filled pages upon pages on pure Ace Bailey hate. My God! You're a great poster, but you're blatantly trying to create some sort of division here. Puh-lease man! Do not bring that **** in here. We don't need another Jahlil Okafor/Evan Turner type of war where people are dishing out insults over a difference of opinion. God help this forum if we do draft Bailey. It'll be all out war on here the minute he isn't Michael Jordan.
Well, we will definitely say we told you so.
Hey...I'm just happy to be here. I'm glad we kept our pick. All I'm saying is let's not get too obsessed here and turn this into a **** show. I...Dont..care...who...we...draft....Let me be clear on that.
I think it's bad luck to put the negative vibes out there continuously on one player. Suppose Morey does take Bailey third? Then what? You've got the "IToldUSoers" that are going to make it their lifelong aspiration to trash Bailey any chance they get. You'll have dudes that are hoping he busts just so they don't have to be wrong. It's a sick world this internet universe. I mean, we have our pick. This team has at the very least shown that they can draft decently so I'm going be at ease with whatever they do. I caused a scene about McCain last June and I'm not going to do that again.
We need this pick to work out for us. Pushing agendas and narratives this early in the process is borderline crazy. These are delicate times right now and we can't afford to be wrong about this pick. It doesn't help that Ace Bailey is suddenly living rent free in some of the heads on this forum. I don't care either way at the end of the day. Bailey, Edgecombe, Queen, YaMomma...We just need to hit on this pick and putting bad mojo out there over and over again nonstop on both here AND the draft page on the GB is a little unnecessary. Cast a spell on Ace, hex him, use voodoo IDGAF, but put that **** somewhere else. Much love to all of you even if you show me the opposite, even if we disagree. I just think the hate for an 18 year kid needs to cool a bit.
For the record, I'm not saying anyone's opinions are wrong. 76ciology has a great basketball mind.
FireMorey wrote:Trading down to 7 or 8 unless you get something absolutely substantial in terms of future first round draft capital is crazy.
If you're doing it for a player plus a later pick, that does not benefit the Sixers. What would Cam Johnson or Herb Jones offer the Sixers that moves the needle? At 3 you have a chance at a franchise player. Now maybe you don't believe that a player at 7 or 8 is much of a difference, but the reality is, you're still passing on 4 or 5 players when you do that. Your options are far greater at pick 3 than 7 or 8, and I want the most options available to get this pick right. And I highly doubt the player the Sixers took at 8 would be a player they would have taken at 3. They'd definitely be settling for a lesser player without much of a worthwhile return.
Other teams want to move up? I want multiple future unprotected picks or no dice.
Kolkmania wrote:stormi wrote:Negrodamus wrote:https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-nba-mock-draft-rumors-tre-johnson-stats-highlights-interview-player-comparison-rutgers-ahmed-jama/
Tre is just Buddy Hield. We have to be real about him.
Entire query of drafted FRPs since '08 with Tre's lack of passing (<20% assist), lack of offensive rebounding (<=2%), STL (<=2%), DPBM (<=1):
- Nik Stauskas
- Cam Thomas
- John Jenkins
- Jerome Robinson
- Jett Howard
- Kira Lewis
- Malachi Flynn
- Tre Mann
Loser archetype.
Isn't Tre's DBPM 1.2 and does he therefore fall outside your very specific set of filters?
I don't think that his defensive and rebounding flaws are something to neglect. However, it must also be noted that he's not *just* as a shooter. He shot extremely high percentages on high difficulty shots and a a massive volume for a team with no help. Paired with plenty of playmaking flashes, while playing in a strong conference as a 6'6'' 18 year old kid with a 6'10 wingspan.
If we turn the question around and focus on the things that he can do, I think the list of players that meet the above threshold is also really, really slim?
I do think that the Nik Stauskas comparison is a really interesting one. Both 6'6'' wings with versatile shooting skills and playmaking chops. I think that Tre is a little bit more dynamic in his shooting, both in his shot profile but also the ease of making (long) shots off screens. Ultimately Stauskas' shooting never translated to the NBA which nullified his potential.
Tre needs to get stronger to hold his own as a SG/SF in the league, but he just turned 19. I don't think that is a long shot. The lateral quickness and inability to get around screens is my biggest concern. I am a bit worried about his quick twitch ability, but a big factor is also his horrendous technique/footwork. That could be improved with training of course.
mjkvol wrote:Really interesting discussion on here, a lot more illuminating than much of the national media tripe which tends to echo the same stuff over and over.
A question for you guys who would rather swing for the fences just because we are picking at #3 for a prospective "high ceiling" player who is a longshot to ever reach that ceiling, like Ace Bailey - you would take the 1 in 20 chance that this kid becomes more than MPJ or worse, Michael Beasley, and is much more likely to be just a good 3&D guy at his peak than a legit "star" rather than a much more certain prospect whose floor appears to be a solid starter on a good team with the upside of being an elite role player. Why?
Is a very possibly wasted high pick a better bet in an uncertain draft like this one, with really only two players who seem like locks to be stars, than just picking the kid you believe has the best chance to succeed at the next level, just because it's at #3 rather than #6?
I would only entertain a trade down for more picks, not win-now players when this group is not winning anything now - unless "win now" means just making the playoffs. But the best part of a trade down to the 6-8 area is that Ace and Tre are likely gone and we can start thinking clearly about what kid has the best shot at being a great role player - which is exactly what this draft looks to be about after picks 1 and 2.
Flame away.
Arsenal wrote:mjkvol wrote:Really interesting discussion on here, a lot more illuminating than much of the national media tripe which tends to echo the same stuff over and over.
A question for you guys who would rather swing for the fences just because we are picking at #3 for a prospective "high ceiling" player who is a longshot to ever reach that ceiling, like Ace Bailey - you would take the 1 in 20 chance that this kid becomes more than MPJ or worse, Michael Beasley, and is much more likely to be just a good 3&D guy at his peak than a legit "star" rather than a much more certain prospect whose floor appears to be a solid starter on a good team with the upside of being an elite role player. Why?
Is a very possibly wasted high pick a better bet in an uncertain draft like this one, with really only two players who seem like locks to be stars, than just picking the kid you believe has the best chance to succeed at the next level, just because it's at #3 rather than #6?
I would only entertain a trade down for more picks, not win-now players when this group is not winning anything now - unless "win now" means just making the playoffs. But the best part of a trade down to the 6-8 area is that Ace and Tre are likely gone and we can start thinking clearly about what kid has the best shot at being a great role player - which is exactly what this draft looks to be about after picks 1 and 2.
Flame away.
Role players don't move the needle. They're a dime a dozen, and a good GM has various means to acquire them.
What matters in the NBA is stars. And very high (top 5) picks are the best/easiest way to acquire them.
Getting a guy who can only "succeed" enough to be a starter or role player isn't worth the opportunity cost with a top pick.
Arsenal wrote:mjkvol wrote:Really interesting discussion on here, a lot more illuminating than much of the national media tripe which tends to echo the same stuff over and over.
A question for you guys who would rather swing for the fences just because we are picking at #3 for a prospective "high ceiling" player who is a longshot to ever reach that ceiling, like Ace Bailey - you would take the 1 in 20 chance that this kid becomes more than MPJ or worse, Michael Beasley, and is much more likely to be just a good 3&D guy at his peak than a legit "star" rather than a much more certain prospect whose floor appears to be a solid starter on a good team with the upside of being an elite role player. Why?
Is a very possibly wasted high pick a better bet in an uncertain draft like this one, with really only two players who seem like locks to be stars, than just picking the kid you believe has the best chance to succeed at the next level, just because it's at #3 rather than #6?
I would only entertain a trade down for more picks, not win-now players when this group is not winning anything now - unless "win now" means just making the playoffs. But the best part of a trade down to the 6-8 area is that Ace and Tre are likely gone and we can start thinking clearly about what kid has the best shot at being a great role player - which is exactly what this draft looks to be about after picks 1 and 2.
Flame away.
Role players don't move the needle. They're a dime a dozen, and a good GM has various means to acquire them.
What matters in the NBA is stars. And very high (top 5) picks are the best/easiest way to acquire them.
Getting a guy who can only "succeed" enough to be a starter or role player isn't worth the opportunity cost with a top pick.
