Fantasy Trade Thread

[TTP]

yeah, why?

Bender and Ulis.....for the 3rd pick plus more?

I think Bender compares favorably to the prospects that will be available at 3 this year. He fits pretty well next to Embiid and arguably has more upside than Monk/Isaac/Frank, and the rest of the names that are being thrown around as good fits on this roster. I think #3 for him straight up makes some sense for both sides. It may be slightly undervaluing 3, which is why we get back a good fit and relatively talented prospect in Ulis who is likely worth more than 2 seconds at this point

Hell no.

He wasn't even the #3 pick a year ago in a weaker draft and he just had a very poor rookie season. Even if he had performed at expectation (he didn't), the lost year of contract control makes him worth less now than a year ago. You're proposing that he actually gained value.

I doubt he's worth a top 10 pick right now.

[TTP]

what about it don't you like? I personally think Bender + Ulis would be a good haul for 3 and filler

Bender would be 9 or 10 this year, and Ulis would probably be in the mid twenties.




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I probably wouldn't do it, but don't think it's that far off either. Ulis is a nice player at position of need for us and BC has been on the record saying he is still looking for a PF/Stretch 4 for us. Bender is supposed to be that. He was extremely raw last (rookie) season.

I disagree with the bolded.

Yes, he's a point guard, but if you think about team construction more beyond "we need X position", he's not really a good fit. One of the luxuries of having Simmons is that it allows you to play a non-traditional point guard that doesn't have to worry about being the primary ball-handler/creator. You probably want a 3 and D PG next to Simmons or an undersized SG like CJ McCollum that acts like a SG on offense but can benefit by moving down a position and defending the point - not just any player with the point guard label. Trotting out a 5'10 likely sieve squanders that opportunity.

Also, he almost certainly wouldn't be getting minutes in the backup PG role over TJ, so I'm not sure he even satisfies much of a point guard need. We need either someone that is good enough to be a starting point/combo guard now (Lowry, Holiday, Mills, etc) or someone that projects to be in the future (ideally a lottery pick).

[smittybanton]

Wojnarowski and Marks dismiss the idea that the Kings would trade the fifth and 10th overall picks to move up to No. 3 to nab a top point guard. However, they acknowledge that Sacramento packaging the No. 5 pick with something a little less valuable in order to trade up wouldn’t be unrealistic.

Inbetween these options is the Sixers adding something to #3 to get #5 and #10.

Such as Okafor and a future 1st.

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More like TJ McConnell, Justin Anderson and OKC20(x20).

SAC doesn't need bigs, I dont think. They have no point guards, and no small forwards. They can get Josh Jackson and Frank Mason (#34), along with young CHEAP vets, Anderson and McConnell. Those two support Buddy Hield well, I think.

They are a horrible free agent destination, so they should use give their capspace to Portland for Evan Turner and #20. That'd be my pitch to SAC.

[JoJoEmbiid]

Would you do 3 for 5 and a 2018 pick swap?

[Vince5693]

Would you do 3 for 5 and a 2018 pick swap?

Can't have two consecutive picks from the same team. Since we own their 2019, we can't swap with them in 2018

[Arsenal]

Would you do 3 for 5 and a 2018 pick swap?

Can't have two consecutive picks from the same team. Since we own their 2019, we can't swap with them in 2018

Incorrect. Boston has a pick swap with BKN this year and the BKN pick outright next year.

[eagereyez]

Would you do 3 for 5 and a 2018 pick swap?

Can't have two consecutive picks from the same team. Since we own their 2019, we can't swap with them in 2018

Yes we can. Boston did just that with Brooklyn. You can't trade consecutive picks away but you can trade a swap and then a pick.

[Vince5693]

Would you do 3 for 5 and a 2018 pick swap?

Can't have two consecutive picks from the same team. Since we own their 2019, we can't swap with them in 2018

Incorrect. Boston has a pick swap with BKN this year and the BKN pick outright next year.

Ohhh okay. My mistake. Should have read into it more. I didn't even think about bos

[LloydFree]

Bender and Ulis.....for the 3rd pick plus more?

I think Bender compares favorably to the prospects that will be available at 3 this year. He fits pretty well next to Embiid and arguably has more upside than Monk/Isaac/Frank, and the rest of the names that are being thrown around as good fits on this roster. I think #3 for him straight up makes some sense for both sides. It may be slightly undervaluing 3, which is why we get back a good fit and relatively talented prospect in Ulis who is likely worth more than 2 seconds at this point

Bender could barely even get off the bench for the Suns this year. He played 13 minutes a game in a little over only half of their games, averaging 3.4 ppg. No one would trade a top 20 pick for him right now.

Id trade Saric for Bender right now.

[Unbreakable99]

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[yourewrong]

Bender and Ulis.....for the 3rd pick plus more?

I think Bender compares favorably to the prospects that will be available at 3 this year. He fits pretty well next to Embiid and arguably has more upside than Monk/Isaac/Frank, and the rest of the names that are being thrown around as good fits on this roster. I think #3 for him straight up makes some sense for both sides. It may be slightly undervaluing 3, which is why we get back a good fit and relatively talented prospect in Ulis who is likely worth more than 2 seconds at this point

Hell no.

He wasn't even the #3 pick a year ago in a weaker draft and he just had a very poor rookie season. Even if he had performed at expectation (he didn't), the lost year of contract control makes him worth less now than a year ago. You're proposing that he actually gained value.

I doubt he's worth a top 10 pick right now.

I don't hold his rookie season production against him. Everyone knew he was raw coming out and he was the youngest player in the NBA last season

[TTP]

I think Bender compares favorably to the prospects that will be available at 3 this year. He fits pretty well next to Embiid and arguably has more upside than Monk/Isaac/Frank, and the rest of the names that are being thrown around as good fits on this roster. I think #3 for him straight up makes some sense for both sides. It may be slightly undervaluing 3, which is why we get back a good fit and relatively talented prospect in Ulis who is likely worth more than 2 seconds at this point

Hell no.

He wasn't even the #3 pick a year ago in a weaker draft and he just had a very poor rookie season. Even if he had performed at expectation (he didn't), the lost year of contract control makes him worth less now than a year ago. You're proposing that he actually gained value.

I doubt he's worth a top 10 pick right now.

I don't hold his rookie season production against him. Everyone knew he was raw coming out and he was the youngest player in the NBA last season

You should though.

If we assume that Bender had a range of outcomes, he's now lost the very highest percentile outcomes as possibilities (breaking out right away). It doesn't happen often that a young, raw rookie breaks out, but it happens occasionally (Porzingis being a recent example), and it makes up a nonzero percentage of value of a high lottery pick.

I'm not sure where Bender's rookie season lies on that range of potential outcomes, but I can't imagine it's particularly high, probably not even an above average outcome.

At minimum, some value is lost from losing a year of contract control.

Furthermore, the 3rd pick this year is almost certainly a more valuable pick than the 4th pick last year, so it's not enough for your argument to say that you aren't holding his rookie season against him. You actually have to argue that he's gained value from last season, enough to both offset the loss of a year of contract control and to bridge the gap from 4th pick in a weak draft to 3rd pick in a stronger draft. I don't believe anyone can rationally make that argument.

[yourewrong]

the 3rd pick this year is almost certainly a more valuable pick than the 4th pick last year

Sure, but that only applies in this scenario if you think Bender deserved to go 4th last year. I personally think he was the second best prospect in that class.

[yourewrong]

Since my last trade proposal didn't go well, I'll try another one on for size, hope it goes better.

This is contingent on the reports of the Kings willing to move 5 and 10 for 3 being real, and I think it's a bit Hinkie-esque if I do say so myself:
Kings receive: #3
Sixers receive: 2018 1st swap rights, #10

This may be too rich for Sacramento's blood, in which case I'd counter with #3 for the swap + Papagiannis and I'd go as low as #3 + Okafor for the swap + Malachi. I think it makes sense for the Sixers in that 3 for them seems like it will either be a reach or a bad fit, and getting a few extra ping pong balls in the Doncic lottery may be worth it. Kings would get another top 10 selection which would quite literally allow them to complete their lineup if they so choose or try and put together a package to get up into the top 2. Kings lowkey have a good shot at the worst record next season in my opinion.

[Unbreakable99]

Since my last trade proposal didn't go well, I'll try another one on for size, hope it goes better.

This is contingent on the reports of the Kings willing to move 5 and 10 for 3 being real, and I think it's a bit Hinkie-esque if I do say so myself:
Kings receive: #3
Sixers receive: 2018 1st swap rights, #10

This may be too rich for Sacramento's blood, in which case I'd counter with #3 for the swap + Papagiannis and I'd go as low as #3 + Okafor for the swap + Malachi. I think it makes sense for the Sixers in that 3 for them seems like it will either be a reach or a bad fit, and getting a few extra ping pong balls in the Doncic lottery may be worth it. Kings would get another top 10 selection which would quite literally allow them to complete their roster if they so choose or try and put together a package to get up into the top 2. Kings lowkey have a good shot at the worst record next season in my opinion.

No.

[yourewrong]

Since my last trade proposal didn't go well, I'll try another one on for size, hope it goes better.

This is contingent on the reports of the Kings willing to move 5 and 10 for 3 being real, and I think it's a bit Hinkie-esque if I do say so myself:
Kings receive: #3
Sixers receive: 2018 1st swap rights, #10

This may be too rich for Sacramento's blood, in which case I'd counter with #3 for the swap + Papagiannis and I'd go as low as #3 + Okafor for the swap + Malachi. I think it makes sense for the Sixers in that 3 for them seems like it will either be a reach or a bad fit, and getting a few extra ping pong balls in the Doncic lottery may be worth it. Kings would get another top 10 selection which would quite literally allow them to complete their roster if they so choose or try and put together a package to get up into the top 2. Kings lowkey have a good shot at the worst record next season in my opinion.

No.

why?

[OFWGKTA]

Would you guys do #7 for the better of your/LALs pick next year?

[yourewrong]

Would you guys do #7 for the better of your/LALs pick next year?

I wouldn't even consider it. I don't even like next year's class outside of Doncic, but that LA pick has too much upside.

[XtremeDunkz]

Since my last trade proposal didn't go well, I'll try another one on for size, hope it goes better.

This is contingent on the reports of the Kings willing to move 5 and 10 for 3 being real, and I think it's a bit Hinkie-esque if I do say so myself:
Kings receive: #3
Sixers receive: 2018 1st swap rights, #10

This may be too rich for Sacramento's blood, in which case I'd counter with #3 for the swap + Papagiannis and I'd go as low as #3 + Okafor for the swap + Malachi. I think it makes sense for the Sixers in that 3 for them seems like it will either be a reach or a bad fit, and getting a few extra ping pong balls in the Doncic lottery may be worth it. Kings would get another top 10 selection which would quite literally allow them to complete their roster if they so choose or try and put together a package to get up into the top 2. Kings lowkey have a good shot at the worst record next season in my opinion.

No.

why?

LOL come on man. You want to trade the 3rd pick to move all the way back to number 10, for a swap possibility? That may or may not happen?

You need to be banned from this thread.

[yourewrong]

No.

why?

LOL come on man. You want to trade the 3rd pick to move all the way back to number 10, for a swap possibility? That may or may not happen?

You need to be banned from this thread.

For a chance to get a first from a team that will be playing nearly all rookies in sophomores, and are primed for a bottom 3 record? In a class featuring a guy as skilled and potentially transcendent as Luka Doncic? When the alternative is choosing guys like Josh Jackson who don't fit on the roster or Malik Monk/Jonathan Isaac who don't have the pedigree to go #3 in a respectable draft class? What is at all unreasonable about that?