The Coaching Thread/SF76 Update: Page 54

[Coach Clyde]

We can argue all day about whether Avery Johnson's a can of ReddiWip or a bowl of freshly whipped cream, but the fact is, no mater what, he's just going to be dabbed atop a steaming brown turd.

[LongLiveHinkie]

It isn't just the 1 seed vs 8 seed thing. They went out like absolute chumps when they got eliminated. They may have even been down by 30 at one point. A lot of it is on the players, but sometimes players take on the will of a coach. If you coach up your players that doesn't happen.

[Foshan]

I really don't like Avery Johnson at all. He seems to be very stubborn, sticks to his plan even if it ends in failure (somewhat similar to Jordan) and I don't think he has a proper understanding about our team (recalling an interview the past year). Moreover he is not really proven at all.

I remember hearing AJ talking about the sixers before the coaching search, and he said how Iggy wasn't a 2, but a 3 and maybe a 4... I was like WTF a 4???

/sigh

[The Guilty Party]

I remember hearing AJ talking about the sixers before the coaching search, and he said how Iggy wasn't a 2, but a 3 and maybe a 4... I was like WTF a 4???

/sigh

That does seem a bit concerning. Does he see Thad as a 5? Perhaps Johnson is still feeling the sting of that GSW loss and wants to play the game with 5 swingmen in an attempt to never lose to the Warriors again.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Iguodala played the 4 in Arizona. He does have some of the makeup of a hybrid 4. He's a good rebounder, he can push the ball out of the break. I think he sees Iguodala in the lite of Shawn Marion.

Which is actually alot closer to what Iguodala is, then what Stefanski and friends think Iguodala is. Iggy's an average ball handler( if that), not a great one. He's a somewhat decent mid-range shooter, bordering on bad mid-range shooter. He isn't a 3pt shooter or a consistent slasher.

And his post game is non existent. I mean, when you can't punish Brandon Jennings then something's wrong.

So Avery's analysis is quite accurate here.

Now, Avery went onto say Lou was a combo guard Jason Terry-ish. Which I found interesting, seeing as they had Devin Harris who is also a 6'0-ish guard. Avery himself is 5'11 no? But it was clear if Avery was hired. Either 1: Jrue would've started from day 1, or 2: Avery would've demanded a veteran 3rd PG be signed. He didn't trust Lou with the starting job.

But I think Lou proved the doubters wrong. Our defense killed us alot more then our offense(though the offense leaves alot to be desired). Lou kept his turnovers down, he found a way to contribute other then offense with the rebounds. And before the jaw injury, he was just a force.

[PhilasFinest]

After really thinking about it... Johnson may be our best option of non assistants behind brown.

[Mojo7]

Yeah, he's the coach of the only 1-seed to lose to an 8, but they had never beaten GS that whole season.

Dikembe wags his finger at this one. Nugs took out the sonics. And the Knicks took out Miami or vice versa one year.

Let me clarify. He's the coach of the only 1-seed to lose to an 8 in a Best of Seven. The others were best of 5

[Mojo7]

It isn't just the 1 seed vs 8 seed thing. They went out like absolute chumps when they got eliminated. They may have even been down by 30 at one point. A lot of it is on the players, but sometimes players take on the will of a coach. If you coach up your players that doesn't happen.

Considering the players consistently said AJ was the toughest person on the team, I cannot put the full blame on him. They shot under 40% from the floor in 3 games of that series, including the elimination game. Again, the MVP shot 2-13, including 0-6 from deep. How is that on AJ?

Besides, if you want to speak about teams going out like chumps, I guess Phil Jackson, to name one, would be scratched off your list based on the 2008 Finals.

[Mojo7]

I remember hearing AJ talking about the sixers before the coaching search, and he said how Iggy wasn't a 2, but a 3 and maybe a 4... I was like WTF a 4???

/sigh

That does seem a bit concerning. Does he see Thad as a 5? Perhaps Johnson is still feeling the sting of that GSW loss and wants to play the game with 5 swingmen in an attempt to never lose to the Warriors again.

I remember that. He was arguing that Dala was a natural 3 who could play the 4 against certain matchups(vs Bargnani or Lewis, for example). None of that is inaccurate.

[sixerswillrule]

Except that he said he can't be a 2 but could be a 4, when in reality he's much more likely to have a favorable matchup at the 2 then at the 4...

[LongLiveHinkie]

It isn't just the 1 seed vs 8 seed thing. They went out like absolute chumps when they got eliminated. They may have even been down by 30 at one point. A lot of it is on the players, but sometimes players take on the will of a coach. If you coach up your players that doesn't happen.

Considering the players consistently said AJ was the toughest person on the team, I cannot put the full blame on him. They shot under 40% from the floor in 3 games of that series, including the elimination game. Again, the MVP shot 2-13, including 0-6 from deep. How is that on AJ?

Besides, if you want to speak about teams going out like chumps, I guess Phil Jackson, to name one, would be scratched off your list based on the 2008 Finals.

Phil Jackson has already won many titles as a coach though, plus they just won 2 championships in a row an are going for 3.

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My choice is Laimbeer, with DiLeo as GM. Not many of the reported names excite me at all.

Rather look at Brian Shaw than most others talked about.

[The Guilty Party]

My choice is Laimbeer, with DiLeo as GM. Not many of the reported names excite me at all.

Rather look at Brian Shaw than most others talked about.

Agree 100% with you on this. I imagine Shaw is just waiting for the chance to take over for Jackson. I have to think he is the heir apparent to the throne either after this season or next.

[dond]

All that is really going on now is deciding where the blame is going to be placed if things go badly again next year. If a proven (winning record) coach is hired, then the blame will lie with the players and GM, etc ... If they hire an unproven coach (losing record or no record) , then the blame will fall on the coach, just as it did this year.

And, as long as Elton Brand is on the team, and expected to be a starting player, this team will not do very well. If I were a coach interviewing for this job, I would want to interview Elton Brand to see if he is ok with not being a starter. I could not coach this team with that problem hanging over my head.

[The Guilty Party]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... llins.html

Apparently Stefanski has already met with Doug Collins and so the search is officially under way.

[Mojo7]

Except that he said he can't be a 2 but could be a 4, when in reality he's much more likely to have a favorable matchup at the 2 then at the 4...

I disagree with his blanket statement regarding Iguodala at the 2. Dala can play 1-4, depending on situation and matchup.

Regarding favorable matchups, that might depend on which end of the floor you are speaking. He can check virtually any 2, however a number of 2's can give him problems unless he's allowed to post up more. If he's playing on the perimeter, there are not many 4's who could play him, meanwhile he could guard any finesse/stretch 4's competently. It becomes a situational thing, really.

[Mojo7]

Among the retreads, AJ is at the top of my list. He is a proven defensive taskmaster with a history of winning.

That being said, I'd prefer a fresh perspective. I would like to see Mike Budenholzer, Thibodeau, Elston Turner(HOU), Brian Shaw, Laimbeer or Aaron McKie get legit interviews, and I would prefer one of them get a shot(top of the list would be Bud, Thibodeau, Laimbeer or Turner, with McKie as a darkhorse).

[sec-106]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/Sixers_met_with_Doug_Collins.html

Apparently Stefanski has already met with Doug Collins and so the search is officially under way.

Didn't Gene Shue coach Collins here?

[tk76]

I'm not really excited by any of these coaches- probably because I'm not all that interested in making the playoffs next year. If they make the playoffs based on guys like Jrue/Thad/Speights progressing then great... but I'd probably rather see another high lottery pick next year to increase the talent base with an eye towards 2-3 years from now.

If the young core is ready in 2-3 years then they could flip Brand's enormous expiring contract for a stud vet who gets them to contender status. But these next 2 years needs to be about player development and building- and I'm not sure any of the "name" coaches out there would be interested in that type of long term plan.

[PhilasFinest]

Lynam on CSN: no timetable has been set for search's end.

Sixers like collins' attention to details, defense, proven track record and his discipline and command over team.

Collins said that he would encourage alot of change through the roster because we have alot of pieces that don't fit together.