The Sixerfan1976 Draft Thread (Update Pg. 49)

[sixerfan1976]

Hey SF76, are you sure this doesn't have to do anything with our draft selection?It seems like we don't need another wing and we need a truce center....and I am really worrid about this..

Backup over-30 SF's don't impact the #2 pick in the draft. I've been told by 3 people, all of whom I trust, that this has no impact on our draft selection and Turner is the target.

yup yup

[LongLiveHinkie]

Does anyone here know how much cap room we would have had if we kept Sammy and dumped him?

[TheAnalyst]

Wow I don't care to read any of those links... All I'll do is say this:

The year before that: 18.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.3 apg

and the year before that?: 19.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.8 apg

and both years we made the playoffs

actually the numbers you said have not occurred since his sophomore year.

And 7/8 of those points come off fast break buckets. Another 4/5 come off the FT line. Adding the "miniumn" of 7+4=11 PTS in another setting other then half-court. When it comes to the half-court however, he's a 7-8 PPG player.

I'm sorry, he's a mediocre/average offensive player.

His numbers would drop if put on any other team. See Shawn Marion!

Did you just compare the current Sixers to the Suns of 2004-07?

[The Guilty Party]

Does anyone here know how much cap room we would have had if we kept Sammy and dumped him?

That's really hard to answer because the CBA is going to change next summer. If we were operating under the old rules and we just allowed Thaddeus Young and Jason Smith to walk away as UFAs, I believe the number was around $11.5MIL.

Again though... the CBA is going to change and our cap space probably would have ended up being less than that.

[ZzAzZ]

Wow I don't care to read any of those links... All I'll do is say this:

The year before that: 18.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.3 apg

and the year before that?: 19.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.8 apg

and both years we made the playoffs

actually the numbers you said have not occurred since his sophomore year.

And 7/8 of those points come off fast break buckets. Another 4/5 come off the FT line. Adding the "miniumn" of 7+4=11 PTS in another setting other then half-court. When it comes to the half-court however, he's a 7-8 PPG player.

I'm sorry, he's a mediocre/average offensive player.

His numbers would drop if put on any other team. See Shawn Marion!

Did you just compare the current Sixers to the Suns of 2004-07?

What, you don't think we're a run and gun team with an offensive genius for a coach, great shooters to space the floor and a hall of fame PG getting people easy looks?

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

I didn't compare the Sixers to any other team. I compared to how Marion fit on a system/team and how his numbers went down once put in a different situation.

[Negrodamus]

Wow I don't care to read any of those links... All I'll do is say this:

The year before that: 18.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.3 apg

and the year before that?: 19.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 4.8 apg

and both years we made the playoffs

actually the numbers you said have not occurred since his sophomore year.

And 7/8 of those points come off fast break buckets. Another 4/5 come off the FT line. Adding the "miniumn" of 7+4=11 PTS in another setting other then half-court. When it comes to the half-court however, he's a 7-8 PPG player.

I'm sorry, he's a mediocre/average offensive player.

His numbers would drop if put on any other team. See Shawn Marion!

This is such a terrible argument... Then Stoudemire is a pedestrian big man in the league because he plays for a team that works with his style.. I'm not even going to go into this anymore. You're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

[sixerfan1976]

i will be asking about hawes..if he fits the build of a young big man you want...do you just go get a center to back up him? a vet one? for say green or kapono?

i wouldnt trade thad for a vet center..but i wonder what you would try and get now for thad if your young center was already acquired.

unless you are moving speights......interesting..i will see what i can find out

[ITK9]

Hey SF76, are you sure this doesn't have to do anything with our draft selection?It seems like we don't need another wing and we need a truce center....and I am really worrid about this..

Backup over-30 SF's don't impact the #2 pick in the draft. I've been told by 3 people, all of whom I trust, that this has no impact on our draft selection and Turner is the target.

well..i feel the same but i was just curious.

[tk76]

Please do not muck up SF1976's threads with arguments about Iguodala's relative merits. there are plenty of other threads where this has been and will continue to be debated. Keep this thread on topic- which is for SF1976 updates and discussion of them

[TheAnalyst]

I just don't think Iggy is that big of a product of what's around him as much as Marion was out in PHX. They both finish a lot of plays, but Iggy does a lot of ball handling himself. Even when Miller was here.

[LongLiveHinkie]

SF said they wanted a young center and they got one. Are they ok with Hawes as that guy?

It all depends on what the trade was made for. For Hawes? For Nocioni? To get rid of Sammy? Another reason?

Try to find out why they made the deal SF.

[Gsraider]

i will be asking about hawes..if he fits the build of a young big man you want...do you just go get a center to back up him? a vet one? for say green or kapono?

For me, this trade had to be about Hawes and if they don't think he can be their starter, it was kind of idiotic. Otherwise, why take on the extra years of Nocioni's deal? Granted, I think Nocioni could be of help off the bench, but I think the only reason Philly takes him is to get Hawes. If they view him as a reserve, I really don't get this trade at all. Now, if he winds up as a reserve because he isn't what they hoped for, at least I can live with that, but they had better have had higher hopes going in.

[sec-106]

i will be asking about hawes..if he fits the build of a young big man you want...do you just go get a center to back up him? a vet one? for say green or kapono?

i wouldnt trade thad for a vet center..but i wonder what you would try and get now for thad if your young center was already acquired.

unless you are moving speights......interesting..i will see what i can find out

They seem to now have a lot of options, which is nice considering where they sat before the lottery.

Thanks again for the info.

[the_process]

SF said they wanted a young center and they got one. Are they ok with Hawes as that guy?

It all depends on what the trade was made for. For Hawes? For Nocioni? To get rid of Sammy? Another reason?

Try to find out why they made the deal SF.

i think the answer to this is easy: it keeps them out of the luxury tax. they have effectively spread sammy's contract out over 2 years, costing them a shot at max cap room next year, but keeping them from paying the luxury tax this year. of course, they had to take a bad contract and a questionable prospect to do it. the other reason, basketball-wise, is that hawes will help to spread the floor so brand can play down in the low post.

[76ciology]

SF76,

Why weren't you able to get any info of this before it unfolds? You kept leading us to a Thad trade where we could land our future C that didn't happened.

[The Guilty Party]

SF76,

Why weren't you able to get any info of this before it unfolds? You kept leading us to a Thad trade where we could land our future C that didn't happened.

1- SF76 isn't Stefanski so it's not as though he knows everything.

2- He's already said that he didn't hear anything about this. He's never claimed to have all of the inside info nor has he claimed everything he hears happens. All he's ever claimed is that he has a friend on the inside who shares his info.

As Skates has said, I actually respect him more for coming out and saying he didn't know.

[ProcessDoctor]

Long term I love this trade. In 2 years, our expiring contracts will include Brand, Nocioni, and Lou Williams. Guess who is a free agent after two years? Dwight Howard. We could sign and trade Brand & Nocioni for Dwight's max contract. If a Thad + Williams for Jack, Bellineli, & #13 pick goes through, here's our team in 3 years:

Holiday/Jack
Turner/Bellineli
Iguodala/(FA)
Speights/#13/(FA)
Howard/Hawes

I'm assuming Young is not in our long term plans

[SouthJersey]

SF76,

Why weren't you able to get any info of this before it unfolds? You kept leading us to a Thad trade where we could land our future C that didn't happened.

What didnt happen? The Sixers did land their future center with this trade, but they didnt have to give up Thad. I wouldnt be too hard on him. He told you they wanted to aquire a Center and they did.

[Sixersftw]

[quote="tk76"][/quote]

Hey Tk not to mess with your "mod font" but is green an appropriate color? At first I was wondering what you could possibly be kidding about (green front), then I remembered you were a mod now. Maybe I'm just an A**Clown, also very likely.