Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[Wolves_Nation]

Hey guys, if the Sixers are the 3rd team involved, what wing on the Wolves are you interested in? If any?

[bebopdeluxe]

Of course, but I don't think the Miami pick comes with Bennett.

If we take $8-12 million in salary it might...

[sixers hoops]

Andrew Wiggins: "I want to play where I'm wanted."

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Without Noel, we don't have a realistic offer, and I don't know that Hinkie or wolves would make that swap.

Isn't there a way to include the rights to Saric, Wroten, the 2016 1st we got back from Orlando, 2 future 2nds, Thad, and cap space, and some how walk away with Wiggins?

Doesn't seem realistic to me.

[sixers hoops]

Hey guys, if the Sixers are the 3rd team involved, what wing on the Wolves are you interested in? If any?

Here's is analysis by one of our mods.
http://nba.derekbodner.com/2014/07/30/l ... e-partner/

[LloydFree]

Hey guys, if the Sixers are the 3rd team involved, what wing on the Wolves are you interested in? If any?

I'd prefer one of Cleveland's 1st round picks to any players being mentioned outside of Waiters. But being realistic I suppose Shabazz makes the most sense at this stage for the 76ers.

[KKell2507]

One thing to consider with this is the amount of cap space we can give Minnesota if they so choose. We can literally take every single player that isnt a part of their future off their hands right now.

Chase Budinger
Corey Brewer
Kevin Martin
JJ Barea
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Alexey Shved
Ronnie Turiaf

Thats $30 million in payroll that we could take from Minnesota right now and we'd STILL be under the cap. AND we'd be giving up our current best player. Remember the Jazz got 5 picks(two 1sts and 3 2nds) for taking on $24 million in salary last year.

Now we probably dont take all of that salary on and Minnesota probably doesnt want to part with half of their roster. However it is possible and I could certainly see Sam Hinkie taking on most of that salary IF the assets we get are worth it. We'd probably cut most of those players anyway, then try to pump and dump the stats of the rest of them.

Also for those who dont want Kevin Martin because of the length of his contract, you have to remember whats coming in 2 years. Those new TV deals which will drastically change the cap and salary figures for the entire NBA. Experts have said the Cap could jump up to close to $100 million in 2016 with the new TV deals, so having Kevin Martin at an expiring $7.4 million will be nothing then in comparison to what it would be now.

If we're getting involved as the 3rd team in this, I fully expect it to be more than just Thad Young for Anthony Bennett. There are plenty of players around the league of the caliber of Thaddeus Young, and they could find one cheaper than what it would cost to pry him away from the Sixers if they wanted. They want us for our cap space. And Minnesota is looking to shed plenty of salary. Since Im not the one writing the checks, I say bring on all of that salary. Get Bennett or Waiters or Lavine and A LOT of picks for doing it.

[bebopdeluxe]

One thing to consider with this is the amount of cap space we can give Minnesota if they so choose. We can literally take every single player that isnt a part of their future off their hands right now.

Chase Budinger
Corey Brewer
Kevin Martin
JJ Barea
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Alexey Shved
Ronnie Turiaf

Thats $30 million in payroll that we could take from Minnesota right now and we'd STILL be under the cap. AND we'd be giving up our current best player. Remember the Jazz got 5 picks(two 1sts and 3 2nds) for taking on $24 million in salary last year.

Now we probably dont take all of that salary on and Minnesota probably doesnt want to part with half of their roster. However it is possible and I could certainly see Sam Hinkie taking on most of that salary IF the assets we get are worth it. We'd probably cut most of those players anyway, then try to pump and dump the stats of the rest of them.

Also for those who dont want Kevin Martin because of the length of his contract, you have to remember whats coming in 2 years. Those new TV deals which will drastically change the cap and salary figures for the entire NBA. Experts have said the Cap could jump up to close to $100 million in 2016 with the new TV deals, so having Kevin Martin at an expiring $7.4 million will be nothing then in comparison to what it would be now.

If we're getting involved as the 3rd team in this, I fully expect it to be more than just Thad Young for Anthony Bennett. There are plenty of players around the league of the caliber of Thaddeus Young, and they could find one cheaper than what it would cost to pry him away from the Sixers if they wanted. They want us for our cap space. And Minnesota is looking to shed plenty of salary. Since Im not the one writing the checks, I say bring on all of that salary. Get Bennett or Waiters or Lavine and A LOT of picks for doing it.

LaVine is off-limits, I would think...as well as Dieng.

I am ALL ABOUT taking whatever salary Minnesota wants to unload, but we need to be realistic. Even if we give them TONS of room, letting them build around Rubio, LaVine, Wiggins, Dieng, Thad and Pek, it isn't like there is young, franchise-altering talent for them to spend the money on right now. Don't get me wrong - I think there could be a sweet spot where we could take on enough salary to get, say, the MIA #1 pick along with Bennett. But unless we take salary from them for after the 14-15 season (which, other than Martin, there really isn't), taking all of their 14-15 salary commitments doesn't really get them much.

[jpatrick]

Usually when a team gets large rewards for using space is when a team needs to move players to create space. In the Wolves situations, they don't need Philly financially to complete the Love trade. Wiggins/Bennett/#1 for Love works and is the most rumored deal.

The Wolves also wouldn't need help clearing future space because the only players they'd want to move are expiring contracts, ie Barea, Moute, and Shved. They have flat out said Brewer and Martin (through the beat writers) aren't being moved.

My best guess is that if Philly is involved, they'd get Barea (and maybe Shved and/or Moute) and the #1 from the Cavs OR they get Barea and Bennett. It would depend on how highly MN and Philly think of Bennett. I could also see Muhammad and Glen Robinson (still unsigned 2nd rd pick) being moved.

[Slacktard]

What exactly does Minnesota need cap space for right now anyway? They're not a FA destination. Utah got those picks out of GSW because GSW wanted to sign Iguodala RIGHT THEN and needed the room.

I'm sure that if it turned out Minnesota would like to get out of some long-term salary(like Kmart), but I'm not sure they see clearing a bunch of expirings for this upcoming season as a huge concern.

If the Sixers got Kevin Martin I'd hope that he'd be traded again later this year to a contender and we take a similar contract back of a more worthless player and get assets for it.

[LloydFree]

Usually when a team gets large rewards for using space is when a team needs to move players to create space. In the Wolves situations, they don't need Philly financially to complete the Love trade. Wiggins/Bennett/#1 for Love works and is the most rumored deal.

The Wolves also wouldn't need help clearing future space because the only players they'd want to move are expiring contracts, ie Barea, Moute, and Shved. They have flat out said Brewer and Martin (through the best writers) aren't being moved.

My best guess is that if Philly is involved, they'd get Barea (and maybe Shved and/or Moute) and the #1 from the Cavs OR they get Barea and Bennett. It would depend on how highly MN and Philly think of Bennett. I could also see Muhammad and Glen Robinson (still unsigned 2nd rd pick) being moved.

I agree. I don't see a big payoff coming in this potential deal. The Timberwolves (or Cavaliers) really don't need the 76ers to complete the deal and Minnesota doesn't have any really bad contracts that need to be moved. The 76ers will be fortunate to get something of value out of this, much less some of the ridiculous ransoms proposed.

[jpatrick]

What exactly does Minnesota need cap space for right now anyway? They're not a FA destination. Utah got those picks out of GSW because GSW wanted to sign Iguodala RIGHT THEN and needed the room.

I'm sure that if it turned out Minnesota would like to get out of some long-term salary(like Kmart), but I'm not sure they see clearing a bunch of expirings for this upcoming season as a huge concern.

If the Sixers got Kevin Martin I'd hope that he'd be traded again later this year to a contender and we take a similar contract back of a more worthless player and get assets for it.

MN doesn't need space now. It'd be more about simply moving some expiring contracts to free up roster spots. I think they already have 15 guaranteed contracts. If a deal isn't made, they'd probably buy out Barea.

[jpatrick]

nm

[LongLiveHinkie]

Usually when a team gets large rewards for using space is when a team needs to move players to create space. In the Wolves situations, they don't need Philly financially to complete the Love trade. Wiggins/Bennett/#1 for Love works and is the most rumored deal.

The Wolves also wouldn't need help clearing future space because the only players they'd want to move are expiring contracts, ie Barea, Moute, and Shved. They have flat out said Brewer and Martin (through the beat writers) aren't being moved.

My best guess is that if Philly is involved, they'd get Barea (and maybe Shved and/or Moute) and the #1 from the Cavs OR they get Barea and Bennett. It would depend on how highly MN and Philly think of Bennett. I could also see Muhammad and Glen Robinson (still unsigned 2nd rd pick) being moved.

I can tell you right now the Sixers aren't going to deal Thad for Barea and the Cavs #1 pick, which will be incredibly low. The Sixers passed up the chance to take on contracts like Jeremy Lin for a Houston 1st rounder, and also passed up a chance to get in on that Marcus Thornton trade for a pick. And that was only acquiring salary.

I think it is extremely improbable that Hinkie trades away a valuable player/piece like Thad and only gets back a pick in the low 20's in return and a player the Sixers would have no interest in, in Barea. Picks in the low 20's are virtually worthless at the NBA level, so that trade would essentially be Thad for Barea. Hinkie only does this deal unless he gets a quality pick back or a young player with potential a la Bennett or maybe a Shabazz or G Rob. If Saunders really wants Thad, he'll have to do that. If not, I think the Sixers sit this deal out, like they did the others.

[Moses_Doc_83]

Go big or go home.

Cleveland gets Shumpert, Love, and Dieng
Minnesota gets Noel, Waiters, Young, Philly 2015 1st, Miami 2015 1st
New York gets Barea and JRich
Philadelphia gets Amare, Bennett, and Wiggins

[AQuintus]

Andrew Wiggins: "I want to play where I'm wanted."

ANDREW PHILLY LOVES YOU COMMMMEEEEE HOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEE

Without Noel, we don't have a realistic offer, and I don't know that Hinkie or wolves would make that swap.

Even with Noel, I don't think you have a realistic offer. Minnesota seems to be dead set on getting Wiggins for Love, and they don't really need any more Cs.

Here's is analysis by one of our mods.
http://nba.derekbodner.com/2014/07/30/l ... e-partner/

I'd be surprised if Minny's own 1st was on the table, since a pick is already owed to Phoenix and I don't think Minny would want their picks tied up for so long. Dieng and LaVine are flat out not available.

Isn't there a way to include the rights to Saric, Wroten, the 2016 1st we got back from Orlando, 2 future 2nds, Thad, and cap space, and some how walk away with Wiggins?

No.

[Unbreakable99]

Just out of curiosity does anyone think if Cleveland drafted Embiid that they would have traded him to Minnesota for Love? You would think LeBron would love to have a big presence once Embiid healed. Irving LeBron and Embiid would be a nightmare. So does Cleveland trade Embiid for Love or just stand pat?

[freezito_74]

No the Sixers aren't needed too make this deal but however I doubt the Sixers just hand Thad over for nothing

[snoopdogg88]

Just out of curiosity does anyone think if Cleveland drafted Embiid that they would have traded him to Minnesota for Love? You would think LeBron would love to have a big presence once Embiid healed. Irving LeBron and Embiid would be a nightmare. So does Cleveland trade Embiid for Love or just stand pat?

i don't think Minnesota makes the trade. Cleveland makes that trade without question. Embiid is a huge injury risk.

It's an easier call than Wiggins for Cleveland

[Northern hoops]

You guys realize you have to get up to 56 million to meet the minimum cap right?
Martin Barea (expiring) Mbah a Moute (Expiring) and Shved (expiring) is about 20 million with only about 7 on the books next year. Gives you shooting in Martin, a leader for Embiid in Mbah, and a couple streaky shooting guards.
We'd probably throw in a couple seconds, but why would they Wolves give up a first for a one year rental of Young?
He'll I'd even give you Shabazz

[sixers hoops]

You guys realize you have to get up to 56 million to meet the minimum cap right?
Martin Barea (expiring) Mbah a Moute (Expiring) and Shved (expiring) is about 20 million with only about 7 on the books next year. Gives you shooting in Martin, a leader for Embiid in Mbah, and a couple streaky shooting guards.
We'd probably throw in a couple seconds, but why would they Wolves give up a first for a one year rental of Young?
He'll I'd even give you Shabazz

There's no penalty for not getting to the minimum.