2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Kobblehead]

Jawun Evans vs. UNC tonight at 10:30pm on ESPN2.

[ProcessDoctor]

DSJ's playing style reminds me of CP3. I'm not saying he's as good of a prospect, but in terms of how fluid he is and how he handles the ball they are very similar. That being said, I'd still prefer Ball, Jackson, and Fultz over him atm. Depending on what we can get in an Okafor or Noel trade will further determine who's the best fit.

[Syracuse 76ers]

Give me Juwan Evans from OSU with the Lakers pick. Holy hell is he something else

[Syracuse 76ers]

Evans is unreal. Gimme Evans BC ASAP

[dkj5061]

I love fultz and am praying we get the number 1 pick somehow (I'm looking at you Sacramento ), but I'm getting more and more comfortable with the prospects in the 5-9 range (in case somehow all of us, the Kings, and the Lakers are mediocre and not horrible). Especially guys like Frank Ntilikina and Jonathan Isaac. Heck, I'm even coming around on Lonzo Ball. I thought his jumper would prove to be broken as time went on, but I can't knock it if it keeps going in.

Maybe they won't be transcendent talents like the first 4 picks of the draft, but I think a lot of these guys could end up in the Brandon Ingram/Kriss Dunn tier of prospects. Thank god for a draft that is looking so so deep.

[kriss73]

Malik Monk is our guy

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[sixerswillrule]

Heck, I'm even coming around on Lonzo Ball. I thought his jumper would prove to be broken as time went on, but I can't knock it if it keeps going in.

His form reminds me of Kevin Martin.

[eagereyez]

Malik Monk is our guy

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Would be nice to take him with the LA pick and pair him with Fultz/Ball/Jackson.

[GimmeDat]

I feel like Fultz or Smith Jr. have to be the guy you get this draft.

Fultz and Smith Jr., as well as being dynamic on-ball scorers and facilitators, have the ability to make an impact off the ball. Smith Jr. is somewhat limited because of his size, but he's still a strong shooter.

Jackson is fine, and if the aforementioned 2 are off the board, this would be my pick, but at the end of the day he's an iffy shooter with poor form. He's elite at basically everything else, but it'll mean you really need to get elite shooters at the 1 and 3.

Ball fits the PG hole, and I love how he's playing, but he's not a good fit with Simmons. They're both play-makers first and scorers 2nd, and both like to make 'the play' with the ball in their hands. Yes, Ball has the athleticism to be a factor off ball, and maybe his jumper proves to be okay despite the form, but he's just far from ideal.

Tatum isn't a good fit both skill-set and position wise with Simmons. If he's BPA, sure, but I don't think he's a good fit with the core.

The chances are high you'll land Fultz/DSJ, so it shouldn't be a problem. If they're both gone I'd take Jackson. But if all 3 are gone for whatever reason, I would explore trading the pick, IF the return is strong. If not, then take BPA and it turns in to a Okafor situation imo.

[Negrodamus]

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Without Briscoe playing, Monk got more FaceTime with the ball in his hands and looked freakish.

He glides down the court and showed off some of his passing ability along with capability of hitting NBA threes. I think Embiid and Simmons would love to play with this kid.

[cksdayoff]

monk put some english into that pass off the backboard for the alley-oop. nice

[Kolkmania]

Malik Monk will put some fine stats on the box score, some great highlight dunks and hot streaks behind the arch. However, he's a 6'2'' scorer, that makes him quite limited in the NBA. Without huge improvements in the playmaking and defense department, he's not worth a top 10 pick in my opinion.

[Kolkmania]

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Didn't even break a sweat.

[Negrodamus]

Malik Monk will put some fine stats on the box score, some great highlight dunks and hot streaks behind the arch. However, he's a 6'2'' scorer, that makes him quite limited in the NBA. Without huge improvements in the playmaking and defense department, he's not worth a top 10 pick in my opinion.

Fultz and Monk have nearly identical DBPM. Fultz is also the man ball handler on offense while Monk is third.

Additionally, aren't we going to have a 6'11 primary ball handler known for his passing. Isn't Monk the type of player we've want to match with him?

[cksdayoff]

Malik Monk will put some fine stats on the box score, some great highlight dunks and hot streaks behind the arch. However, he's a 6'2'' scorer, that makes him quite limited in the NBA. Without huge improvements in the playmaking and defense department, he's not worth a top 10 pick in my opinion.

Fultz and Monk have nearly identical DBPM. Fultz is also the man ball handler on offense while Monk is third.

Additionally, aren't we going to have a 6'11 primary ball handler known for his passing. Isn't Monk the type of player we've want to match with him?

why not get both

[Kolkmania]

Malik Monk will put some fine stats on the box score, some great highlight dunks and hot streaks behind the arch. However, he's a 6'2'' scorer, that makes him quite limited in the NBA. Without huge improvements in the playmaking and defense department, he's not worth a top 10 pick in my opinion.

Fultz and Monk have nearly identical DBPM. Fultz is also the man ball handler on offense while Monk is third.

Additionally, aren't we going to have a 6'11 primary ball handler known for his passing. Isn't Monk the type of player we've want to match with him?

I'm not talking fit, just BPA based on my opinion.

DBPM (any defensive all-in-one stat) isn't really useful after 5 college games with 20+ point differential wins, not saying that Fultz is a great defender either. Malik Monk isn't the primary ball handler for a reason, he's got scoring first instincts and relatively poor vision and passing skills. He's a great leaper but not very shifty with the ball in his hands. So he's mainly scoring from catch and shoot, attacking the closeout or in transition situations. If you translate that to NBA level, combined with his PG body I think he'll struggle to create good looks by himself.

Defensively he'll probably have to guard the opponents PG, he's not known for his consistent effort and lateral quickness to become a lockdown defender. But he's young so that's why I said we'll see how he improves his defense.

So we're talking about a 6'2 SG without extremely crafty skills and probably an average defender. What's the last player in the NBA that fits the same profile and is a consistent positive contributor to the team? If I have to make a comparison right now, it'll be a Lou Williams with better athleticism.

Sure he'll be a decent fit with Simmons. But are we really going to reach for an undersized scoring guard since he's a good fit with a roster that will see major changes in the nearby future?

[Negrodamus]

Malik Monk will put some fine stats on the box score, some great highlight dunks and hot streaks behind the arch. However, he's a 6'2'' scorer, that makes him quite limited in the NBA. Without huge improvements in the playmaking and defense department, he's not worth a top 10 pick in my opinion.

Fultz and Monk have nearly identical DBPM. Fultz is also the man ball handler on offense while Monk is third.

Additionally, aren't we going to have a 6'11 primary ball handler known for his passing. Isn't Monk the type of player we've want to match with him?

I'm not talking fit, just BPA based on my opinion.

DBPM (any defensive all-in-one stat) isn't really useful after 5 college games with 20+ point differential wins, not saying that Fultz is a great defender either. Malik Monk isn't the primary ball handler for a reason, he's got scoring first instincts and relatively poor vision and passing skills. He's a great leaper but not very shifty with the ball in his hands. So he's mainly scoring from catch and shoot, attacking the closeout or in transition situations. If you translate that to NBA level, combined with his PG body I think he'll struggle to create good looks by himself.

Defensively he'll probably have to guard the opponents PG, he's not known for his consistent effort and lateral quickness to become a lockdown defender. But he's young so that's why I said we'll see how he improves his defense.

So we're talking about a 6'2 SG without extremely crafty skills and probably an average defender. What's the last player in the NBA that fits the same profile and is a consistent positive contributor to the team? If I have to make a comparison right now, it'll be a Lou Williams with better athleticism.

Sure he'll be a decent fit with Simmons. But are we really going to reach for an undersized scoring guard since he's a good fit with a roster that will see major changes in the nearby future?

Well at least you can acknowledge that we don't know the full story with Monk in this early season.

Lou Williams? Wasn't Lou essentially a very poor mans Iverson out of HS? Didn't he need the ball in his hands to be effective in HS and early on in his career? If anything, wouldn't Fultz, with his equally poor defense and ball dominant demeanor be a better comparison of Lou Williams if we're cornering these prospects to off the bench role players?

[Kolkmania]

Fultz and Monk have nearly identical DBPM. Fultz is also the man ball handler on offense while Monk is third.

Additionally, aren't we going to have a 6'11 primary ball handler known for his passing. Isn't Monk the type of player we've want to match with him?

I'm not talking fit, just BPA based on my opinion.

DBPM (any defensive all-in-one stat) isn't really useful after 5 college games with 20+ point differential wins, not saying that Fultz is a great defender either. Malik Monk isn't the primary ball handler for a reason, he's got scoring first instincts and relatively poor vision and passing skills. He's a great leaper but not very shifty with the ball in his hands. So he's mainly scoring from catch and shoot, attacking the closeout or in transition situations. If you translate that to NBA level, combined with his PG body I think he'll struggle to create good looks by himself.

Defensively he'll probably have to guard the opponents PG, he's not known for his consistent effort and lateral quickness to become a lockdown defender. But he's young so that's why I said we'll see how he improves his defense.

So we're talking about a 6'2 SG without extremely crafty skills and probably an average defender. What's the last player in the NBA that fits the same profile and is a consistent positive contributor to the team? If I have to make a comparison right now, it'll be a Lou Williams with better athleticism.

Sure he'll be a decent fit with Simmons. But are we really going to reach for an undersized scoring guard since he's a good fit with a roster that will see major changes in the nearby future?

Well at least you can acknowledge that we don't know the full story with Monk in this early season.

Lou Williams? Wasn't Lou essentially a very poor mans Iverson out of HS? Didn't he need the ball in his hands to be effective in HS and early on in his career? If anything, wouldn't Fultz, with his equally poor defense and ball dominant demeanor be a better comparison of Lou Williams if we're cornering these prospects to off the bench role players?

Haven't seen Lou Williams playing before the NBA, he came right out of HS right? I tried to find a comparison of a shooting guard in a point guard body in the NBA right now, thought about Canaan, but that would be really harsh.

And of course, these guys are incredible young so I made a note that if they develop certain aspects I would change my opinion.

Not sure why Markelle is a better comparison. Kid is 6'4 and has a 6'9 wingspan, more comfortable at running the offense, has shiftiness, creative around the basket and looks extremely smooth with the ball in his hands. I'm not cornering anybody to off the bench role players, it's just that shooting guards in a point guard body tend to have a hard time consistently contributing in the NBA.

[Kobblehead]

Josh Hart and Mikal Bridges both look like legit NBA players.

[Unbreakable99]

Josh Hart and Mikal Bridges both look like legit NBA players.

Where would you draft Hart? What NBA comp would you have for him?