Welcome Tobias Harris

[BullyKing]

You know the MLE won't be enough for Beverley. It's going to take something more like 4-46. And I am assuming Ennis accepts his PO.

I'm just not worried about those guys you mentioned. They are all replaceable. I agree it would be better to have the MLE than not; but if they max both Jimmy and Tobias they will only be working with the taxpayer MLE anyway, which isn't a ton more than the room exception.

I might be wrong but I don't see why the Sixers wouldn't have access to the full mid-level exception as they'd be comfortably under the apron by releasing Jonathon Simmons while keeping the cap holds for Butler, Harris, Redick, Scott, and Ennis. They can create even more space by resigning Redick for less than his $15 million cap hold.

I see no reason why Ennis is opting in for 1.6 million after the playoffs he just had.

I think your 4-46 for Beverley is probably in the right range. The full MLE would 4-40 so its not crazy to think he would be open to a small discount depending on what else is out there.

Just as an example: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=11884531675cd98ca491f97308543048

In your example, they are only 5.2M away from the apron with only 10 guys under contract. And yeah, they can sign 3 vet min guys to hit the minimum number of rostered players, but it leaves them no wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days.

Well its twelve guys under contract because of the two caps hold so that leaves 5.2 million to fill 3 roster spots. And I'm ok with having little wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days if that's the price of having Embiid/Simmons/Butler/Harris/Beverley/Redick/Scott/Ennis/Smith/Bolden/our 1st/early 2nd/early 2nd

And obviously there are more variables that could help us like Redick doing us a big solid on salary for a year. To me, the only tough question in the whole scenario is the ability to convince Beverley to take the MLE. If that happens, everything sort of falls into place.

We can also provide another $333,333 in breathing room by just paying someone to take the hit on Simmons $1 million (which we're both currently assuming is stretched).

[the_process]

I might be wrong but I don't see why the Sixers wouldn't have access to the full mid-level exception as they'd be comfortably under the apron by releasing Jonathon Simmons while keeping the cap holds for Butler, Harris, Redick, Scott, and Ennis. They can create even more space by resigning Redick for less than his $15 million cap hold.

I see no reason why Ennis is opting in for 1.6 million after the playoffs he just had.

I think your 4-46 for Beverley is probably in the right range. The full MLE would 4-40 so its not crazy to think he would be open to a small discount depending on what else is out there.

Just as an example: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=11884531675cd98ca491f97308543048

In your example, they are only 5.2M away from the apron with only 10 guys under contract. And yeah, they can sign 3 vet min guys to hit the minimum number of rostered players, but it leaves them no wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days.

Well its twelve guys under contract because of the two caps hold so that leaves 5.2 million to fill 3 roster spots. And I'm ok with having little wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days if that's the price of having Embiid/Simmons/Butler/Harris/Beverley/Redick/Scott/Ennis/Smith/Bolden/our 1st/early 2nd/early 2nd

And obviously there are more variables that could help us like Redick doing us a big solid on salary for a year. To me, the only tough question in the whole scenario is the ability to convince Beverley to take the MLE. If that happens, everything sort of falls into place.

We can also provide another $333,333 in breathing room by just paying someone to take the hit on Simmons $1 million (which we're both currently assuming is stretched).

When I click on your link, it doesn't show any cap holds other than the empty roster spot placeholders; so it appears that you renounced them and didn't realize it.

Agreed they could pay someone to take J.Simmons. Your proposal of paying CHI 1.2M to take him into cap space I saw on the other board is a good idea. Reinsdorf loves free cash.

Ultimately, this offseason is going to take creativity from Brand on a Moreyian level if he plans on maxing Tobias and Jimmy and still adding to them and Ben and Jo. We'll see if he's up to it.

[BullyKing]

In your example, they are only 5.2M away from the apron with only 10 guys under contract. And yeah, they can sign 3 vet min guys to hit the minimum number of rostered players, but it leaves them no wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days.

Well its twelve guys under contract because of the two caps hold so that leaves 5.2 million to fill 3 roster spots. And I'm ok with having little wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days if that's the price of having Embiid/Simmons/Butler/Harris/Beverley/Redick/Scott/Ennis/Smith/Bolden/our 1st/early 2nd/early 2nd

And obviously there are more variables that could help us like Redick doing us a big solid on salary for a year. To me, the only tough question in the whole scenario is the ability to convince Beverley to take the MLE. If that happens, everything sort of falls into place.

We can also provide another $333,333 in breathing room by just paying someone to take the hit on Simmons $1 million (which we're both currently assuming is stretched).

When I click on your link, it doesn't show any cap holds; so it appears that you renounced them all and didn't realize it.

Agreed they could pay someone to take J.Simmons. Your proposal of paying CHI 1.2M to take him into cap space I saw on the other board is a good idea. Reinsdorf loves free cash.

Ultimately, this offseason is going to take creativity from Brand on a Moreyian level if he plans on maxing Tobias and Jimmy and still adding to them and Ben and Jo. We'll see if he's up to it.

Sorry, I meant cap holds as in minimum roster spot cap holds. We're being hit with two in the link I posted, which is what takes us from 10 to 12 players "under contract".

And I think its reasonable to have apprehension about Brand's ability to navigate an admittedly difficult path.

[76ciology]

I think Tobias is either gone, we get a good deal with him or he signs for a short contract where he is FA when he’s 28-29

[the_process]

Just noticed something on Capulator. If you have Jimmy opt in to his PO, then resign who you want, then renounce everyone else and open cap room; it then gives you the ability to renegotiate Jimmy's contract. Meaning you can use any remaining cap room to bump Jimmy's deal up.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=13822342555cd9ae3d10c11805053207

[Arsenal]

I really don't want to as it's about a $10M/yr overpayment, but we HAVE to MAX out Harris. There is too much cap out there and he'll get it somewhere else if we don't give it to him.

[ProcessDoctor]

The most I would give him is 5-year, $150 mil.

The most he can get from anyone else is 4-year, $139 mil.

[FlyingArrow]

The most I would give him is 5-year, $150 mil.

The most he can get from anyone else is 4-year, $139 mil.

We might not be his first choice. Offering less than the max might be enough to convince him to sign elsewhere. We don't have a better use for the cap space.

[Kobblehead]

He's still the most logical choice on our roster to be a #2 or #3 option to flank Embiid.

Him being marginally impactful and looking lost at times as a 4th option doesn't change that.

[youngcrev]

Just noticed something on Capulator. If you have Jimmy opt in to his PO, then resign who you want, then renounce everyone else and open cap room; it then gives you the ability to renegotiate Jimmy's contract. Meaning you can use any remaining cap room to bump Jimmy's deal up.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=13822342555cd9ae3d10c11805053207

Why would he do that and how is that helpful? If renegotiating requires cap space, wouldn't you effectively be using up the exact same amount

[youngcrev]

A maxed out Harris is clearly a bad contract. But he's still likely the best option they'll have available to them (though they should explore that), and gives them the ability to add more by using cap holds and the MLE.

So the question becomes, does bringing him back put you in the hunt for a championship with some internal growth from Jo and Ben, and added chemistry of having an off-season together? To me, that feels like a clear yes. In which case, I can live with an overpay if it puts them over the top, just like I could live with the overpay to get him in the first place.

[76ciology]

Unless some top tier FA shows interests in joining us, i see us re-signing Tobias.

I was thinking about if we need him and if there are cheap alternative for Tobias.

But when I think of it, I feel Tobias has room for improvement and fits our team.

He’s an excellent floor spacer for our starting unit. Rotates and rebounds well on defense. And he can run PnR when he plays without our top guys.

[76ciology]

Did tobi have an exit interview? Seen nothing

[XDevilBoiX]

Did tobi have an exit interview? Seen nothing

https://www.nba.com/sixers/video/teams/sixers/2019/05/13/2605992/1557775041534-program-clean-20190513-141450-2605992

[Bum Adebayo]

He's still the most logical choice on our roster to be a #2 or #3 option to flank Embiid.

Him being marginally impactful and looking lost at times as a 4th option doesn't change that.

Yes but he hasn't proven to be able to carry dat scoring load, against Raptors he was very disappointing.

[SixthStreet]

This was, I believe, Harris' first playoff appearance. I think he will grow from it, understand that he needs to be a more decisive decision maker when he's going downhill with the ball. I thought he was starting to adjust the last 3 games of the Raptors series.

He's going to be good for us next year. Just hoping we can get him for a little discount. I don't think our first offer should be the 5 year max.

[mithrandir17]

Would you consider a sign and trade with Harris and Conley? Conley has 32M salary next season and another 34.5M ETO after that. So basically 5 year max of Harris versus 2 year max of Conley. Conley is already 31 years old while Harris is only 26.

[SixthStreet]

Conley is definitely a better player and fit, but no. He's not good enough to advance the odds of a championship to a degree that I'm willing to get that much older. Then in two years we won't have any cap room anyways and replacing Conley will be difficult/impossible.

If you don't win a title in the next 2 years with Conley it would be an absolute disaster of a trade.

[76ciology]

Please no point guards. Only guys who dont know basketball want point guard for this team.

Our biggest advantage is our size. If you’ll add a point guard that needs a big role, you might as well trade Ben simmons.

[76ciology]

Reading between the lines.

“..i played at an allstar level when I’m in LA..”

Then he throws the “importance of stability” away after emphasizing that he wants more stability after playing for different teams.

“..style of play and coaching” two things he mentioned to be important after money.

From his exit interview he sounded like a player who isn't pleased with his performance with the sixers. Well he struggled in round 2. Either looking to improve or looking to play for a different environment that can bring out the best in him.