Horford to OKC For Green

[Arsenal]

Still no word on this. Two options:

1) OKC uses the Steven Adams TPE to acquire Horford, no changes needed to deal.

2) OKC adds at least $3M salary to Green and Ferg to make the deal legal. I assume Morey will want compensation like picks or to get George Hill instead of Ferguson.

[76ciology]

Do you guys the Rockets would agree for a Eric Gordon and 2023 1st round pick for Danny Green?

Not saying I would but I think they would.

Gordon has 4 more years remaining on his contract, expires in 2024.

This exercise shows you why I think we won this trade.

We even got Ferguson’s 4M expiring contract and a 8m trade exemption.

[HartfordWhalers]

Do you guys the Rockets would agree for a Eric Gordon and 2023 1st round pick for Danny Green?

Not saying I would but I think they would.

Gordon has 4 more years remaining on his contract, expires in 2024.

This exercise shows you why I think we won this trade.

We even got Ferguson’s 4M expiring contract and a 8m trade exemption.

Gordon has only 3 years gtd.

Ferguson is a negative. Take a look a him. He is absolutely not worth a 1 year 4m contract right now.

[ankle420breaker]

Do you guys the Rockets would agree for a Eric Gordon and 2023 1st round pick for Danny Green?

Not saying I would but I think they would.

Gordon has 4 more years remaining on his contract, expires in 2024.

This exercise shows you why I think we won this trade.

We even got Ferguson’s 4M expiring contract and a 8m trade exemption.

Currently not interested. Check back mid-season.

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[BullyKing]

Do you guys the Rockets would agree for a Eric Gordon and 2023 1st round pick for Danny Green?

Not saying I would but I think they would.

Gordon has 4 more years remaining on his contract, expires in 2024.

This exercise shows you why I think we won this trade.

We even got Ferguson’s 4M expiring contract and a 8m trade exemption.

Gordon has only 3 years gtd.

Ferguson is a negative. Take a look a him. He is absolutely not worth a 1 year 4m contract right now.

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

[HartfordWhalers]

Do you guys the Rockets would agree for a Eric Gordon and 2023 1st round pick for Danny Green?

Not saying I would but I think they would.

Gordon has 4 more years remaining on his contract, expires in 2024.

This exercise shows you why I think we won this trade.

We even got Ferguson’s 4M expiring contract and a 8m trade exemption.

Gordon has only 3 years gtd.

Ferguson is a negative. Take a look a him. He is absolutely not worth a 1 year 4m contract right now.

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

[76ciology]

Gordon has only 3 years gtd.

Ferguson is a negative. Take a look a him. He is absolutely not worth a 1 year 4m contract right now.

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

I dont see how Ferguson is a negative when he’s can knock down 3s, is a decent defender, a starter on a 6th seed OKC team in 2019-2020, just 22 yo and have a 4M expiring contract.

I can easily put him in a package to absorb a contract like Satoransky or Thad and either get me a future 2nd round pick or a usable player.

If I need a roster spot, then i’ll just cut him just as what Pistons did with Zhaire.

For the owner a TPE is more valuable because i think it gets you 4M savings on your payroll (i could be mistaken), but if you are in asset accumulation mode like what I think Morey is doing, then he’s a positive.

For the Sixers and for most teams, he’s clearly a positive asset because he can free up 4M of cap space for your team next season.

[BullyKing]

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

I dont see how Ferguson is a negative when he’s can knock down 3s, is a decent defender, a starter on a 6th seed OKC team in 2019-2020, just 22 yo and have a 4M expiring contract.

I can easily put him in a package to absorb a contract like Satoransky or Thad and either get me a future 2nd round pick or a usable player.

If I need a roster spot, then i’ll just cut him just as what Pistons did with Zhaire.

For the owner a TPE is more valuable because i think it gets you 4M savings on your payroll (i could be mistaken), but if you are in asset accumulation mode like what I think Morey is doing, then he’s a positive.

For the Sixers and for most teams, he’s clearly a positive asset because he can free up 4M of cap space for your team next season.

How is "freeing up 4M of cap space for your team next season" more valuable than never having that 4m on your books at all. One opens up 4M of cap space (not really, we're still over the cap but let's go with it) next year while the other opens it up both this year and next year.

And whether having Ferguson's salary is more beneficial because you can aggregate it in a trade with other salaries, we can't really tell that under we see what, if anything, they do with it.

[BullyKing]

Gordon has only 3 years gtd.

Ferguson is a negative. Take a look a him. He is absolutely not worth a 1 year 4m contract right now.

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

I guess but it's sort of weird for OKC to think that. Ferguson was sort of ok two years ago and given where they are in their timeline it makes sense to see which Ferguson is real. And their salary commitments are actually extremely low once you ignore the TPEs.

[M2J]

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

I dont see how Ferguson is a negative when he’s can knock down 3s, is a decent defender, a starter on a 6th seed OKC team in 2019-2020, just 22 yo and have a 4M expiring contract.

I can easily put him in a package to absorb a contract like Satoransky or Thad and either get me a future 2nd round pick or a usable player.

If I need a roster spot, then i’ll just cut him just as what Pistons did with Zhaire.

For the owner a TPE is more valuable because i think it gets you 4M savings on your payroll (i could be mistaken), but if you are in asset accumulation mode like what I think Morey is doing, then he’s a positive.

For the Sixers and for most teams, he’s clearly a positive asset because he can free up 4M of cap space for your team next season.

I don't think Ferguson's value is done at all. Like I said before, he can play. I really watched him his first 2 years. Good defender, and can shoot and run. Started the beginning of last season too, but was inconsistent and lost his role to Dort. He had a child custody situation that distracted him too.

I have hope getting traded is a wake up call. But the guy is definitely playable.

[Monix]

wouldn't be surprised at all if Ferguson gets cut/waived before the season starts

looks like 4 guys for 2 spots - Ferguson, Anderson, Broekhoff, Walton

[youngcrev]

wouldn't be surprised at all if Ferguson gets cut/waived before the season starts

looks like 4 guys for 2 spots - Ferguson, Anderson, Broekhoff, Walton

I would, if only due to contract reasons.

[76ciology]

I could be wrong but the guys to be cut should be Anderson and Walton.

You can use ferguson as a trade asset or a salary filler by the deadline then Broekhoff is your back up once mike scott gets injured or is having a slump.

[Sixersftw]

I could be wrong but the guys to be cut should be Anderson and Walton.

You can use ferguson as a trade asset or a salary filler by the deadline then Broekhoff is your back up once mike scott gets injured or is having a slump.

Isn't Simba partially guaranteed? That coupled with his friendship w/ Jo, I'm assuming Ferguson and Anderson make the cut.

[Sixerscan]

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

I guess but it's sort of weird for OKC to think that. Ferguson was sort of ok two years ago and given where they are in their timeline it makes sense to see which Ferguson is real. And their salary commitments are actually extremely low once you ignore the TPEs.

They had so much in the air it was probably worth it for them just to get off his salary and not get caught in a situation where he was on the books and they had no playing time for him. Best case is he’s a good role player and then they would have to pay him, probably not worth it for where are at.

[HartfordWhalers]

I would cut Tony Wroten if he gets signed.

[TTP]

I think his point is more that Ferguson's contract is helpful as salary ballast, presumably because he can be combined with other players unlike the TPE. I'm not convinced that's more valuable than a bigger TPE though because he takes up a roster spot, makes it harder to duck the tax this year, and you only have until the trade deadline to use him whereas the TPE extends into next season. So on the whole, I'd rather OKC just keep him if they're going to take Horford into the Adams TPE any way.

I have dumping Ferguson as part of the value OKC extracted. He is a negative so asking not to take him would cost more

I dont see how Ferguson is a negative when he’s can knock down 3s, is a decent defender, a starter on a 6th seed OKC team in 2019-2020, just 22 yo and have a 4M expiring contract.

I can easily put him in a package to absorb a contract like Satoransky or Thad and either get me a future 2nd round pick or a usable player.

If I need a roster spot, then i’ll just cut him just as what Pistons did with Zhaire.

For the owner a TPE is more valuable because i think it gets you 4M savings on your payroll (i could be mistaken), but if you are in asset accumulation mode like what I think Morey is doing, then he’s a positive.

For the Sixers and for most teams, he’s clearly a positive asset because he can free up 4M of cap space for your team next season.

There's a lot wrong with this post, but you're especially going to need to clarify the bolded. Morey just spent 2 current high 2nds and 1 future 1st on current players and long-term salary relief. He's had 0 incoming future picks. He's pretty much doing the opposite of "asset accumulation mode" (as he should be when we're trying to compete).

[51X3RF4N]

So, assuming Poirier is added to the deal, as some speculative reports are suggesting...

That would mean 20 camp bodies. Which is i think the point.

Maxey
Milton
Curry
Walton- gets cut likely

Green
Thybulle
Joe
Korkmaz
Anderson
Ferguson
Broekhoff- gets cut likely
Mathias- 2 way

Simmons
Harris
Scott
Reed- 2 way
Embiid
Howard
Bradley
Poirier

Walton and Broekhoff are likely not making the team. And nobody will trade for them most likely. So they get cut and you're down to 18. Take the 2 way contracts away and you're down to 16, but I would bet they want to be at 14 so they can sign Reed to a full contract if they see him improve. Plus 14 is flexible.

Assuming Anderson is making the team due to Joel.

And assuming we aren't locked into Bradley being here long term.

What's left?

$3.5M Bradley
$2.6M Poirier
$3.9M Ferguson
$5.0M Scott

2 roster spots for these 4.

Add in an $8M trade exception and you can now bring back $23M in salary correct?

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[Sixerscan]

Add in an $8M trade exception and you can now bring back $23M in salary correct?

Trade exceptions can’t be combined with anything.

[Sportfan73]

If you think Anderson is getting cut you are once again playing 2k and insane