That's the measuring stick. At minimum, he's probably an upgrade from Scott.elchengue20 wrote:I guess he can still be better than Mike Scott.
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That's the measuring stick. At minimum, he's probably an upgrade from Scott.elchengue20 wrote:I guess he can still be better than Mike Scott.
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Coincidentally also the first season they're in first the latest part of the season and most of the year as well.76ciology wrote:If you think about it, we have the least exciting roster moves this season. Maybe since we started drafting lottery picks in 2013.
Good but not spectacular draft.
Meh trades.
Meh signing.
But yeah, it’s better than creating mistakes like having a high payroll that wont allow us to sign a player of Anthony Tolliver’s caliber.
zaz102 wrote:Coincidentally also the first season they're in first the latest part of the season and most of the year as well.76ciology wrote:If you think about it, we have the least exciting roster moves this season. Maybe since we started drafting lottery picks in 2013.
Good but not spectacular draft.
Meh trades.
Meh signing.
But yeah, it’s better than creating mistakes like having a high payroll that wont allow us to sign a player of Anthony Tolliver’s caliber.
I do think you're underestimating the GM moves a bit. They were good from the jump with virtually no offseason/prep.76ciology wrote:zaz102 wrote:Coincidentally also the first season they're in first the latest part of the season and most of the year as well.76ciology wrote:If you think about it, we have the least exciting roster moves this season. Maybe since we started drafting lottery picks in 2013.
Good but not spectacular draft.
Meh trades.
Meh signing.
But yeah, it’s better than creating mistakes like having a high payroll that wont allow us to sign a player of Anthony Tolliver’s caliber.
Yup, shows us how big doc’s coaching and the jump on Biid and Tobi’s games are.
Dont get me wrong. The roster also played a part. But for me Doc’s coaching and Biid and Tobi’s development plays way bigger part on our current success.
Biid’s development with his jumper is huge. He is the most unstoppable player for me.
zaz102 wrote:I do think you're underestimating the GM moves a bit. They were good from the jump with virtually no offseason/prep.76ciology wrote:zaz102 wrote:Coincidentally also the first season they're in first the latest part of the season and most of the year as well.
Yup, shows us how big doc’s coaching and the jump on Biid and Tobi’s games are.
Dont get me wrong. The roster also played a part. But for me Doc’s coaching and Biid and Tobi’s development plays way bigger part on our current success.
Biid’s development with his jumper is huge. He is the most unstoppable player for me.
On top of that, all of their contacts are valuable. Only one that is a bad contract is Scott who is a free agent. They can focus on making moves to improve rather than unload terrible fits/bad contracts.
It's more impressive they're in first place and didn't make a sexy move. I expect in the next year they'll make a move ranging between Lowry and Harden that will be adding to a virtually first place team.
Don't want to take anything from Doc though. He's been great and am excited to see what they come up for roster construction and with time to prepare.
Unlikely, but who knows, maybe a new voice in Doc can get Simmons to improve on offense.
Fair enough. I guess i just see it as inevitable considering they were in on the two biggest names this year and they essentially got movable players with good contracts.76ciology wrote:zaz102 wrote:I do think you're underestimating the GM moves a bit. They were good from the jump with virtually no offseason/prep.76ciology wrote:
Yup, shows us how big doc’s coaching and the jump on Biid and Tobi’s games are.
Dont get me wrong. The roster also played a part. But for me Doc’s coaching and Biid and Tobi’s development plays way bigger part on our current success.
Biid’s development with his jumper is huge. He is the most unstoppable player for me.
On top of that, all of their contacts are valuable. Only one that is a bad contract is Scott who is a free agent. They can focus on making moves to improve rather than unload terrible fits/bad contracts.
It's more impressive they're in first place and didn't make a sexy move. I expect in the next year they'll make a move ranging between Lowry and Harden that will be adding to a virtually first place team.
Don't want to take anything from Doc though. He's been great and am excited to see what they come up for roster construction and with time to prepare.
Unlikely, but who knows, maybe a new voice in Doc can get Simmons to improve on offense.
Me too.
Until then, i’ll call a spade a spade.
It’s been meh compared to the quantum leap in Doc’s coaching, Biid’s jumper and 50-40-90 Tobias.
Yeah, no doubt even the best coach couldn't turn last years terrible roster construction into anything good. That's for sure.Sixerscan wrote:Joel’s improved season is clearly due to, in part, not playing with another center.
Tobias’s improved season is clearly due to, in part, not playing so much 3 with two centers on the court.
Both of their improved seasons are clearly due to, in part, having more shooting around them.
The Sixers being in first place in the east this year despite Joel only playing 44% of available minutes (compared to 43% last year) is clearly due to, in part, coming up with somewhat acceptable alternatives at center despite dedicating minimal resources to that spot.
Just calling a spade a spade.
I'll agree to disagree and go with the simpler possibility.76ciology wrote:Embiid wasnt shooting this well and Tobias was struggling so bad when Al and Ben weren’t clogging the paint for him IN THE BUBBLE.
And again, we could just let Al play off the bench like how we started Shake in Al’s place IN THE BUBBLE.
https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/21/al-horford-reacts-to-new-role-of-coming-off-the-bench-for-the-sixers/
Biid is shooting this well because he worked his ass off during the offseason. He always have this upside and ive mentioned it before that he can be the league’s best shooting center and he should face up than post up, even before this jump happened.
Tobias is playing this well because of the visible increase in transition points and PnR. Which Brett and his Ben-centric offensive philosophy wouldnt allow.
I mean i can buy into the “this roster have improved spacing that is leading to an improvement in Jojo’s game” if Jojo was continuing his bullyball. But no, it’s flat out because he’s just a much better shooter.
ITS MOSTLY ABOUT COACHING AND PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT.
I hear your argument, just too many hypotheticals for me. I can buy that Morey traded Horford for flexibility and even thought Harden would become available, but to think that he was banking on that deal I just can't buy. IMO, there are too many variables to think that way.76ciology wrote:I’ll repeat.
Im not discounting roster change.
But it’s mostly about coaching change and player development that lead to Embiid becoming a better shooter and Tobi to improve his shooting %s.
Im just not that impressed with our roster moves like this recent one with Anthony Tolliver.
To be fair with Morey, he just didnt see that Rox wouldnt accept his trade offer involving Ben for Harden. Who the hell in the right mind would prefer Victor “damaged goods” Oladipo over Ben Simmons? And the Al trade was the precursor to that with the cap space to accommodate Harden’s $50M per year contract.
And the Harden trade not happening, set us back.
zaz102 wrote:I hear your argument, just too many hypotheticals for me. I can buy that Morey traded Horford for flexibility and even thought Harden would become available, but to think that he was banking on that deal I just can't buy. IMO, there are too many variables to think that way.76ciology wrote:I’ll repeat.
Im not discounting roster change.
But it’s mostly about coaching change and player development that lead to Embiid becoming a better shooter and Tobi to improve his shooting %s.
Im just not that impressed with our roster moves like this recent one with Anthony Tolliver.
To be fair with Morey, he just didnt see that Rox wouldnt accept his trade offer involving Ben for Harden. Who the hell in the right mind would prefer Victor “damaged goods” Oladipo over Ben Simmons? And the Al trade was the precursor to that with the cap space to accommodate Harden’s $50M per year contract.
And the Harden trade not happening, set us back.
Also, I just can't see the move as a major setback that had us going from 6th and swept in the playoffs to first with a lot better flexibility regardless of coaching improvements and player development.
76ciology wrote:Embiid wasnt shooting this well and Tobias was struggling so bad when Al and Ben weren’t clogging the paint for him IN THE BUBBLE.
And again, we could just let Al play off the bench like how we started Shake in Al’s place IN THE BUBBLE.
https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/21/al-horford-reacts-to-new-role-of-coming-off-the-bench-for-the-sixers/
Biid is shooting this well because he worked his ass off during the offseason. He always have this upside and ive mentioned it before that he can be the league’s best shooting center and he should face up than post up, even before this jump happened.
Tobias is playing this well because of the visible increase in transition points and PnR. Which Brett and his Ben-centric offensive philosophy wouldnt allow.
I mean i can buy into the “this roster have improved spacing that is leading to an improvement in Jojo’s game” if Jojo was continuing his bullyball. But no, it’s flat out because he’s just a much better shooter.
ITS MOSTLY ABOUT COACHING AND PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT.
76ciology wrote:zaz102 wrote:I hear your argument, just too many hypotheticals for me. I can buy that Morey traded Horford for flexibility and even thought Harden would become available, but to think that he was banking on that deal I just can't buy. IMO, there are too many variables to think that way.76ciology wrote:I’ll repeat.
Im not discounting roster change.
But it’s mostly about coaching change and player development that lead to Embiid becoming a better shooter and Tobi to improve his shooting %s.
Im just not that impressed with our roster moves like this recent one with Anthony Tolliver.
To be fair with Morey, he just didnt see that Rox wouldnt accept his trade offer involving Ben for Harden. Who the hell in the right mind would prefer Victor “damaged goods” Oladipo over Ben Simmons? And the Al trade was the precursor to that with the cap space to accommodate Harden’s $50M per year contract.
And the Harden trade not happening, set us back.
Also, I just can't see the move as a major setback that had us going from 6th and swept in the playoffs to first with a lot better flexibility regardless of coaching improvements and player development.
Thanks for being open minded.
I dont think its a major setback. I still think we can give a treasure chest offer when there’s opportunity. But we could have been in a much better place IMO.
Maybe I just look highly at Morey and expect a lot better from him, because my team needs it.