Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Which do you prefer?
Dorian Finney-Smith/ Taurean Prince/ Grant Williams/ Caleb Martin

In exact order
Caleb Martin
DFS
Prince
Williams

[Mik317]

Hayward is another guy who was unplayable in the playoffs recently

can't say I watched a ton of the OKC series but yeah

[NearingZero]

Since I've been concerned about a 1st apron hard-cap, I finally went ahead and looked up the actual current CBA document on the player's association site.

As best I can tell, using the full Room MLE does not hard-cap a team at the 1st apron. The relevant portion is Article VII, Section 2(e). The Transaction Restrictions Table specifically ties the 1st apron to the Non-Tax MLE by name, rather than any amount above the Tax MLE.

Taking back more than 100% of outgoing salary is still a hard-cap trigger, so suggestions about simply trading Reed for a player making $15M must take the apron into account.

But at the very least, there are possible avenues to exceeding the 1st apron in order to acquire more expensive players.

Good work! Looks like we can go over the 1st Apron after all.

Something like:

Sixers out:
Paul Reed ($8m)
KJ Martin ($14m S&T)

That equals $15m outgoing salary since Martin only counts for 50% going out due to BYC. With $15m out we can bring back $15m in trade (DFS?) without triggering the 1st Apron hard cap.

Isn't a S&T rule that you cannot combine another outgoing salary?

Spoiler:

I've been looking through the new CBA document, and I can't even find the Base Year Compensation rule for sign & trades anywhere. Nor can I find anything yet about a limitation on aggregating sign & trade salary.

It's possible the new CBA no longer contains these restrictions. It's also very possible that I don't know exactly what to look for in the document.

EDIT: actually, I think Article VII, Section 6(j)(4)(i) may prohibit aggregating a sign & trade player.

[FireMorey]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

Article on how it came together. The wait took so long Sunday night because the Sixers plane was delayed by weather. Because of course it was.

[Slacktard]

Good work! Looks like we can go over the 1st Apron after all.

Something like:

Sixers out:
Paul Reed ($8m)
KJ Martin ($14m S&T)

That equals $15m outgoing salary since Martin only counts for 50% going out due to BYC. With $15m out we can bring back $15m in trade (DFS?) without triggering the 1st Apron hard cap.

Isn't a S&T rule that you cannot combine another outgoing salary?

I've been looking through the new CBA document, and I can't even find the Base Year Compensation rule for sign & trades anywhere. Nor can I find anything yet about a limitation on aggregating sign & trade salary.

It's possible the new CBA no longer contains these restrictions. It's also very possible that I don't know exactly what to look for in the document.

Not 100%, but I think it's this part in the new CBA.

(5) If (x) a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Early Qualifying
Veteran Free Agent and his prior Team enter into a Player Contract,
in accordance with Section 6(b)(1) or (3) above, in connection with
an agreement to trade the Contract in accordance with Section 8(e)
below, (y) the Team’s Team Salary immediately following such
Contract signing is above the Salary Cap, and (z) the new Contract
to be traded provides for Salary and Unlikely Bonuses for the first
Season of such Contract in excess of the Salary and Unlikely
Bonuses that could have been provided for by the Contract had the
player been a Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent and the Contract
had been signed pursuant to Section 6(b)(2) above, then for
purposes of calculating the assignor Team’s Traded Player
Exception, the player’s Salary shall be deemed equal to the greater
of (i) the Salary for the last Season of his preceding Contract, or
(ii) fifty percent (50%) of the Salary for the first Season of his new
Contract. For purposes of this Section 6(j)(5), if the player’s
immediately prior Contract was a one-year Contract that provided
for Salary equal to the Minimum Player Salary (with no bonuses of
any kind), the player’s prior Salary shall include the portion of the
Minimum Player Salary, if any, that was reimbursed out of the
League-wide benefits fund described in Article IV, Section 6(h).

The Qualifying Veteran Free Agent is what the actual term for 'bird rights' status is. The Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent would be 'early bird rights'

Basically the way I would understand this it is saying if a team immediately after signing such a player either goes over (or already is over) the salary cap and the contract has a value that wouldn't have been possible if the player DID NOT have any bird rights then the calculated traded value of the player for that first season would be 50% the value of the player's new salary if its greater than the value of his previous salary.

[Doramas]

Which do you prefer?
Dorian Finney-Smith/ Taurean Prince/ Grant Williams/ Caleb Martin

In exact order
Caleb Martin
DFS
Prince
Williams

Do you want Caleb Martin as a 2, SG?
You'd rather have a SG than a PF. Is it because of the level of players on the roster?

[NearingZero]

Isn't a S&T rule that you cannot combine another outgoing salary?

I've been looking through the new CBA document, and I can't even find the Base Year Compensation rule for sign & trades anywhere. Nor can I find anything yet about a limitation on aggregating sign & trade salary.

It's possible the new CBA no longer contains these restrictions. It's also very possible that I don't know exactly what to look for in the document.

Not 100%, but I think it's this part in the new CBA.

(5) If (x) a Qualifying Veteran Free Agent or Early Qualifying
Veteran Free Agent and his prior Team enter into a Player Contract,
in accordance with Section 6(b)(1) or (3) above, in connection with
an agreement to trade the Contract in accordance with Section 8(e)
below, (y) the Team’s Team Salary immediately following such
Contract signing is above the Salary Cap, and (z) the new Contract
to be traded provides for Salary and Unlikely Bonuses for the first
Season of such Contract in excess of the Salary and Unlikely
Bonuses that could have been provided for by the Contract had the
player been a Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent and the Contract
had been signed pursuant to Section 6(b)(2) above, then for
purposes of calculating the assignor Team’s Traded Player
Exception, the player’s Salary shall be deemed equal to the greater
of (i) the Salary for the last Season of his preceding Contract, or
(ii) fifty percent (50%) of the Salary for the first Season of his new
Contract. For purposes of this Section 6(j)(5), if the player’s
immediately prior Contract was a one-year Contract that provided
for Salary equal to the Minimum Player Salary (with no bonuses of
any kind), the player’s prior Salary shall include the portion of the
Minimum Player Salary, if any, that was reimbursed out of the
League-wide benefits fund described in Article IV, Section 6(h).

The Qualifying Veteran Free Agent is what the actual term for 'bird rights' status is. The Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agent would be 'early bird rights'

Basically the way I would understand this it is saying if a team immediately after signing such a player either goes over (or already is over) the salary cap and the contract has a value that wouldn't have been possible if the player DID NOT have any bird rights then the calculated traded value of the player for that first season would be 50% the value of the player's new salary if its greater than the value of his previous salary.

Yep, that seems to be it. And given my edit above, it also seems like s&t players can't be aggregated.

[Negrodamus]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

[Sixersftw]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

For 1 year, sure but the fit is rough as hell.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Which do you prefer?
Dorian Finney-Smith/ Taurean Prince/ Grant Williams/ Caleb Martin

In exact order
Caleb Martin
DFS
Prince
Williams

Do you want Caleb Martin as a 2, SG?
You'd rather have a SG than a PF. Is it because of the level of players on the roster?

Martin and DFS is basically a toss up. Martin is younger and has terrorized Boston in the past. DFS fits better if we're playing him as a power forward and George as a small forward. Martin works at small forward if we're playing George at power forward. Like I said it's a toss up. You need a guy that can defend Tatum, Giannis, Julius Randle, Siakam, Banchero, and Jimmy Butler. It's why I don't want us to get rid of Paul Reed. If we can somehow keep Reed while adding Caleb Martin, it can only help our defense. For the record I'd be happy adding any of the names you listed. Prince isn't what he used to be and Grant Williams tends to be an A-Hole even to his own teammates but I'd settle for any of them. DFS will cost the most. I'd find a way to make an offer to Caleb Martin though.

[NearingZero]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

I would imagine he'd want to go somewhere as more than the 4th option so he can put up better numbers.

[76ciology]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

Won't adding him lead to too many cooks in the kitchen? DeRozan can't play off the ball well and isn't a good floor spacer. I wouldn't mind having DeRozan if we didn't already have George, but now, I find DeRozan's shot creation less valuable with George on the team.

[76ciology]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

I would imagine he'd want to go somewhere as more than the 4th option so he can put up better numbers.

Report also said he’s trying to build his value for 2025 FA.

[Negrodamus]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

Won't adding him lead to too many cooks in the kitchen? DeRozan can't play off the ball well and isn't a good floor spacer. I wouldn't mind having DeRozan if we didn't already have George, but now, I find DeRozan's shot creation less valuable with George on the team.

I honestly don't really think we have enough cooks still. But the intention is to have Embiid be the offense in which everyone orbits around. DeRozan would be a nice option when Embiid is sitting (or taking games off).

I'm looking at this from the lens of a team that has a bunch of ringless stars who will need to sacrifice their game to win a championship.

[Sixersftw]

Read on Twitter

Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

Won't adding him lead to too many cooks in the kitchen? DeRozan can't play off the ball well and isn't a good floor spacer. I wouldn't mind having DeRozan if we didn't already have George, but now, I find DeRozan's shot creation less valuable with George on the team.

DeRozan's skillset isn't compatible with being more of a complimentary piece. Along with what you said he really doesn't bring much defensively.

[Slacktard]

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Friends with Lowry and PG, ring chasing, we have a SG spot open... Not a bad one year layover before trying to find a nice final contract.

I would imagine he'd want to go somewhere as more than the 4th option so he can put up better numbers.

He put up almost 25 pts/5+ assists and still wasn't even looked at as a serious option by teams with cap space this year. I'm not sure why that would change with him being a year older next year. Even if there may be more teams (not sure on that) with cap room, there also may be a better FA class next summer.

Him turning down 2/$80m from the Bulls is gonna come back to bite him. If he ends up taking an MLE or something for 2024 that's going to be almost $30m in salary he lost for 2024.

[Embiid-MVP]

If we have $15MM (Including trading Reed), some trade options below:

- Brandon Clarke, Grizzlies
- DFS, Nets
- Chris Boucher, Raptors
- Bobby Portis, Bucks
- Jabari Smith, Rockets
- Tres Lyles, Kings
- Jarred Vanderbilt, Lakers

Jabari Smith would be the best get. Young, two way player who can bring size and shooting against the celtics.

Portis
Portis
Portis


We need a junk yard dogg!

From all these lists portis sticks out the most and it's the best option. We need a dawg .. an enforcer.

[76ciology]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40478287/inside-paul-george-free-agency-showdown-how-philadelphia-76ers-landed-nine-all-star

Article on how it came together. The wait took so long Sunday night because the Sixers plane was delayed by weather. Because of course it was.

What I want to know is, how long have the Sixers been planning to clear cap space for 2024? Was this strategy in place before they signed Tobias, or did they just happen to luck into having cap space in 2024?

[Negrodamus]

I understand it from the standpoint of DeMar wanting to take a chance on himself and continue to make a massive salary.

I don't understand it not working from our standpoint. If we can bring in a desperately starving all star dying to win a championship, you do it and figure out how to make him work with the rest of the team.

[Slacktard]

I wonder if there's a way the Sixers could get Jarred Vanderbilt from the Lakers and in doing so help them clear more cap space so they could fit in DDR? Vanderbilt is around $10m (on a 4 year deal).