2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Sixersftw]

Separating the career from the prospect, who was better entering the league: Stauskas or Kon? Similar size, similar shooting percentages…

Great pull.

I want to say, for me, Stauskas. However, thats a lie. I got Knips just barely. I really have a tough time separating the two as they are VERY similar prospects. I think Kon has a marginal chance to remain on the floor defensively because he's just a little more solidly built. Offensively, while the percentages are the same I think Kon is a better motion shooter.

[Negrodamus]

Separating the career from the prospect, who was better entering the league: Stauskas or Kon? Similar size, similar shooting percentages…

Great pull.

I want to say, for me, Stauskas. However, thats a lie. I got Knips just barely. I really have a tough time separating the two as they are VERY similar prospects. I think Kon has a marginal chance to remain on the floor defensively because he's just a little more solidly built. Offensively, while the percentages are the same I think Kon is a better motion shooter.

That 2.0 STL% has me putting away my knives. Just barely making it.

[SixthStreet]

Separating the career from the prospect, who was better entering the league: Stauskas or Kon? Similar size, similar shooting percentages…

As I recall, Stauskas was quite awful as a freshman. I don't think he was even on the early entry radar heading into his sophomore season. He just went absolutely nuts his second year from the jump and was a stone cold killer by the tournament.

If Stauskas wasn't bullied in the first couple years by Cousins I think his NBA career would have turned out much differently.

That said, these guys that are doing it as freshman like Knueppel are on a different tier as prospects.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The PHLY guys did a mock draft. Bodner picked for Sixers at 3 and went VJ. Kyle sounded like it would have been his pick too.

I like these guys but they index defense far too much and offensive toolkit far too little with guards especially at the top of the draft when you should be star-hunting. Their philosophy I agree with late lottery on-wards, but star guards are stars because of their offense. Edgecombe ain't it.

And since we know Bailey ain't it either, that leaves Tre and praying he makes some defensive effort going forward.

Yeah, Bailey is 18...We damn sure know he's not it.

[the_process]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

[76ciology]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

I was looking back at this pick the other day and I came out with the realization that it was a bad move for two clear reasons:
1.He was already a junior.
2.He’s a guard who can’t shoot

And if I have to do a re-draft without looking at how their careers would turn out, I’d most likely select DMC.

[76ciology]

As for the Nik Stauskas vs. KK discussion, I lean toward KK because of his defense. I like to evaluate talent and upside within the context of their likely NBA roles.

Think of it like Sam Hauser vs. Sam Merrill, Hauser stuck because he defends better.

Their best case outcomes might look like Quentin Grimes or Grayson Allen, both valuable rotation players whose defensive ability plays a big role in their overall value.

If a player is an elite scorer with playmaking ability, they can get away with being a below-average defender (Kyrie? Mitchell? Brunson? Luka?). If they’re not that good offensively, they at least need to be a neutral defender (Booker? Jamal Murray?). But if they lack high-level offense, then defense becomes a major swing factor in their value.

[Mik317]

I remember the Turner workout vid with him hitting a bunch of 3s and throwing down 360 dunks

i swore we just drafted the next great 2 guard

.....and part of me still thinks Doug Collins held him back

[zaz102]

I changed my pick from VJ to Ace. Between watching him and I tried to compare him to as many similar players as I could and I feel strongly that unless he is a bonehead, he should have high chance of succeeding in the NBA.

Also, it seems like a good spot for him to succeed in an almost opposite situation as Rutgers where he should be able to get easier looks, easier to get teammates the ball and develop more on defense. He should get a good amount of playing time. And he gets to learn from PG.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

Well yeah. He looked like a hybrid of Brandon Roy and Grant Hill. He was big, strong, could handle the ball, defend, he was going to be a walking triple double. I personally thought he was going to be a great player. Okafor was another one I died for.

So...maybe all this is adding up into some subliminal message. Ace Bailey may be the magnet in all of this. Pulling the devoted dreamers such as myself into its hold. Meanwhile the signs are all there! The third overall pick! 76ciology on broad street with sign attached to him "ACE AINT THE PLACE" while he bangs on an oversized bass drum. With Turner it had been POINTGOD as the proclaimed messenger, with Okafor it was Kobblehead, and Fultz had Lloyd speaking languages he'd never spoke before. Now 76ciology has taken the torch. As I said earlier, we don't need bad witchcraft in this forum. This pick is super important, but I'm officially staying the F outta the conversation. I just want a good player.

[76ciology]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

Well yeah. He looked like a hybrid of Brandon Roy and Grant Hill. He was big, strong, could handle the ball, defend, he was going to be a walking triple double. I personally thought he was going to be a great player. Okafor was another one I died for.

So...maybe all this is adding up into some subliminal message. Ace Bailey may be the magnet in all of this. Pulling the devoted dreamers such as myself into its hold. Meanwhile the signs are all there! The third overall pick! 76ciology on broad street with sign attached to him "ACE AINT THE PLACE" while he bangs on an oversized bass drum. With Turner it had been POINTGOD as the proclaimed messenger, with Okafor it was Kobblehead, and Fultz had Lloyd speaking languages he'd never spoke before. Now 76ciology has taken the torch. As I said earlier, we don't need bad witchcraft in this forum. This pick is super important, but I'm officially staying the F outta the conversation. I just want a good player.

I think all my past mistakes, and my recent track record of identifying good players, have prepared me for this moment. I might be wrong, but I believe betting against Ace Bailey is a smart play.

It’s not like I’m Michael Burry calling the 2008 financial crisis, even our front office is exploring trade-down options. And from what I’ve seen, most experts don’t view Ace as the clear cut choice at No. 3 either.

Everyone has their own way of evaluating prospects, some rely heavily on film, others prioritize specific metrics. Some value certain archetypes or ancillary traits more than others, even over primary skills. It really depends on what each evaluator believes matters most in projecting success.

[ivysixer2000]

The teams left in the playoffs have at least one young long athletic 2-way wing that is actually good.

We have 0, so the answer to our draft should be obvious for that reason alone.

[Negrodamus]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

I was looking back at this pick the other day and I came out with the realization that it was a bad move for two clear reasons:
1.He was already a junior.
2.He’s a guard who can’t shoot

And if I have to do a re-draft without looking at how their careers would turn out, I’d most likely select DMC.

I wanted Cousins so bad for a multitude of reasons, mostly wrong ones: we needed a C desperately, he went to Kentucky, he was a mean dude, had very cool post moves. There wasn’t a very major statistical backing for why, pure eye test/homerism which contributed to me fighting tooth and nail on here to defend picking him.

The fact that he was the right pick also set me out on a 15 year mission to live or die (mostly die) with fat boi PF/C. Queen is just another fat boi du jour that I’m falling victim to.

[mjkvol]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

Well yeah. He looked like a hybrid of Brandon Roy and Grant Hill. He was big, strong, could handle the ball, defend, he was going to be a walking triple double. I personally thought he was going to be a great player. Okafor was another one I died for.

Agree on Turner, I believed he was the real deal at the time. Okafor, just the opposite. That pick still annoys me because it seemed so clear his game didn't translate to where the league was moving, and was just "well, we're stuck because there's no one else we can pick at this spot", and seemed like more of a hedge against Embiid's health than anything else.

To me, it was pick Porzingas and dare him not to show up, or trade him at some point. But to throw away a #3 pick on a dinosaur of a player was such a complete waste, the worst move Hinkie ever made. I see Ace at #3 in somewhat the same way, just that he doesn't appear to have the upside to me that some are projecting. The difference is there are other options in this draft, plus there appears to be great interest in that pick around the league. A trade down that keeps us in the lottery and adds a pick or more picks would be a home run.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

Well yeah. He looked like a hybrid of Brandon Roy and Grant Hill. He was big, strong, could handle the ball, defend, he was going to be a walking triple double. I personally thought he was going to be a great player. Okafor was another one I died for.

So...maybe all this is adding up into some subliminal message. Ace Bailey may be the magnet in all of this. Pulling the devoted dreamers such as myself into its hold. Meanwhile the signs are all there! The third overall pick! 76ciology on broad street with sign attached to him "ACE AINT THE PLACE" while he bangs on an oversized bass drum. With Turner it had been POINTGOD as the proclaimed messenger, with Okafor it was Kobblehead, and Fultz had Lloyd speaking languages he'd never spoke before. Now 76ciology has taken the torch. As I said earlier, we don't need bad witchcraft in this forum. This pick is super important, but I'm officially staying the F outta the conversation. I just want a good player.

I think all my past mistakes, and my recent track record of identifying good players, have prepared me for this moment. I might be wrong, but I believe betting against Ace Bailey is a smart play.

It’s not like I’m Michael Burry calling the 2008 financial crisis, even our front office is exploring trade-down options. And from what I’ve seen, most experts don’t view Ace as the clear cut choice at No. 3 either.

Everyone has their own way of evaluating prospects, some rely heavily on film, others prioritize specific metrics. Some value certain archetypes or ancillary traits more than others, even over primary skills. It really depends on what each evaluator believes matters most in projecting success.

I'm getting bad vibes with where we are picking. If the ping pong balls are in fact rigged, then Adam Slither is Satan with a diabolical sense of humor.

[76ciology]

Everybody was psyched about Evan Turner back in the day, too.

I was looking back at this pick the other day and I came out with the realization that it was a bad move for two clear reasons:
1.He was already a junior.
2.He’s a guard who can’t shoot

And if I have to do a re-draft without looking at how their careers would turn out, I’d most likely select DMC.

I wanted Cousins so bad for a multitude of reasons, mostly wrong ones: we needed a C desperately, he went to Kentucky, he was a mean dude, had very cool post moves. There wasn’t a very major statistical backing for why, pure eye test/homerism which contributed to me fighting tooth and nail on here to defend picking him.

The fact that he was the right pick also set me out on a 15 year mission to live or die (mostly die) with fat boi PF/C. Queen is just another fat boi du jour that I’m falling victim to.

DMC would’ve been a perfect fit on that squad, a Jrue-Iggy-DMC Big 3 could’ve been something special. We still had EB42 and Thad holding it down, both steady and reliable. And Lou Will coming off the bench as a microwave scorer? That’s a deep, well-balanced team.

[76ciology]

Well yeah. He looked like a hybrid of Brandon Roy and Grant Hill. He was big, strong, could handle the ball, defend, he was going to be a walking triple double. I personally thought he was going to be a great player. Okafor was another one I died for.

So...maybe all this is adding up into some subliminal message. Ace Bailey may be the magnet in all of this. Pulling the devoted dreamers such as myself into its hold. Meanwhile the signs are all there! The third overall pick! 76ciology on broad street with sign attached to him "ACE AINT THE PLACE" while he bangs on an oversized bass drum. With Turner it had been POINTGOD as the proclaimed messenger, with Okafor it was Kobblehead, and Fultz had Lloyd speaking languages he'd never spoke before. Now 76ciology has taken the torch. As I said earlier, we don't need bad witchcraft in this forum. This pick is super important, but I'm officially staying the F outta the conversation. I just want a good player.

I think all my past mistakes, and my recent track record of identifying good players, have prepared me for this moment. I might be wrong, but I believe betting against Ace Bailey is a smart play.

It’s not like I’m Michael Burry calling the 2008 financial crisis, even our front office is exploring trade-down options. And from what I’ve seen, most experts don’t view Ace as the clear cut choice at No. 3 either.

Everyone has their own way of evaluating prospects, some rely heavily on film, others prioritize specific metrics. Some value certain archetypes or ancillary traits more than others, even over primary skills. It really depends on what each evaluator believes matters most in projecting success.

I'm getting bad vibes with where we are picking. If the ping pong balls are in fact rigged, then Adam Slither is Satan with a diabolical sense of humor.

There’s no point in stressing about something we can’t control hahaha I think we’ve both been a fan of this game long enough to know that there will be another bus coming. The talent out there is abundant.

[Negrodamus]

I was looking back at this pick the other day and I came out with the realization that it was a bad move for two clear reasons:
1.He was already a junior.
2.He’s a guard who can’t shoot

And if I have to do a re-draft without looking at how their careers would turn out, I’d most likely select DMC.

I wanted Cousins so bad for a multitude of reasons, mostly wrong ones: we needed a C desperately, he went to Kentucky, he was a mean dude, had very cool post moves. There wasn’t a very major statistical backing for why, pure eye test/homerism which contributed to me fighting tooth and nail on here to defend picking him.

The fact that he was the right pick also set me out on a 15 year mission to live or die (mostly die) with fat boi PF/C. Queen is just another fat boi du jour that I’m falling victim to.

DMC would’ve been a perfect fit on that squad, a Jrue-Iggy-DMC Big 3 could’ve been something special. We still had EB42 and Thad holding it down, both steady and reliable. And Lou Will coming off the bench as a microwave scorer? That’s a deep, well-balanced team.

Definitely. I remember one of the arguments being that Doug Collins and Cousins wouldn't be able to coexist which is very funny in retrospect since coaches get launched out of jobs in less than a year these days.

Smashing Turner into a Jrue, Iguodala, Thaddeus Young lineup functionally made no sense (which is probably why Iggy was traded) and was the absolute wrong move in terms of where the league was going. 4 mid to non-shooters and Spencer Hawes...

[ProcessDoctor]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=dylan-harper--markelle-fultz

[76ciology]

I wanted Cousins so bad for a multitude of reasons, mostly wrong ones: we needed a C desperately, he went to Kentucky, he was a mean dude, had very cool post moves. There wasn’t a very major statistical backing for why, pure eye test/homerism which contributed to me fighting tooth and nail on here to defend picking him.

The fact that he was the right pick also set me out on a 15 year mission to live or die (mostly die) with fat boi PF/C. Queen is just another fat boi du jour that I’m falling victim to.

DMC would’ve been a perfect fit on that squad, a Jrue-Iggy-DMC Big 3 could’ve been something special. We still had EB42 and Thad holding it down, both steady and reliable. And Lou Will coming off the bench as a microwave scorer? That’s a deep, well-balanced team.

Definitely. I remember one of the arguments being that Doug Collins and Cousins wouldn't be able to coexist which is very funny in retrospect since coaches get launched out of jobs in less than a year these days.

Smashing Turner into a Jrue, Iguodala, Thaddeus Young lineup functionally made no sense (which is probably why Iggy was traded) and was the absolute wrong move in terms of where the league was going. 4 mid to non-shooters and Spencer Hawes...

I totally forgot about the Doug and DMC fit issues, didn’t even cross my mind until you brought it up.

And yeah, thinking back to Evan Turner just standing in the corner as a spot-up option was wild. Everyone was confused at the time, but it made sense in hindsight, he just couldn’t cut it as a lead guard. I remember when he tweaked his shot in the offseason, it looked smoother, and there was some hope he’d turn a corner with his 3-point shooting. But eventually, he scrapped it and went back to his old form. I flew out to Philly once to watch him, and during shoot around, all the guys were confidently launching shots preparing for the game. Evan was just off to the side, dribbling by himself. You could tell even he didn’t trust his jumper.