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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2301 » by LloydFree » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:55 pm

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AirP. wrote:Philly plays a switching defense, the guy with the ball can choose to get Butler or Simmons switched off him for a more favorable defensive player which makes a huge difference and gives Butler less time against the guy with the ball. I'm used to seeing Butler trying to stick to his man, fighting through picks and making his man work, with Philly, not much of that at all, just take your switch and like it.

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To me, it seemed like he had a number of defensive plays most players don't make.


And there's so much people miss like Butler knowing where to be and blocking out the other team to allow teammates to get rebounds... which contribute to less possessions for the other team.

Even in the playoffs, he made huge defensive plays, AI liked this one...


I get Butler isn't a gifted player like some of the top tier guys, but there are VERY FEW players that seem to make big plays in crunch time, Butler is one of those few players who seem to make those crucial big plays on BOTH sides of the ball. If you want success in the playoffs, these are the type of players you acquire or keep.

Jimmy Butler is a gifted player. That's not the point. He doesn't help maximize Joel Embiid and/or especially Ben Simmons on offense. He actually competes against them for the ball and space on the court. Even if you're of the mind that Jimmy Butler is worth Max salary well into his thirties, there has to be some acknowledgement that those three players cause each other to provide diminished returns on court. The 76ers should be in the business of accentuating Simmons and Embiid, not paying premium prices to put players in that they can't coexist on court.


Yeah. I have a lot of competing opinions.

If we run it back, can we realistically win a title with the same starters? I guess it’s possible.

If they go a different direction, can they get good enough comparable talent to replace Butler and/or Tobias? I have no idea if they can get Russell, Brogdon, etc, which makes taking a definitive opinion either difficult way.

If they split that money up among backend starters like Beverly, Danny Green, Terrance Ross, Marcus Morris, Dedmon, Randle, could they contend? Doesn’t seem like the best use of money.

Unless I’m made aware of a series of transactions that can make us better, then prob have to go with the re-sign Butler and Tobias and go for it.


Ehhh. I'm not worried about the loss of Jimmy Butler, regardless of the possibility of getting D'Angelo Russell or Brogdon. I've now witnessed Ben Simmons win multiple playoff games without both Embiid and Jimmy Butler. Butler on this team doesn't make much difference. If Embiid and Simmons at age 25 and 22 don't get better they won't win the Championship, regardless of Butler. Butler isn't a good enough player to change that. He just showed he isn't good enough to make a bit of difference against a top star.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2302 » by Lou_23 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:58 pm

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Post#2303 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:28 pm

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I guess all that's left is if Jimmy is, in fact, in the loop of this whole operation or just Morey speaking it into existence.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2304 » by FireMorey » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:32 pm

Sixers offering the max closes the book on this whole thing that isn’t even that real in the first place very quickly.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2305 » by BigSleep333 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:40 pm

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BigSleep333 wrote:with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy


All it proves is that Jimmy Butler has an agent.


whats the point of spreading rumors, when the sixers made it clear weeks ago, they will offer him the 5y max? the only reason is, he doesnt want to end his career in philly. i dont get it from jimmy's perspective. we have seen we are right there with the best of the league, and now he wants to go ball/harden-watchin in houston?!

whatever we get for him, i highly doubt that trade will make us better (i.e. gordon+tucker).
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2306 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:43 pm

BigSleep333 wrote:
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BigSleep333 wrote:with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy


All it proves is that Jimmy Butler has an agent.


whats the point of spreading rumors, when the sixers made it clear weeks ago, they will offer him the 5y max? the only reason is, he doesnt want to end his career in philly. i dont get it from jimmy's perspective. we have seen we are right there with the best of the league, and now he wants to go ball/harden-watchin in houston?!

whatever we get for him, i highly doubt that trade will make us better (i.e. gordon+tucker).

When did they make that clear?
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Post#2307 » by nitocobola » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:48 pm

I think that jimmy and tobias will stay.. but the roster will be filled with scrubs. Someone will overpay for mike scott.

Terrence ross is a good option if reddick walks.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2308 » by BigSleep333 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:50 pm

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All it proves is that Jimmy Butler has an agent.


whats the point of spreading rumors, when the sixers made it clear weeks ago, they will offer him the 5y max? the only reason is, he doesnt want to end his career in philly. i dont get it from jimmy's perspective. we have seen we are right there with the best of the league, and now he wants to go ball/harden-watchin in houston?!

whatever we get for him, i highly doubt that trade will make us better (i.e. gordon+tucker).

When did they make that clear?


well of course not officially, but i read that a few weeks ago from multiple journalists with sauces and i have no reason not to believe it. if nothing crazy happens like KD wants to come here...why wouldnt we offer jimmy the 5y max?? he was our best and most consistent player in the PO.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2309 » by nitocobola » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:51 pm

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celtics written all over it.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2310 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:53 pm

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whats the point of spreading rumors, when the sixers made it clear weeks ago, they will offer him the 5y max? the only reason is, he doesnt want to end his career in philly. i dont get it from jimmy's perspective. we have seen we are right there with the best of the league, and now he wants to go ball/harden-watchin in houston?!

whatever we get for him, i highly doubt that trade will make us better (i.e. gordon+tucker).

When did they make that clear?


well of course not officially, but i read that a few weeks ago from multiple journalists with sauces and i have no reason not to believe it. if nothing crazy happens like KD wants to come here...why wouldnt we offer jimmy the 5y max?? he was our best and most consistent player in the PO.


I don’t remember anyone of note citing a source saying the Sixers were definitely offering the max. Seems very up in the air.

Maybe they will but it doesn’t mean they have already.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2311 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:54 pm

nitocobola wrote:
Lou_23 wrote:
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celtics written all over it.

Yabusele and a future 2nd
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2312 » by kingofthecourt67 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:56 pm

NBA needs to move up free agency. They make a big deal about tampering when people make off handed remarks during the season, but now turn a blind eye to it in the off-season. Just cut the gossip and start it quickly after the draft.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2313 » by Sixerscan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:58 pm

kingofthecourt67 wrote:NBA needs to move up free agency. They make a big deal about tampering when people make off handed remarks during the season, but now turn a blind eye to it in the off-season. Just cut the gossip and start it quickly after the draft.


I actually like that. The only thing about tampering that really bothers me is that the public statements that are a distraction to teams during the year. Like, the Sixers were out here competing for a title and had to deal with Magic saying dumb stuff.

Off season is whatever.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2314 » by Stanford » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:22 pm

Capela traded
Gordon traded
Butler signs 5 year max with Phily

So sweet
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2315 » by Winejk » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:27 pm

Stanford wrote:Capela traded
Gordon traded
Butler signs 5 year max with Phily

So sweet


I'm pretty sure Morey will make all the Cappella/Gordon trades contingent upon Jimmy Butler going to Houston. He's not that dumb.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2316 » by HankTheTank » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:41 pm

George Hill waived. I’d take him on a 1 year deal and thank TJ for his service
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2317 » by kriss73 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:41 pm

I know the market is calling the max, but just for sake of curiosity, what is in your opinion the right value of Harris?

Vuc is rumored to sign a 90x4 (22.5M AAV)
Horford a 112x4 (28M AAV)

Maybe 140x5?
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2318 » by hookshot199 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:02 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
nitocobola wrote:
Lou_23 wrote:
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celtics written all over it.

Yabusele and a future 2nd


If this is a legitimate report, Yabusele, without Jaylen Brown or Marcus Smart, doesn't get the trade done.
I understand everyone's concern about getting beaten by Ainge again. On the other hand, Hayward substantially
limits Ainge's ability to complete the Celtics roster. If they want to offer Kemba Walker a max deal.

Personally, I believe that Smart would be a good young veteran acquisition. He's under contract/good money
for three more years. And Jaylen Brown may not have not have upside much higher than Jae Crowder, but
he is only 22 and in his sophomore year (not this past year) shot .395 from the 3-point line.

If Morey isn't making a legitimate offer (i.e., getting us value for Capella), then he will be exposed.

Also, if it is a legitimate report, I find it hard to believe that Butler and his agent aren't involved. And ditto
with Brand.

I believe there are only four or five teams who, practically speaking, could take on Capella's and Gordon's
salaries without sending something back.

Anyway, I take the deal if it's either Smart or Brown and we get a pick from Houston and perhaps the 33
pick back from the Celtics.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2319 » by Stanford » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:03 pm

Winejk wrote:
Stanford wrote:Capela traded
Gordon traded
Butler signs 5 year max with Phily

So sweet


I'm pretty sure Morey will make all the Cappella/Gordon trades contingent upon Jimmy Butler going to Houston. He's not that dumb.


I'm fantasizing
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#2320 » by phillynative » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:09 pm

All this talk about what the rockets and celtics want. As a sixer fan idgaf unless its beneficial to us.

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