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M2J wrote:Dallas has already confirmed they're drafting Flagg. Trading Luka was clearly out of frustration with Luka and the organization including the owner. The owner won't trade Flagg
Jojothewhale wrote:sixers hoops wrote:I was just reading about Sam Presti’s draft record. He has a really good track record in the lottery. He has some misses in the bottom half of the round, and Cam Payne at 14 wasn’t great. DraftExpress had Harden going 5 and ESPN had him going 8, but Presti hit on the future MVP at 3. NBAdraft.net and Chad Ford had Westbrook going 6, and Presti hit on the future MVP at 4. Durant was a no-brainer at 2. Steven Adams, Chet, Jalen Williams, and Cason Wallace were very good as well. And he really hit on SGA as a rookie.
He has a really good track record of not botching top 5 picks. Meanwhile, Thabeet, Beasley, and OJ Mayo were picked before his selections. I think he often looks for guys who are excellent athletes, have the ability to handle the ball, and metrics that indicate shooting potential. Basically, players who have a long developmental runway, and from there he trusts his development team.
Looking at his tendencies I could see Edgecombe as a Presti target. However, Morey has drafted very similar with the Sixers. Even Springer fit the bill, but just did develop like they hoped. It’s risky to hope a player develops a jumper, but if it happens like it did with Maxey, then you have a steal.
I'm a VJ at 3 guy, so there's definitely going to be some bias on my part. For me, the star equity in VJ depends on how much you can improve a handle. I think so many of his faults as a prospect stem from specifically that skill. I would really like to see one of the popular podcasts dig into specific skills like that and what is or isn't fixable.
I was also a Maxey and Springer guy, but I thought Maxey would be a better point of attack defender than he has been so far with a good shot and floater touch. Instead, his shooting exploded and the defense never really came. I'm not sure that even counts as being right!
Presti is about as low on the incompetence scale as it gets, but I think this is also a great example of how hard it is to draw specific lines. In your post, the Top 5 clause is carrying a hell of a lot of weight. Giddey over Franz Wagner at 6 was a disaster. Like you said, the developmental team a GM hands these guys over to matters so damn much. If Utah takes Cason Wallace at 9, where is he now? I'd bet significantly worse off. How much of Presti's success is him making good decisions in who to draft? How much of it is in who he hired as coaches and trainers? We'll never know. That's what makes it fun to me.
phifans wrote:My question for picking VJ or Tre with 3# is : Why would you use this pick on a combo guard who may or may not be better than what we already have at the end of the day ... and we do have three of them in Maxey McCain and Grimes. That's just too much. So if you ask me, just pick Ace at three ... or if you really don't like this kid ... trade down to 5-7 and take guys like Knueppel along with some more futrure 1st round picks back.
Iverson Armband wrote:Can anyone name an instance where someone traded out of a top 3 pick and it actually worked?
Iverson Armband wrote:Can anyone name an instance where someone traded out of a top 3 pick and it actually worked?
phifans wrote:So are we that sure VJ will be a better guard than both Grimes and McCain (or Maxey) when all is said and done ? Cos that would be the basic logic if you want to take VJ at 3.
Iverson Armband wrote:Can anyone name an instance where someone traded out of a top 3 pick and it actually worked?
76ciology wrote:What concerns me about Edgecombe is that he consistently looks small on the court whenever I watch his tape, and players often look even smaller once they reach the NBA. For his archetype, value usually comes from guys who play bigger than their size. Defensively, I see flashes of that in him. But on offense, he plays like the smallest guy on the floor. Watching him reminds me a bit of Miles McBride on offense.