Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

steveb21 · Post #241 » by **steveb21** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:48 pm

I dunno...I was all for trading Iguodala but now I'm thinking that a lineup featuring Anthony, Brand and Igoudala would be sweet. We could put together a package of Turner (young talent), Kapono & Songalia (expirings) and draft picks.

With this lineup we could definitely compete in the East. The first five may not be as talented as Miami but we would have more depth and versatility off the bench than they do.

Post #242 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:16 pm

Only way I'd consider moving Turner for a Melo rental, is if we got Nene coming back somehow.

Kobblehead · Post #243 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:54 pm

As soon as Iguodala and Williams are out of here, Turner is going to be one of the better lead guards in the NBA.

freshie2 · Post #244 » by **freshie2** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:As soon as Iguodala and Williams are out of here, Turner is going to be one of the better lead guards in the NBA.

Let us not get ahead of ourselves...his jumper still looks like that of a CYO level player, and he doesn't look comfortable in running the offense yet. I am onboard that he'll be fine in the end, but he has a lot of work ahead of him. When/if Iguodala and Williams are not here, he's not even starting right away.

Turner or Iguodala most likely will be moved, and whichever one brings back the best complimentary pieces to Jrue and the remaining team is the best trading chip. If you somehow get Melo next to Iguodala and Jrue (for Turner +) you immediately have a tremendous lineup. If you get involved in a Melo trade with either NY or NJ and get someone like Favors or Gallinari for Iguodala or Turner, that gives you some nice/young pieces moving forward as well.

Kobblehead · Post #245 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:24 pm

Turner or Iguodala most likely will be moved, and whichever one brings back the best complimentary pieces to Jrue and the remaining team is the best trading chip

I disagree with that infinitely.

Turner should not be moved for chips. He's the guy you put the chips around to build a solid team. Neither him or Holiday are franchise players, but together, they are pretty close to a franchise backcourt. The play both ends of the court, they can break down defenders with their handle, they have playmaking ability, and Holiday can play off the ball and allow Turner to play to his strengths (handling the ball).

And best part, they are both on their rookie contracts.

freshie2 · Post #246 » by **freshie2** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:06 pm

So, in theory, you wouldn't move Turner in a package that brings back a player like Carmello, or Derrick Favors?? I would prefer moving Iguodala for the reasons you mentioned, but if you get more value in exchange for Turner (for the reasons you mentioned) I am fine with that as well. I'm hopeful Turner can develop (and think he will) but haven't seen enough at this point to share your beliefs.

BTW...Jrue is pretty close to a franchise player in waiting...amazing how far ahead of Turner he is at this point, given the decorated NCAA career that ET had.

Skates · Post #247 » by **Skates** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:21 pm

SJSF wrote:Deng for Iggy is a no go for me. He falls in the same class. Way overpaid. 2 things are needed for Iggy. A big man or a shooter. With some salary cap relief. Why i wanted a Gortat and Pietrus for Iggy trade.

Except for rookies, minimum guys and top level frnachise players, 90% of the rest of the NBA is considerably overpaid. Freeing up cap space in an Iggy trade is useless, all it will do is put us far enough under the tax to use the mid-levels exception more and those guys tend to be well over-paid too.

Deng is a relaible mid-range shooter who is shooting the three at about a 40% clip the last three years. This year he is finally taking them in greater volume and still shooting that percentage. He has better size at the SF spot and is a good athlete and defender. What Deng does not do is get his own shots, he tends to need to be set-up for a shot in half court or will score in transition.

Hook him up with a couple of ballhandling passers in the backcourt like Holiday and Turner and you have a guy who is a good shooter that doesn't dominate the ball. He is still just 25 yo and will be a quality player when Turner and Holiday are hitting their prime. I want Gibson in the deal though, he is the kind of defensive big this team needs more of.

I still think Iggy is the better player than Deng by a bit.

SJSF · Post #248 » by **SJSF** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:38 pm

Skates wrote:
SJSF wrote:Deng for Iggy is a no go for me. He falls in the same class. Way overpaid. 2 things are needed for Iggy. A big man or a shooter. With some salary cap relief. Why i wanted a Gortat and Pietrus for Iggy trade.

Except for rookies, minimum guys and top level frnachise players, 90% of the rest of the NBA is considerably overpaid. Freeing up cap space in an Iggy trade is useless, all it will do is put us far enough under the tax to use the mid-levels exception more and those guys tend to be well over-paid too.

Deng is a relaible mid-range shooter who is shooting the three at about a 40% clip the last three years. This year he is finally taking them in greater volume and still shooting that percentage. He has better size at the SF spot and is a good athlete and defender. What Deng does not do is get his own shots, he tends to need to be set-up for a shot in half court or will score in transition.

Hook him up with a couple of ballhandling passers in the backcourt like Holiday and Turner and you have a guy who is a good shooter that doesn't dominate the ball. He is still just 25 yo and will be a quality player when Turner and Holiday are hitting their prime. I want Gibson in the deal though, he is the kind of defensive big this team needs more of.

I still think Iggy is the better player than Deng by a bit.

U certainly make a good case for Deng. And if he is shooting the ball that well then it is a no brainer. But i just don't like that Deng/iggy are just good players that are really way overpaid for what they do. They got paid in the year that money was being thrown around. Only the good teams make good moves with their salary cap and don't overpay for players. I for one want the Sixers to start making good financial moves and not take on salary just for the sake of it. Iggy is a nice player that can turn into a draft pick and a young good player. With less salary.

Point-God · Post #249 » by **Point-God** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:12 pm

Deng is injury prone. Iguodala is an iron man. I'll stick with Iguodala because you can count on him being healthy.

SJSF · Post #250 » by **SJSF** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:34 pm

Point-God wrote:Deng is injury prone. Iguodala is an iron man. I'll stick with Iguodala because you can count on him being healthy.

Very true, but iread some where that he is 2nd in the league in the last so many years with his minutes and i am just waiting for him to start falling apart. He has had a strained schilles so far and it is always just a matter of time for players to fall apart piece by piece. If Iggy ever loses his legs, he will be done in this league. Considering he nothing else to carry himself.

9th Wonder · Post #251 » by **9th Wonder** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:41 pm

SJSF wrote: If Iggy ever loses his legs, he will be done in this league. Considering he nothing else to carry himself.

Sure, if you discount the fact that he's a very good defender and rebounder, facilitates the offence very well, and is a decent catch-and-shoot player when his feet are set. Take away his legs (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you mean athleticism) and he's still a very strong and versatile player. The biggest loss would be to his fast break game.

SJSF · Post #252 » by **SJSF** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:10 am

9th Wonder wrote:
SJSF wrote: If Iggy ever loses his legs, he will be done in this league. Considering he nothing else to carry himself.

Sure, if you discount the fact that he's a very good defender and rebounder, facilitates the offence very well, and is a decent catch-and-shoot player when his feet are set. Take away his legs (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you mean athleticism) and he's still a very strong and versatile player. The biggest loss would be to his fast break game.

defense is all about your legs or i should say your feet. rebounding is about your legs unless you have long arms or are very tall or have a butt like charles barkle/rick mahorn. Decent catch and shoot? Not sure we are talking about the same player. And yes he is the type of player that if he has an achilles tear or a knee injury, and he loses his spring in his game. He doesn't have the skill set of a Vince Carter for example to remain in this league and reinvent his game. Faciliatate the offense? He isn't a point guard so who cares.

sixerswillrule · Post #253 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:26 am

SJSF wrote:Decent catch and shoot? Not sure we are talking about the same player.

Seriously? We just had this conversation like a week ago...

Faciliatate the offense? He isn't a point guard so who cares.

Right. Because if you're not a PG or a number #1 option, your ability to create for teammates is completely useless. No player in league history who was not a PG or a #1 option has ever contributed to a championship team with his passing/playmaking.

BringBackKorver · Post #254 » by **BringBackKorver** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:14 am

SJSF wrote:If Iggy ever loses his legs, he will be done in this league. Considering he nothing else to carry himself.

Just thought this was a bit funny if you take it literally...Of course he wouldn't have anything to carry himself with if he had no legs, and he'd certainly be out of the league if he were in a wheelchair as they can't possibly be allowed in the rules.

Kobblehead · Post #255 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:26 am

lieutenant dan > iggy

PhillyFan · Post #256 » by **PhillyFan** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:08 am

SJSF · Post #257 » by **SJSF** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:59 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
SJSF wrote:Decent catch and shoot? Not sure we are talking about the same player.

Seriously? We just had this conversation like a week ago...

Faciliatate the offense? He isn't a point guard so who cares.

Right. Because if you're not a PG or a number #1 option, your ability to create for teammates is completely useless. No player in league history who was not a PG or a #1 option has ever contributed to a championship team with his passing/playmaking.

Please don't put Scottie Pippen and Iggy in the same paragraph. Scottie was just a tad bit better then Iggy. Or i should say, a hell of alot better. And anyway, that team wasn't the typical team since they had some number 23 guy on the team.

Oh yeah and don't compare him to Paul Pierce or Sydney Moncrief. I have gone down this road before.

BringBackKorver · Post #258 » by **BringBackKorver** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:42 pm

SJSF wrote: And anyway, that team wasn't the typical team since they had some number 23 guy on the team.

We have a #23 guy too. LOUUUUUUUU

sixerswillrule · Post #259 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:41 pm

SJSF wrote:Please don't put Scottie Pippen and Iggy in the same paragraph. Scottie was just a tad bit better then Iggy. Or i should say, a hell of alot better. And anyway, that team wasn't the typical team since they had some number 23 guy on the team.

Lol. I was going to add on something, saying that no, I'm not comparing Iguodala to Pippen. I didn't think it was necessary, but I guess it was.

My point was simply to refute:

Faciliatate the offense? He isn't a point guard so who cares.

You don't seem to have a full understanding of the game of basketball. "A shooting guard that isn't a great shooter? Blasphemy! A wing that can pass the ball? Who cares, he's not a PG!" No, it doesn't work that way. All skills are important. There are no strict guidelines that each player needs to fall under. There have been small forwards like Pippen running the offense like a point guard. There have been point guards like Magic Johnson defending power forwards. There have been power forwards like Lamar Odom running the fast break like a point guard. There have been point guards like Jason Kidd rebounding the ball like a center. There have been centers like Rasheed Wallace dropping threes like...you get the point. Basketball is about matching skills to produce a winning combination on the court. Anything is possible.

SJSF · Post #260 » by **SJSF** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:30 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
SJSF wrote:Please don't put Scottie Pippen and Iggy in the same paragraph. Scottie was just a tad bit better then Iggy. Or i should say, a hell of alot better. And anyway, that team wasn't the typical team since they had some number 23 guy on the team.

Lol. I was going to add on something, saying that no, I'm not comparing Iguodala to Pippen. I didn't think it was necessary, but I guess it was.

My point was simply to refute:

Faciliatate the offense? He isn't a point guard so who cares.

You don't seem to have a full understanding of the game of basketball. "A shooting guard that isn't a great shooter? Blasphemy! A wing that can pass the ball? Who cares, he's not a PG!" No, it doesn't work that way. All skills are important. There are no strict guidelines that each player needs to fall under. There have been small forwards like Pippen running the offense like a point guard. There have been point guards like Magic Johnson defending power forwards. There have been power forwards like Lamar Odom running the fast break like a point guard. There have been point guards like Jason Kidd rebounding the ball like a center. There have been centers like Rasheed Wallace dropping threes like...you get the point. Basketball is about matching skills to produce a winning combination on the court. Anything is possible.

If you are lucky to have a Magic Johnson , Scottie Pippen, or a Jason Kidd. Then yes we can change our thinking about players. But most players on teams are nothing like them. So in todays standards, yes PG's are faciliators of the team. SG's shoot the ball. SF's are combo players that shoot/score and defend. PF's and centers have to defend the paint and score. Its not hard to figure out. If you have an elite talent that can do other things then its a bonus. But we don't have any players like this. Iggy isn't a PG he can't dribble well enough. He isn't a SG, he can't shoot well enough. He is a SF.