Trade Deadline Rumors Thread (Update pg. 24)

eyeatoma · Post #241 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 1:23 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:he hasnt missed a game in 2 years

Look up how he was before that, and also check out the dip in his production since he returned from injury...

Post #242 » by **Ben** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:13 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
KrazySixersD wrote:he hasnt missed a game in 2 years

Look up how he was before that, and also check out the dip in his production since he returned from injury...

Last year, after coming back from the last injury that he's had in the NBA and playing 80 games, he put up 23.5ppg (25.9 points per 36 minutes!) with a 60.1 true shooting percentage. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

KrazySixersD · Post #243 » by **KrazySixersD** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 2:55 pm

im not trading jrue at all right now... lets see if he is better as the 2 guard like many think... his defense is insane on the wing, and will be even better on the 2 guards..

he can shoot the spot up 3 well, and now can focus 100% on being a scorer type at the 2

lets hold off on trading him

IMO you look at turner in these next 3 or 4 games before the deadline, and unless he falls flat in all of them, you hold on to him

eyeatoma · Post #244 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 3:43 pm

Ben B. wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
KrazySixersD wrote:he hasnt missed a game in 2 years

Look up how he was before that, and also check out the dip in his production since he returned from injury...

Last year, after coming back from the last injury that he's had in the NBA and playing 80 games, he put up 23.5ppg (25.9 points per 36 minutes!) with a 60.1 true shooting percentage. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

If he's injury free this year, I'll believe it. But someone who has had five years with 20+ injuries per season is generally considered injury prone. Amare came back pretty well after his micro-fractures, but he never got that explosion back...

Kobblehead · Post #245 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:05 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Amare came back pretty well after his micro-fractures, but he never got that explosion back...

Never got that explosion back? Are you kidding me? Before Blake Griffin came along, Amare was still the most explosive athlete at the 4 in the NBA. If there is 1 posterchild for having micro and not losing any explosiveness or athleticism, Amare would be that guy.

eyeatoma · Post #246 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:07 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Amare came back pretty well after his micro-fractures, but he never got that explosion back...

Never got that explosion back? Are you kidding me? Before Blake Griffin came along, Amare was still the most explosive athlete at the 4 in the NBA. If there is 1 posterchild for having micro and not losing any explosiveness or athleticism, Amare would be that guy.

Are you kidding me?????!!! Amare knees are uninsured!!!!!! He has lost explosion. He is productive, but the difference between the dunks he could do pre micro, and post are like night and day.

Gsraider · Post #247 » by **Gsraider** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:08 pm

I would like to see how Holiday can fare in a SG role too, but I don't think it's a 100% switch either. Last night, Turner and Holiday split the PG duties. In general though, I think Holiday's shot has improved to the point where he could possibly succeed at SG, but he has to be thinking that this is UCLA all over again with what happened with Collison. The question is, is Holiday a better PG than SG in general and is there a big dropoff from one position to the other? For example, Holiday could move over to SG and improve the position, but not be a great SG in general, whereas some think he has all-star ability at the PG. Did you solve the SG position at that point or just make it better than it was, but not good enough overall? To me, I think you have to pray that a combo guard system of Holiday and Turner work or ultimately, you are kidding yourself if you don't believe that Holiday or Turner must be traded. The irony here is that it's Iguodala who is probably the safest because Turner is obviously not a SF.

eyeatoma · Post #248 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:08 pm

When I'm talking explosion, I mean dunk contest explosion that he had...

Kobblehead · Post #249 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:13 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Amare came back pretty well after his micro-fractures, but he never got that explosion back...

Never got that explosion back? Are you kidding me? Before Blake Griffin came along, Amare was still the most explosive athlete at the 4 in the NBA. If there is 1 posterchild for having micro and not losing any explosiveness or athleticism, Amare would be that guy.

Are you kidding me?????!!! Amare knees are uninsured!!!!!! He has lost explosion. He is productive, but the difference between the dunks he could do pre micro, and post are like night and day.

In his athletic prime after the surgery (24-27) he was still explosive as f***. He's 29 years old now and dealing with back injuries. Of course his athleticism is declining faster now.

eyeatoma · Post #250 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:32 pm

Agree to disagree...Either way Kevin Martin is a lateral move...He's a piss poor defender, and is having a down season this year. Trading a player that had a break out game and is only 23 years old for a player is in his late 20's and has had 5 seasons where he has missed 20-60+ games is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). This franchise loves to get players that are has beens. Derrick Coleman, Chris Webber, Glenn Robinson, Toni Kukoc, Elton Brand, Jamal Mashburn.

I'm sick of us trading for players who are no longer productive and don't have a future with us where they are still in their prime for the next 3-5 years. We will just have to start rebuilding again, once their skin falls off their bones. The only gaurds/forwards I would trade Turner for are:

James Harden
Marcus Thornton
Paul George
Rudy Gay
Wes Matthews
Nicolas Batum

Those are fair. Those are players that are still young, have room to improve, and don't have an injury history.

lakersin4 · Post #251 » by **lakersin4** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:41 pm

Would the 6rs be interested in Pau Gasol?

I assume Jrue & Turner are nearly untouchable. What about something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7dd28hm

I included Fish & Barnes because they're both contracts you won't have to worry about next season. Barnes has been the 4th best Laker this season, kind of sad really. But if you prefer other pieces, take your pick.

In my opinion, Philly really is 1 star away from being a top dog in the east. Jrue, Turner, Gasol, Hawes, EB. That's alot of weapons especially in the front court. I could see Miami having serious problems with Gasol/Hawes & a solid backup like Brand.

ZzAzZ · Post #252 » by **ZzAzZ** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:47 pm

^Seems more like a fantasy trade thread post to me.

Gsraider · Post #253 » by **Gsraider** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 4:51 pm

lakersin4 wrote:Would the 6rs be interested in Pau Gasol?

I assume Jrue & Turner are nearly untouchable. What about something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7dd28hm

I included Fish & Barnes because they're both contracts you won't have to worry about next season. Barnes has been the 4th best Laker this season, kind of sad really. But if you prefer other pieces, take your pick.

In my opinion, Philly really is 1 star away from being a top dog in the east. Jrue, Turner, Gasol, Hawes, EB. That's alot of weapons especially in the front court. I could see Miami having serious problems with Gasol/Hawes & a solid backup like Brand.

With all due respect, and for as good of a player as Gasol is, if Philly made this deal, it would be hard to continue to believe in Thorn and be optmistic going forward. Gasol is what, 32 years old? Philly would be giving up most all of its young talent and gutting its depth to acquire a very good, but aging player in Gasol. At the same time, Hawes is only trying to return from injury, which we have no clue if it will be successful and is a FA after the season. This would be a trainwreck of a trade for Philly in my opinion.

Kobblehead · Post #254 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:04 pm

lakersin4 wrote:Would the 6rs be interested in Pau Gasol?

I assume Jrue & Turner are nearly untouchable. What about something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7dd28hm

I included Fish & Barnes because they're both contracts you won't have to worry about next season. Barnes has been the 4th best Laker this season, kind of sad really. But if you prefer other pieces, take your pick.

In my opinion, Philly really is 1 star away from being a top dog in the east. Jrue, Turner, Gasol, Hawes, EB. That's alot of weapons especially in the front court. I could see Miami having serious problems with Gasol/Hawes & a solid backup like Brand.

So the Lakers add:
- The best perimeter defender in the league who happens to be a very good all around player.
- The highest scoring bench duo in the NBA.
- An offensively skilled back to the basket post scorer with a decent basketball IQ.

The Sixers add:
- A 31 year old PF/C that may or may not be happy about coming here.
- A downright offensive and defensive liability in Derek Fisher.
- Mr. too cool to play as gritty as I used to because my wife was on TV.

Not to mention we're opening up a major hole along the perimeter and completely depleting our bench (which happens to be the best bench in the NBA and a major strength of ours).

Overall, that is just a terrible trade proposal. Hollinger's analysis says it all.

lakersin4 · Post #255 » by **lakersin4** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:23 pm

Hm. It seems I'm higher on your team than you are lol. I think a core of Jrue, Turner, Gasol, Hawes, Brand, Meeks makes a deep playoff run & possibly even sees the finals.

If your doubts about Hawes are a major concern, I'd still think the deal is good enough for LA if we keep McBob & you keep Vuvevic. Would that get it done?

Kobblehead · Post #256 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:31 pm

Funny how all you could do was name 6 players in that core and included Jodie Meeks who averages less than 10 points a game. That's the point. Depth and youth are our strength and this trade completely destroys both.

KrazySixersD · Post #257 » by **KrazySixersD** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:33 pm

what do you mean? collins said turner is the PG moving forward and jrue is the SG...

now, jrue will probably play backup PG minutes a lot while turner is off the floor, which is fine, but turner is the PG now

Gsraider · Post #258 » by **Gsraider** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:55 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:what do you mean? collins said turner is the PG moving forward and jrue is the SG...

now, jrue will probably play backup PG minutes a lot while turner is off the floor, which is fine, but turner is the PG now

Did Collins say that? I thought he said that Turner was a PG and that the two of them would split duties in the backcourt, thus creating two combo guards that play both positions. You could be right mind you, but I thought I heard something else.

Kobblehead · Post #259 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:58 pm

Yeah, he never quite referred to Jrue as a SG. He just said he was good off the ball. He's going to use both at the PG spot interchangeably.

KrazySixersD · Post #260 » by **KrazySixersD** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:59 pm

naw check out his quotes or watch his presser... he said turner is a PG and will be the starting PG from here on out barring injury, and talked about how jrue played off the ball as the 2 guard in college and that will be more his role going forward.. he said he still wants to find a way to where jrue and iggy have the ball in their hands too, but he made it super clear that turner is the PG and will be having the ball in his hands a ton