Embiid Updates/Discussion

[GuyFawkes11]

Posting this again because looks like a lot of you haven't see it.

THIS IS NOT A SMOKESCREEN, no team would ever use their player like a pawn, it only would decrease his value around the league plus Joel's agent would have came out swinging denying the reports.

[the_process]

All I can say is..

SL is in question. But regular season is in play.

Until then.. Hinkie has done a great job for the team and Embiid was still the best pick last year be it no.1 pick or no.3 pick.

Embiid's injury is not that bad. It's just not healing as fast, there were no new injuries. There were no structural damage. There were some real good progress, thus the workouts and the between the legs.

Judge the injury when the season starts. Judge Hinkie when the rebuilding process is over.

cats pretending like they have inside info should be insta banned. Stuff like this brings this whole forums credibility down. This dude has no clue on the truth like the rest of us, but pretending like you have inside info is just pathetic.

Dude, what are you talking about? The report doesn't say Embiid reinjured anything, it just says it's not healed as much as they thought it would be. So how is that "pretending to have insider info"?

[HartfordWhalers]

It means you are a troll mod.

Yeah. No. Just to be clear -- absolutely no.

I realize this is a **** time of at best uncertainty, but be better than the posters on the general board that post stuff like:

hahahahahaha!!!

[Sixerscan]

I have two other problems with this "plan"

1) How are you going to pay everyone if it works? All these guys will be making big money at the same time.

2) When it comes time to pay some of these guys; how will you know what they're really worth if they have never produced in the playoffs?

Apparently the Cavs and Warriors have rosters full of guys making the league minimum...

This is a problem that every good team runs into, the smart ones figure it out. Hinkie's job isn't over once the team gets good. They aren't planning to just grab 10 guys and not make any roster moves for the next decade...

[the_process]

Posting this again because looks like a lot of you haven't see it.

THIS IS NOT A SMOKESCREEN, no team would ever use their player like a pawn, it only would decrease his value around the league plus Joel's agent would have came out swinging denying the reports.

Nowhere does it say Embiid is hurt, it's says his foot is not as healed as they thought it should be. Plus convenient timing.

[BarlesCharkley8]

I like Spike Eskin's theory that, "Hinkie needed to feed Woj something because Hinkie never gives Woj anything, doesn't play the "tit for tat" game that all the other GM's do with the media.".....Obviously, absolutely 0 evidence for this, but it will help me sleep at night.

To add to the conspiracy theory based on nothing....Woj's most recent follow on twitter - The Sixers Twitter account.

[42uptop]

Posting this again because looks like a lot of you haven't see it.

THIS IS NOT A SMOKESCREEN, no team would ever use their player like a pawn, it only would decrease his value around the league plus Joel's agent would have came out swinging denying the reports.

Nowhere does it say Embiid is hurt, it's says his foot is not as healed as they thought it should be. Plus convenient timing.

Regardless of the timing, the reporter has credibility when covering our team. Embiid's foot is definitely not healed yet and there is some concern. What's disappointing is watching a select few fans give up on a potentially elite player because of a report that is tellingly vague about how this affects his playing time.

[Ericb5]

Luck and hope are factors in anything you do, but those things are the foundation of this "plan"

That is actually the opposite of the truth and explains why you are against it. You simply don't understand the probabilities.

This plan is way more deterministic than the "keep your head above water" plan.

With our plan we maximize our chances of getting lucky. Under the Celtics or Kings plan you are completely dependent on the moon shot coming though because you are drafting so much lower.

Luck is part of everything, but in our plan we are hitting on a 12 in blackjack and under their plans they are hitting on 15. The chances of us finding a good card are way higher than theirs.




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Uhhh, you're right, I don't get it. This isn't blackjack or a stock or whatever other example you want to use....this is basketball. You talk about probabilities...and I know that the probability of Embiid being and staying healthy is low.

I have two other problems with this "plan"

1) How are you going to pay everyone if it works? All these guys will be making big money at the same time.

2) When it comes time to pay some of these guys; how will you know what they're really worth if they have never produced in the playoffs?

Let's boil this down to a simple statement that, if true supports my point, and if false supports yours.

The chance of Embiid flaming out due to injury, is LOWER than the chance of ANY of the alternate players that we could have obtained by following any number of the "win now" scenarios, that people like you advocate, EVER becoming a superstar.

Obviously he is far more likely to bust health wise than the alternative players, but he STILL has more superstar healthy career potential than all of them combined, simply because their superstar potential is so slim compared to his.

Your point about having to potentially pay for all of these guys some day is absurd. If any system were successful enough they would run into the same problem. It is a complete non issue.

The point about playoff experience is weird to me too. Playoff experience is a good thing for sure, but it also comes in short doses.

Playoffs teach you a lot in one year.





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[Kobblehead]

the reporter has credibility when covering our team.

Woj is to the NBA what Schefter is to the NFL. He doesn't cover any team. He just is well-sourced.

[42uptop]

the reporter has credibility when covering our team.

Woj is to the NBA what Schefter is to the NFL. He doesn't cover any team. He just is well-sourced.

I agree, which is why I don't believe this is an intentional leak to throw people off. Woj would not say this if there was any doubt.

[Hardcore6erFan]

It is delusionally optimistic that some of you guys think this is a smokescreen. You do realize the following people would have to be in on the conspiracy:
- Hinkie
- Sixers ownership
- Brett Brown
- Embiid
- Embiid's agent
- Embiid's family
- Dr. Richard Ferkel

The same people who think this could be a smokescreen are the same people who think this isn't the end of the world and Embiid will be fine. If Embiid can't heal properly in 12 months when the real healing time is 5-8 months then how can you expect him to play 82+ games a year for the next 10+ years? Be realistic people. There's a 90% chance Embiid is another Oden situation. I pray to god I'm wrong but I'm almost certain I'm not.

[Kobblehead]

I agree, which is why I don't believe this is an intentional leak to throw people off. Woj would not say this if there was any doubt.

I don't think anyone is accusing this as being disinformation. There is motive for something like this to come out, though. For instance, posturing for prospects.

Let's be real, it's not like the Sixers operate at full disclosure. So it's either Woj got wind of it and they reluctantly had to spill the beans or this is a strategic release of information.

[NYSixersFan]

1) When you draft a 7 footer with back problems in college and then a serious foot foot injury, the chances for a long healthy career are way less then 50%, IMO. So when you draft a player like that, you don't get the benefit of the doubt when he's hurt again.

2) Stop with the nonsense of "would rather have drafted Embiid or.....with the 3rd pick"? This is not baseball....you can trade down...you can trade for established players....I would not have drafted Embiid....I would have looked at other options....and I'm very confident there were many options available.

3) This so called plan involves two major factors...hope and luck....that's not a plan.

All rebuilds involve hope and luck. ALL of them.

Hinkie's plan does not avoid hope and luck, it just maximizes the odds.

The Sixers were drafting at 3 last year. Let's assume for the sake of argument that we traded back a few spots and selected Randle or Smart and then had the 6th or 7th pick again this year. That is a generous return on the 3rd pick.

Would Randle and Hezonja or Smart and Winslow be better to have than Embiid?

If he busts then obviously anything is better. The point thigh is that putting yourself in the position to get even a 50% chance at Olajuwon is worth way more than a bunch of really good prospects.

You and I disagree on this point obviously, but I think that the basketball universe is on my side. You take your shots at the great ones when you get a chance.

Also, a time like this is when people like you start crowing about what we have done wrong. We still don't know what the situation really is.




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Yes, I'd rather have Randle and Hezonja over a damaged Embiid.

[Unbreakable99]

It is delusionally optimistic that some of you guys think this is a smokescreen. You do realize the following people would have to be in on the conspiracy:
- Hinkie
- Sixers ownership
- Brett Brown
- Embiid
- Embiid's agent
- Embiid's family
- Dr. Richard Ferkel

The same people who think this could be a smokescreen are the same people who think this isn't the end of the world and Embiid will be fine. If Embiid can't heal properly in 12 months when the real healing time is 5-8 months then how can you expect him to play 82+ games a year for the next 10+ years? Be realistic people. There's a 90% chance Embiid is another Oden situation. I pray to god I'm wrong but I'm almost certain I'm not.

I agree that this isn't a smokescreen and something is really going on with Embiid but we still don't know all the details. This really may be a big deal and he could be out for another year but at the same time it may not be that big and he could play this year. No one has enough info either way to say if this is a major setback or not.

[NYSixersFan]

Uhhh, you're right, I don't get it. This isn't blackjack or a stock or whatever other example you want to use....this is basketball. You talk about probabilities...and I know that the probability of Embiid being and staying healthy is low.

I know the probability of you knowing anything about Embiid is low.

You haven't got a clue. Making up statistics is not going to get anyone to take your opinions seriously.

Really? I know Embiid has had serious injuries....that's all I need to know

[NYSixersFan]

That is actually the opposite of the truth and explains why you are against it. You simply don't understand the probabilities.

This plan is way more deterministic than the "keep your head above water" plan.

With our plan we maximize our chances of getting lucky. Under the Celtics or Kings plan you are completely dependent on the moon shot coming though because you are drafting so much lower.

Luck is part of everything, but in our plan we are hitting on a 12 in blackjack and under their plans they are hitting on 15. The chances of us finding a good card are way higher than theirs.




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Uhhh, you're right, I don't get it. This isn't blackjack or a stock or whatever other example you want to use....this is basketball. You talk about probabilities...and I know that the probability of Embiid being and staying healthy is low.

I have two other problems with this "plan"

1) How are you going to pay everyone if it works? All these guys will be making big money at the same time.

2) When it comes time to pay some of these guys; how will you know what they're really worth if they have never produced in the playoffs?

Let's boil this down to a simple statement that, if true supports my point, and if false supports yours.

The chance of Embiid flaming out due to injury, is LOWER than the chance of ANY of the alternate players that we could have obtained by following any number of the "win now" scenarios, that people like you advocate, EVER becoming a superstar.

Obviously he is far more likely to bust health wise than the alternative players, but he STILL has more superstar healthy career potential than all of them combined, simply because their superstar potential is so slim compared to his.

Your point about having to potentially pay for all of these guys some day is absurd. If any system were successful enough they would run into the same problem. It is a complete non issue.

The point about playoff experience is weird to me too. Playoff experience is a good thing for sure, but it also comes in short doses.

Playoffs teach you a lot in one year.



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Some of you are confusing "win now" with "win now and later". I'm not advocating bringing in a bunch of 30 year olds. Why can't we win now and later; while at the same time developing a winning culture and still having the cap flexibility to improve the roster?

Someone Please explain...

[NYSixersFan]

It is delusionally optimistic that some of you guys think this is a smokescreen. You do realize the following people would have to be in on the conspiracy:
- Hinkie
- Sixers ownership
- Brett Brown
- Embiid
- Embiid's agent
- Embiid's family
- Dr. Richard Ferkel

The same people who think this could be a smokescreen are the same people who think this isn't the end of the world and Embiid will be fine. If Embiid can't heal properly in 12 months when the real healing time is 5-8 months then how can you expect him to play 82+ games a year for the next 10+ years? Be realistic people. There's a 90% chance Embiid is another Oden situation. I pray to god I'm wrong but I'm almost certain I'm not.

I'm sure your statistical probability is about to be questioned by some on this forum.....I agree with you, although even I think 90% is too high....I'm more in the 75% range.

[the_process]

To all the Chicken Littles that inherently come with Philly:

Do you all understand the freaking out could be about something like they thought his foot would be 100% now but it's only 95%???

Do you all understand some times injuries don't ever fully heal but you can function normally anyway, even including playing pro sports?

Do you all understand all the posturing that takes place prior to a draft?

Did any of you see anywhere in that article reference that Embiid was being shut down from practicing or that he was going to miss any additional time?

Do you all understand the Sixers probably aren't going to be very good again next season even if Embiid is healthy all year?

So perhaps we could wait for something more tangible to freak out about than nothing, hmmm?

[TigerInYourTank]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JeffSkversky/status/610181246552047617[/tweet]

Apparently no second surgery necessary, so that is some good news, I think.

[SMH]

That is good news. Best news about this bad news (lol) is that Embiid felt no pain, now lets hope more positive news comes out.

With all that said, anyone who knows a lot about this injury and such, is it possible to think Embiid can play multiple healthy 82 game seasons or that's more so unlikely? I hope so but I don't know much about this injury besides Yao Ming lol.