If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most?

Lou_23 · Post #241 » by **Lou_23** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:58 am

Brandon Jennings in twitter the other day spoke about him

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FlightBrothers · Post #242 » by **FlightBrothers** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:52 am

Mik317 wrote:He burnt bridges across the league apparently....like he could be a deterrent to FAs and ****. A lot of players did not like what he did, Nick Young...the knucklehead loser he is...has a lot of friends across the league.

I think it will blow over in time..but it is a major blow on his rep at the moment.

He was teammates with Ben Simmons in high school so I don't think he could deter any free agents from coming here if our core of Russell, Embiid, Simmons is as good as we hope it can be.

I would jump on an opportunity to get him he is a great match in the backcourt for a Simmons/Embiid led team.

LloydFree · Post #243 » by **LloydFree** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:06 pm

FlightBrothers wrote:
Mik317 wrote:He burnt bridges across the league apparently....like he could be a deterrent to FAs and ****. A lot of players did not like what he did, Nick Young...the knucklehead loser he is...has a lot of friends across the league.

I think it will blow over in time..but it is a major blow on his rep at the moment.

He was teammates with Ben Simmons in high school so I don't think he could deter any free agents from coming here if our core of Russell, Embiid, Simmons is as good as we hope it can be.

I would jump on an opportunity to get him he is a great match in the backcourt for a Simmons/Embiid led team.

Russell went to HS with both Embiid and Ben Simmons, but Embiid transferred before Simmons got there, I believe.

Post #244 » by **Foshan** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:10 pm

If Noel has higher value around the league than Okafor, maybe something around Noel/Russell. Russell/RoCo could provide enough spacing to make Embiid/Okafor work underneath.
Russel-RoCo (Nik/FA lol)-Simmons-Okafor-Embiid

Arsenal · Post #245 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:21 pm

If we can get Russell basically for Okafor straight up then we need to do the deal. Whatever lingering effects re: snitchgate will be gone in another year when we are seriously looking at the FA market. Russell is just a better fit with our team.

I get that he struggled out of the gate last year, however when it was all said and done he put up decent numbers for a 19 year old guard in a tough situation (Kobe chucking nonstop), and he still has a ton of upside.

FlightBrothers · Post #246 » by **FlightBrothers** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:30 pm

LloydFree wrote:
FlightBrothers wrote:
Mik317 wrote:He burnt bridges across the league apparently....like he could be a deterrent to FAs and ****. A lot of players did not like what he did, Nick Young...the knucklehead loser he is...has a lot of friends across the league.

I think it will blow over in time..but it is a major blow on his rep at the moment.

He was teammates with Ben Simmons in high school so I don't think he could deter any free agents from coming here if our core of Russell, Embiid, Simmons is as good as we hope it can be.

I would jump on an opportunity to get him he is a great match in the backcourt for a Simmons/Embiid led team.

Russell went to HS with both Embiid and Ben Simmons, but Embiid transferred before Simmons got there, I believe.

Correct, which is why I don't worry about him and possibly being a deterrent to free agents with the core that we have.

ankle420breaker · Post #247 » by **ankle420breaker** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:32 pm

I'm not rushing to trade Okafor for Russell. Still not confident that Russell develops into anything special.

If we were to move Jah I'd rather trade for an established star (Wall, Butler, George), or roll the dice on Dunn or Murray.

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CeltsfaninDC · Post #248 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Looking forward to the Embiid / Noel tandem sending Okafor's shot back to the top of the key 3-5 times a night when we play Boston next year.

So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

Post #249 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:16 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Looking forward to the Embiid / Noel tandem sending Okafor's shot back to the top of the key 3-5 times a night when we play Boston next year.

So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

That's one fan's opinion, there are others that believe he is better than that...

CeltsfaninDC · Post #250 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:21 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Looking forward to the Embiid / Noel tandem sending Okafor's shot back to the top of the key 3-5 times a night when we play Boston next year.

So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

That's one fan's opinion, there are others that believe he is better than that...

I'm sure. As I read the threads here it becomes clear that of the 3 players generally Sixer fans are most willing to trade Okafor. Putting aside the silly arguments about where he'd go in this year's draft the value of him is lower than what you'd expect to get for Noel or Embiid based on ranking the three of them. If I'm Ainge and I know that, why would I trade the #3 for him when you desperately need that pick for Dunn? This may or may not go down, but I'm thinking if it does there is more coming back to the Cs than just Okafor. If you could get Butler with the #3 and a few players why would you trade for Okafor instead?

Negrodamus · Post #251 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:23 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Looking forward to the Embiid / Noel tandem sending Okafor's shot back to the top of the key 3-5 times a night when we play Boston next year.

So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

I think if Embiid is guarding Okafor one on one, Joel will be able to hold his ground. That's not to say Okafor would be ineffective, but even if he got the shot off, Noel is one of the better help defenders/shot blockers in the league. I don't think getting worked on defense would be exclusive to Okafor. Most teams would have issues scoring inside on us.

Arsenal · Post #252 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:25 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

That's one fan's opinion, there are others that believe he is better than that...

I'm sure. As I read the threads here it becomes clear that of the 3 players generally Sixer fans are most willing to trade Okafor. Putting aside the silly arguments about where he'd go in this year's draft the value of him is lower than what you'd expect to get for Noel or Embiid based on ranking the three of them. If I'm Ainge and I know that, why would I trade the #3 for him when you desperately need that pick for Dunn? This may or may not go down, but I'm thinking if it does there is more coming back to the Cs than just Okafor. If you could get Butler with the #3 and a few players why would you trade for Okafor instead?

Then go get Butler.

A big reason most want to trade Okafor is BECAUSE we think he has more trade value than Noel. Not because he has less trade value like you stated.

theo42 · Post #253 » by **theo42** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:29 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

That's one fan's opinion, there are others that believe he is better than that...

I'm sure. As I read the threads here it becomes clear that of the 3 players generally Sixer fans are most willing to trade Okafor. Putting aside the silly arguments about where he'd go in this year's draft the value of him is lower than what you'd expect to get for Noel or Embiid based on ranking the three of them. If I'm Ainge and I know that, why would I trade the #3 for him when you desperately need that pick for Dunn? This may or may not go down, but I'm thinking if it does there is more coming back to the Cs than just Okafor. If you could get Butler with the #3 and a few players why would you trade for Okafor instead?

I don't believe there is desperation to get Dunn. I think they like both Dunn and Murray.

Also, if you really think just three and a few players will get Butler...lol. It would be 3, next year's Nets Pick, Bradley and another player at a minimum.....

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #254 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:30 pm

Not sure if posted, not sure on source, I know it's been discussed, but I found this. We seem to like Kris Dunn quite a bit. Could just be the usual draft BS.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3227644/nba-trade-rumors-trade-talks-between-philadelphia-76ers-and-boston-celtics-are-underway/

Post #255 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:32 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:As I read the threads here it becomes clear that of the 3 players generally Sixer fans are most willing to trade Okafor. Putting aside the silly arguments about where he'd go in this year's draft the value of him is lower than what you'd expect to get for Noel or Embiid based on ranking the three of them. If I'm Ainge and I know that, why would I trade the #3 for him when you desperately need that pick for Dunn?

So - you're Ainge - you know that a contingent of fans on RealGM would prefer to trade Okafor as opposed to Noel or Embiid, that's what you're going to use as leverage? Fact of the matter is the Sixers are trading a big in an effort to get the most return for him, other GM's preferences determines who has more value and that seems to be Okafor (ignoring Chad Ford and based on team reports).

This may or may not go down, but I'm thinking if it does there is more coming back to the Cs than just Okafor.

I believe it, I don't trust Colangelo.

If you could get Butler with the #3 and a few players why would you trade for Okafor instead?

Because you can't get Butler for that?

BobThornton · Post #256 » by **BobThornton** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:34 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

That's one fan's opinion, there are others that believe he is better than that...

I'm sure. As I read the threads here it becomes clear that of the 3 players generally Sixer fans are most willing to trade Okafor. Putting aside the silly arguments about where he'd go in this year's draft the value of him is lower than what you'd expect to get for Noel or Embiid based on ranking the three of them. If I'm Ainge and I know that, why would I trade the #3 for him when you desperately need that pick for Dunn? This may or may not go down, but I'm thinking if it does there is more coming back to the Cs than just Okafor. If you could get Butler with the #3 and a few players why would you trade for Okafor instead?

Go to the Bulls board and run that trade by them. I'm sure they'd love it.

Post #257 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:55 pm

Love all these reports saying no one wants bostons crappy rotation players or picks.

LloydFree · Post #258 » by **LloydFree** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:08 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

That's one fan's opinion, there are others that believe he is better than that...

I'm sure. As I read the threads here it becomes clear that of the 3 players generally Sixer fans are most willing to trade Okafor. Putting aside the silly arguments about where he'd go in this year's draft the value of him is lower than what you'd expect to get for Noel or Embiid based on ranking the three of them. If I'm Ainge and I know that, why would I trade the #3 for him when you desperately need that pick for Dunn? This may or may not go down, but I'm thinking if it does there is more coming back to the Cs than just Okafor. If you could get Butler with the #3 and a few players why would you trade for Okafor instead?

If GMs listened to fans on Realgm, when making decisions, the Lakers would have Okafor right now.

But honestly, Ainge only has extreme leverage if there is somebody is offering something better for the pick. Otherwise he can: 1. take the best player, and create a logjam. 2. Take the better fit and wait for the player to develop.
Honestly, if Ainge is trading for Okafor, it's probably to create a package to get a star (Boogie maybe?)

Kobblehead · Post #259 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:17 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Looking forward to the Embiid / Noel tandem sending Okafor's shot back to the top of the key 3-5 times a night when we play Boston next year.

So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

I'm saying that Okafor is a below-the-rim player that gets his shot blocked 1.3 times per game right now. In going up against 2 elite rim protectors for 48 minutes, he's bound to get his shot sent at a higher frequency.

Kolkmania · Post #260 » by **Kolkmania** » Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:29 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Looking forward to the Embiid / Noel tandem sending Okafor's shot back to the top of the key 3-5 times a night when we play Boston next year.

So you're saying he's not that good? Why would the Cs trade for him for the #3 then?

I'm saying that Okafor is a below-the-rim player that gets his shot blocked 1.3 times per game right now. In going up against 2 elite rim protectors for 48 minutes, he's bound to get his shot sent at a higher frequency.

I don't really get that point and I hear it a lot, who cares if a shot gets blocked? I know it looks cool and stuff, but at the end of the day it is about efficiency. I'd rather get blocked 3 times a night and shoot 60% than get blocked 0.2 times per game and shoot 50%. Okafor has some major concerns with his poor rebounding and defensive rotations, but offensively he was very efficient.

Who would you take at 3 if the pick is obtained?