Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[OleSchool]

This can't be the best deal out there. I refuse to believe that it is.

It probably isn't but in BC's eyes it is, and since he's the GM his eyes are the only ones that matter

[Jstock12]

This can't be the best deal out there. I refuse to believe that it is.

I don't think it is. The problem though, is that Colangelo is a pretty impatient trader, doesn't like to wait around for a better value deal.

[agiaco]

Maybe someone is more in the know, but I have to imagine that Brett Brown is a factor in building the team as of now. BC has mentioned BB's involvement with building the roster and getting his insights.

Is Teague the kind of player that Brown would endorse trading for? He seems like a glorified Ish. Teague's numbers are not too impressive and he's a decent shooter at best; more of a volume scorer.

Personally I don't feel I overvalue Noel, but I do believe he is currently worth more to the team than what we may receive in return.


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[Arsenal]

I'll say this. If we had a commitment from Teague to extend for 4 more years at $15M/yr I would be fine with the deal. I just think that is very unrealistic with the bloated amount of cap room available throughout the league. If I was him I'd be looking for as close to $30M/yr as I could get, and he might get something close to that from some team out there.

[tk76]

Look at BC's track record with trades in TOR. This one would fit the profile.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/colanbr99x.html

[Ericb5]

The important thing here is that the risk of racing to the middle was very much lessened by winning the lottery.

We already HAVE(counting Simmons) the core players that are hard to find once you reach the middle.

So there is no artificial cap on our potential.

Plus with the Kings swap and the Lakers pick we don't need to be horrible next year to get a good pick or picks.

The only risk in a deal like this(assuming that Teague signs with us for reasonable money) is losing out on a better potential deal somewhere else.

Noel can't play the 4, and is behind Embiid. This is not a big loss, especially if it means that we are going to give it a shot with Okafor.

I would much rather do this deal than trade Okafor for Dunn or Murray.


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No it was not. Plenty of superstars get stuck in mediocrity and having a wealth of future assets does not somehow make squandering one now somehow okay or not to be worried about. Great potential can go to garbage in a millisecond, it has happened here before and a few years later you are trading Simmons for Jeff Hornacek, Andrew Lang and Tim Perry. Don't anyone kid yourselves that a bad GM can't screw up the first pick in the draft and a seeming wealth of riches everywhere else. 1986 people, look it up.

I was only 12 in 1986, but definitely DO remember that. I'm not saying that we are out of the woods. I'm just saying that the risk is lessened.

I was very afraid of us screwing this up when Hinkie Left, and Simmons was a long shot.

Now that we got him, and the Embiid situation is looking as good as it ever has, I'm feeling pretty good about things.

If a deal like this lets us hang on to Okafor, and significantly improves our guard play then I'm ok with it.

If BC starts trading future picks I'll be pissed then. Plus we don't even know the details of this trade, or if it is real.

As I said, if Teague is just a rental then this would be horrible. We need him to extend at a reasonable deal. I know the size of deals has changed, but he isn't a max player obviously.


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[Ericb5]

Attempting to come to in peace, but Teague could very well re-up in Philly.Not many teams will be looking for PG's after next year that can give him a starting gig, enough money, and potential to compete. If BC is making this move, he must believe Embiid will be fine, and is willing to keep Teague beyond next year.

I highly doubt Teague will need the max to stay. If it makes you feel better, you can keep Covington because I don't think he is that special of a player. Even coming off the bench.

I agree, but we CAN'T give up Noel for a rental. He would have to agree to an extension for me to feel comfortable about this.


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[Geaux_Hawks]

Attempting to come to in peace, but Teague could very well re-up in Philly.Not many teams will be looking for PG's after next year that can give him a starting gig, enough money, and potential to compete. If BC is making this move, he must believe Embiid will be fine, and is willing to keep Teague beyond next year.

I highly doubt Teague will need the max to stay. If it makes you feel better, you can keep Covington because I don't think he is that special of a player. Even coming off the bench.

I agree, but we CAN'T give up Noel for a rental. He would have to agree to an extension for me to feel comfortable about this.


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I think this deal only happens if Teague is willing to stick around.

[Ericb5]

The important thing here is that the risk of racing to the middle was very much lessened by winning the lottery.

We already HAVE(counting Simmons) the core players that are hard to find once you reach the middle.

So there is no artificial cap on our potential.

Plus with the Kings swap and the Lakers pick we don't need to be horrible next year to get a good pick or picks.

The only risk in a deal like this(assuming that Teague signs with us for reasonable money) is losing out on a better potential deal somewhere else.

Noel can't play the 4, and is behind Embiid. This is not a big loss, especially if it means that we are going to give it a shot with Okafor.

I would much rather do this deal than trade Okafor for Dunn or Murray.


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We are not even sure if Embiid can actually play. How can you say Noel is behind Biid?

Noel isn't close to the player that Embiid is as long as he is healthy, and I think things are looking good in that area.

I understand that there is risk, but I'm also assuming that this would mean that we keep Okafor.




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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

This is a trade that makes sense, but only if Teague is on board for a few more seasons. Assuming we do this and draft Simmons, I go in to next season feeling very good about BCs first move. Teague is good value for Noel in my opinion, but that's just me.

[Stanford]

Look at BC's track record with trades in TOR. This one would fit the profile.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/colanbr99x.html

Love this stuff. I forgot all about Nate Jawai. What a terrible trade.

Good lord he was awful.

[marcush]

Attempting to come to in peace, but Teague could very well re-up in Philly.Not many teams will be looking for PG's after next year that can give him a starting gig, enough money, and potential to compete. If BC is making this move, he must believe Embiid will be fine, and is willing to keep Teague beyond next year.

I highly doubt Teague will need the max to stay. If it makes you feel better, you can keep Covington because I don't think he is that special of a player. Even coming off the bench.

I agree, but we CAN'T give up Noel for a rental. He would have to agree to an extension for me to feel comfortable about this.


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I think this deal only happens if Teague is willing to stick around.

Don't underestimate Bryan's stupidity.

[Ericb5]

I agree, but we CAN'T give up Noel for a rental. He would have to agree to an extension for me to feel comfortable about this.


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I think this deal only happens if Teague is willing to stick around.

Don't underestimate Bryan's stupidity.

If he trades Noel for a rental he IS stupid. I can only hope that he wouldn't do that.


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[GimmeDat]

Outsiders perspective - bad deal. He's a rental and his age doesn't fit your success window. I can see Colangelo doing it though. Especially if you guys are throwing in Stauskas and Covington, as per wiretap, you'd be getting fleeced.

I can only speak for the Bulls, but we would immediately offer you a combination of McDermott/Portis/Felicio/#14/Kings pick etc. for Noel.

[Stanford]

If he trades Noel for a rental he IS stupid.

Don't forget Bob. Bob's in there too.

[tk76]

Look at BC's track record with trades in TOR. This one would fit the profile.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/colanbr99x.html

Love this stuff. I forgot all about Nate Jawai. What a terrible trade.

Good lord he was awful.

Giving up multiple 1sts so that you can cycle through broken down 30 year olds: J. O'Neill->Marion->Hedo until your star forces his way out of town very much reminds me of the Kukoc->Coleman->Van Horn->Big Dog->CWebb wasted years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/kingbi99x.html

[tk76]

Look at BC's track record with trades in TOR. This one would fit the profile.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/colanbr99x.html

Love this stuff. I forgot all about Nate Jawai. What a terrible trade.

Good lord he was awful.

Giving up multiple 1sts so that you can cycle through broken down 30 year olds: J. O'Neill->Marion->Hedo until your star forces his way out of town very much reminds me of the Kukoc->Coleman->Van Horn->Big Dog->CWebb wasted years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/kingbi99x.html

[tk76]

Outsiders perspective - bad deal. He's a rental and his age doesn't fit your success window. I can see Colangelo doing it though. Especially if you guys are throwing in Stauskas and Covington, as per wiretap, you'd be getting fleeced.

I can only speak for the Bulls, but we would immediately offer you a combination of McDermott/Portis/Felicio/#14/Kings pick etc. for Noel.

Bryan Colangelo is sitting on a gold mine of assets and has a track record of short-sighted moves. If I were an NBA GM I'd have BC on speed dial before the fire sale is over.

[GimmeDat]

Outsiders perspective - bad deal. He's a rental and his age doesn't fit your success window. I can see Colangelo doing it though. Especially if you guys are throwing in Stauskas and Covington, as per wiretap, you'd be getting fleeced.

I can only speak for the Bulls, but we would immediately offer you a combination of McDermott/Portis/Felicio/#14/Kings pick etc. for Noel.

Bryan Colangelo is sitting on a gold mine of assets and has a track record of short-sighted moves. If I were an NBA GM I'd have BC on speed dial before the fire sale is over.

What was the consensus among you guys on the Hinkie firing?

Personally, I think it sucks and happened at the worst possible time. You're just starting to put the pieces together and hopefully get a healthy Embiid, then Colangelo comes around with a totally different gameplan.

[Skates]

Teague will not extend his current contract for Atlanta or Philadelphia. He makes a fairly tame salary this year at about $8 million and in any kind of extension scenario his possible raises under the extension would be very limited. Unless he is hiding an injury, then playing out his deal and signing a new deal at more dollars and years is by far his best option. Hence, no extension deal will be in place and it would be a rental to the extent that he will hit FA next summer. Since he is not the caliber of player that Bird rights should matter we could just as easily wait till next summer and overpay him then without sending two (really two??) young assets to the Hawks.

It would be a great move for Atlanta getting an elite defensive center and at lest one cost controlled year of Covington to play the Demarre Carroll/Kent Bazemore role. Milsap is a nice compliment with Noel up front and if they keep Horfird they have a hellaciously good three man big rotation.